Pep Guardiola: Premier League not more intense than La Liga, Bundesliga
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
It was about 3AM on the phone and I calculated their ages based on year born rather than exact birthday date as wiki didn't have player ages for that season. It wasn't deliberate but regardless it doesn't really change what we all know, that the team was in desperate need of rejuvenation and a lot even blame SAF for leaving a team in that state.
There are a lot of rehashed arguments to justify that Pep is world class so I'm not going to reply to them all again but I will just list out the main points of my arguments to make them easier to find later in Pep's fraudulent career.
He didn't build that Barca team. It was all Rijkard who built it around Ronaldinho who's style would also fit Messi so the team would hit the ground running whenever they replaced each other rather than suffer transition. Its ludicrous to think that Pep inherited a subpar team and made them world class immediately. The team suffered later in Rijkards tenure because of Ronaldinho's problems with his fitness attributed to his loss of interest in football.
It is argued by United fans that Benitez too is a fraud that his success at Valencia and elsewhere is attributed to the hard work that managers before him put in to build the teams so why not the same assesment of Pep?
He took a treble winning Bayern team with the only objective to win the Champions League again and he was humiliated by Barca and Real in the first two seasons and dumped in the third out by Atletico who on paper has no right ro do so. The world class master tactician beaten by three Spanish teams which he would have known so well and would have a good knowledge on how to plan against them.
Now at City where he doesn't have the best team and player in the world to hide behind, where he doesn't have a team miles better than the closest rival to hide behind, he is being exposed for the mediocre manager that he truly is. And you know what, I will go out on a limb here to say that the way things are going at the end of the season City might finda dogfight with Arsenal and maybe even Spurs for the top 4, I would bet against City to miss out everytime.
He has done phenomenally well to create a circus around him despite having done in my opinion nothing to truly deserve it. And as a final point regarding Tata Martino who someone mentioned didn't do as well as the other two inexperienced successors because he didn't fit the Barca style of play, I'd like to tell you what absolute rubbish that is. Tata missed out on the league by 3 points and this was not because he didn't play the Barcelona way but because Messi suffered Hamatring and muscle tear injury problems that season and was out for around 3 months total. He went from circa 45 goal seasons the previous years to scoring just 28 goals in the league and circa 60 goals total to just 41. It was his lowest scoring season by some distance since he first broke into the team. This was the downside of Tatas season.
I can truly accept the facts, Pep did win all those trophies but I cannot accept that he was somehow the instrumental genius that made it all happen and that it wouldn't happen without him. It was Messi and the best team in the world that made it happen and it would have happened anyway whoever was at the helm.
I will revisit this later in the year however much I'll be ridiculed for making my own assesmet rather than going with the mainstream consensus.
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But he just won...
Hope for his sake he doesn't loose soon..
Hope for his sake he doesn't loose soon..
Those interviews had me actually laughing out loud 
Don't get in his presser afterwards why the guy on his left was reading out Pep's quotes about City probably been his last club, and him coming to the end of his career, then Pep just leapt up and ran out of the room.
All a bit odd from him today, but they do say all geniuses are slightly unhinged.
All a bit odd from him today, but they do say all geniuses are slightly unhinged.
His post match presser is a bit wonky too.
Early signs of him not being able to deal with the pressure? English press are brutal.
His post match presser is a bit wonky too.
Early signs of him not being able to deal with the pressure? English press are brutal.
Why does he keep bringing up the fact his team has more of the possession in response to the questions about the red cards? Am I missing something?
Cokenose is having another meltdown then?
Remind me of this scene for some reason.
he can have a right moan at times. People complain about Jose's antics but Pep is equally bad.I ask myself the same thing, what are we missing here and why is he acting like a tool?
His post match presser is a bit wonky too.
Early signs of him not being able to deal with the pressure? English press are brutal.
The best thing is, they've done feck all to him, certainly in comparison to the witch hunt Jose had when the likes of Jermaine fecking Jenas was saying Jose was left behind by Klopp and Poch.
If he's this antsy when things haven't even been cranked to barely room temperature, I dread to see what would happen if he actually had to deal with a proper press agenda.
To borrow a parlance from the hideous alt-right, Pep Guardiola: the delicate little snowflake of English football.
he's saying the rules state in the 6 yard box the goalkeeper cant be touched? This is one of the things he's steaming about
His post match presser is a bit wonky too.
Early signs of him not being able to deal with the pressure? English press are brutal.
I think he's just getting mega frustrated with his players not being able to play his style of football the way he wants them to, and with it the stress it's causing him week in week out scraping through games that in his mind a team of his would be winning easily, and it's difficult to shed this a couple of minutes after full time in time for a press conference.
His post match presser is a bit wonky too.
Early signs of him not being able to deal with the pressure? English press are brutal.
Wow, I would seriously be worried if that was Mourinho.
He looks worn, disillusioned and just plain tired.
Also seemingly not very impressed with their fans, he has called them out on numerous occasions now.
Looks like a crazed man posting a YouTube video from his doomsday prepper underground basement.
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I've always been a massive Pep fan. I loved his Barca and Bayern sides and the way they played football. However, it does seem Guardiola is under intense pressure and it looks like it's stemming from the fact that his tiki-taka type of football isn't working in England. The game is so different and the tempo so fast that he's struggling to adapt. Consequently City are having to play the old Pellegrini way and they're suffering because of it. It'll be interesting to see if Pep is able to adapt enough in order to get success out of this side.
Pep is taking these red cards as a slight on his style. It's ridiculous.
"I have to understand the rules here in England"
This guy is so full of shit it's hilarious
This guy is so full of shit it's hilarious
Lol he must of given two sarcy post match interviews one to Sky and one to BBC, said similar to both but can't decide which one was more awkward.
This rule is no longer. Not on the continent either
He looked like hes cracking on MOTD just now
Said it before (albeit only a few weeks ago) but we dodged a bullet not getting him.
Not only does he seem a bit deranged and unlikable be he looks like he hates working in England and with his comments about retiring soon and his NYC sabbatical I wonder how much he cares about being a manager in general.
Not only does he seem a bit deranged and unlikable be he looks like he hates working in England and with his comments about retiring soon and his NYC sabbatical I wonder how much he cares about being a manager in general.
The rule doesn't say you can't touch the gk in the 6yard box. It says he must be given a clear path at the ball. If the attacker is standing still in the six yard box, and the gk smashes into him, it's not a foul. If the striker takes half a step and causes contact, even minimal, then it's a foul
At the very least it's fair to say this: Pep is weird. Something seems to have gone amiss with him. He doesn't want to be at City, I don't even know if he wants to be in England.
It's definitely cocaine.
It's definitely cocaine.
Pep's Barcelona and Bayern sides would regularly humiliate the best English sides in the Champions League. Tempo has nothing to do with it. City just doesn't have the quality in the midfield to play Pep's game.
Pep's old teams (Barcelona and bayern), usually played the big teams from England, those who open the game and try to play. He's not struggling with his style against the same sides in the pl, the play is more physical, the teams sit back more, defend better and counter attack quickly. So, using a few confrontations in the CL against English sides isn't a valid counter-argument for the one made by @MataFanatic
Lucky there's a league mini break for him, looks close to breaking from the pressure. Their next three are tough, also.
He's in Italy
LvG took his wig off?
"I have to understand the rules here in England"
This guy is so full of shit it's hilarious
Nah, I think it's unfair to say he's full of shit. English referees allow more physicality than the officials in other countries and it sounds like the penny is dropping that he needs to adapt to the shit teams getting away with more.
Spot on. Absolutely overrated and now being shown up for what he is - an above average coach (not the genius some believe him to be by any stretch of the imagination).
"I have to understand the rules here in England"
This guy is so full of shit it's hilarious
He's right about that. It's like two different sports watching a game in England and a game in Portugal or Spain. Especially the goalkeeper fouls, which is what he's complaining about. The rulebook says you can't touch the keeper in the six yard box, yet that rule isn't followed in England.
I still remember arguing about Sol Campbell's disallowed last minute winner vs Portugal in the Euro 2004 quarters with a few english men who had no idea what they were talking about.
Why were they so good first ten games then?
His style of play in Barcelona would succeed in England too if he had the same kind of quality. He takes a lot of risks keeping possession in dangerous areas but it's a lot easier for Kolarov or Fernando to missplace a pass than Pique or Busquets. And even when it works (which is still a lot of times) and they manage to get pass the first stage of the opponent's pressure they still don't have the same kind of quality to create chances like Barça did. This City team would struggle in Spain too. And his Barça team would streamroll in England too.
Aye and there's a rule in Spain that when you have more possession players on your team can't be sent off either.
Can you find this explicit rule in the Uefa or Fifa rulebook, got a feeling that it's an unwritten rule that is commonly applied in Europe and has never been applied here. I mean if a keeper can punch someone in the head I think it's fair that he should be able to be challenged in the air.