As is your comment. You are being entirely subjective.
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As is your comment. You are being entirely subjective.
This. Elvis would've never happened. He cited in many interviews that early country music acts like the Louvin Brothers and The Carter Family sculpted him at a young age. All of you muppets dismissing country music haven't any idea what true country music is or the influence it had. Without Elvis, no Beatles as John and Paul stated on numerous occasions or rock & roll as we know it. And let's not forget that Johnny Cash is widely regarded as one of the most influential songwriters of all time.
I would think it would be somewhat insulting to say to a coldplay or travis fan that they were less passionate about music because they listen to these bands.
I, personally don't like either of those bands, but i would feel like an exceptionally massive sized cnut if i went up to people and said that just because i listen to August Burns Red or Bon Iver that i was more passionate about music than what they are.
Meh alot of people's gripes with rap hiphop is because they cant relate or that they talk about their 'bling and bitches' well if you saw where some of these people came from you would see why they are quick to talk about these things
america?
what you didnt noe there are parts of America that are worse than places in Africa?
Im talkin abject poverty, no housing jobs or even prospects. Then you find that your good at putting words together and people are gonna pay you for that. Me personally I would go nuts as well
Im talkin abject poverty, no housing jobs or even prospects. Then you find that your good at putting words together and people are gonna pay you for that. Me personally I would go nuts as well
Horseshit.
Let me use some one you are familiar with lets say Dr Dre. Do you know what the prospects or expectancy is for a young black/latino male in inner city Cali, with guns drugs its not very good esp back in his time where bloods and crips were still really banging.
feck outta here I would be pouring champagne on bitches too if i got away from that shit
feck outta here I would be pouring champagne on bitches too if i got away from that shit
That's one thing, but more important (as touched upon by those below rightly defending country music) is that you can't possibly be put off hiphop because of talk of bitches and bling, because there's so much hiphop that's not at all about that. This is usually how it goes though, people judge a whole genre to be worthless because they didn't like the miniscule spectre of it they've come across.
People judging a genre they don't really know display a rather annoying combination of naivity, arrogance and laziness.
there are different forms of rap conscious rap alternate rap for instance Lupe fiasco who doesn't tend to get involved in all that but of these people who think like that how many of them actually take time to realise this diversity?
I dont think they actually care rather they prefer to wallow in their ignorance
I dont think they actually care rather they prefer to wallow in their ignorance
You're right in general. But I'll say this one thing as I'm really not arsed to get into a discussion over hip hop...
Hip hop is not a genre. R & B is a genre. Hip hop is a just a retarded stepchild of R & B which has offered lots and lots of music, very little of it good. It's ridiculously adolescent. But as we as a people seem to be getting ever dumber in the States, it's caught on right and proper.
Something like that. Are you limiting hip hop to Eminem, Snoop Dogg and 50 Cent? And do you sincerely consider hip hop to be a mere sub-genre of rhythm n blues?
What makes is extra moronic is that he just defended country against the similar sort of moronic statements.
This is why I couldn't be arsed.
Yes and yes. But you tell me why I'm off base if so.
EDIT: Not Death Row Records... But NWA, Death Row Records and such are what I limit hip hop to...
I don't get you to be honest.
You seem all to willing to tell others where they are going wrong in their summations of Country music, but then as soon as someone challenges you with a genre of music that you don't particularly like/have little knowledge of you then revert to the type of comments that were being spouted about country.
All the more frustrating is that you obviously have a very in-depth knowledge of music but just can't seem to not be a complete pompous arse about it.
Seriously? Because it's dead wrong. (Especially your first 'yes'.) Go back a page and listen to the songs posted by pillory. Hip hop is a rich and varied genre, and not to be judged by its representatives on the charts alone. And if you honestly think it plausible that Chuck Berry and cLOUDDEAD belong in the same genre, then I'm pretty certain you're not open for any form of rational argument.
Comparing hip hop to country music is ridiculous. Country music has been around for 3/4 of a century and had far stretching affects on pop music. Hip hop is merely a trend. What has it created?... Trip hop? Come on. It'd be one thing to say I know nothing of it if I actually knew nothing of it. I've delved into it. I've measured it. It's ridiculous. Predictable and adolescent. What more is there to say? Honestly, it is what it is.
I would defy you to listen to such songs like Iron Galaxy by Cannibal Ox and then not want to delve deeper into the genre.
Good (actual) hip-hop isn't that hard to find, just like anything else, you have to delve past all the shit that is put right in-front of you.
Would you like it if someone dismissed the whole country genre by only listening to Dance The Night Away by The Mavericks or Achy Breaky Heart.
It was meant to be a joke.
You're off base again. Neither the Mavericks nor Billy Ray were there at the beginning of country music. You must remember that middle of last century, actual popular music was the heartbeat of any genre. Sure, there were 'underground' acts which didn't receive as much acclaim like the Louvin Brothers. But popular country music in its first couple of decades was clad with the likes of Cash, Jennings, Nelson, Haggard and Lewis. The fact that some no-talent shit stains are making a buck off of the way paved by these a half century later means nothing other than there are stupid people out there.
No one is disputing this.
What is being disputed is your throw-away remarks about hip hop calling it predictable and adolescent.
Where as there are many acts in the hip hop world that are anything but.
I would urge you to really delve into it, it can be quite rewarding when you find the right group/artist.
So JCurr's argument amounts to something like
P1. Country is a good genre
P2. Country is a really old genre
P3. Hip hop is a young (sub-)genre
C. Hip hop is shit
P1. Country is a good genre
P2. Country is a really old genre
P3. Hip hop is a young (sub-)genre
C. Hip hop is shit
Can't be arsed. Exit stage left...
You're booed off for your weak and humourless performance.
Best post. I agree.
The mainstream part of it is usually predictable, as with any other genre, but there are almost no limits to what you can do with hip hop. As long as you have a beat and someone rapping, you can squeeze virtually anything into it. And that's not purely theoretical, lots of people actually do it.
Early hip hop was top. In fact I thought it was an excellent genre up until the early-mid 90's.
loved that record ( 79 was it? )
Its not just hip-hop in all fairness. Many artists that sound OK in the car, on a Ipod, or a cheap stereo start to sound progressively worse when you get better equipment. Many followers of hip-hop love to get sub woofers in cars but most music is recorded with two channels. I put my AMP to pure direct, which removes all the equalization and plays the music as it was recorded, and it uses two speakers not the nine available to it.
BTW - listened to all your links and a couple were OK, the others were garbage.
Now that i can agree with to an extent. The early stuff was a lot better, maybe not "top", but definitely better.
Which ones were not garbage?
The subwoofer doesn't constitute an extra channel as such, it just reproduces the bits from the actual channels that are too low pitched for standard satellite speakers to play (this is why it's '5.1 surround sound', and not '6 surround sound'). So the practice of using a sub isn't a particularly bad thing.
A lot of music won't have a whole lot going on at the low frequencies that a sub plays, but most forms of contemporary dance music use electronic instruments which produce frequencies at that low a range by design, so really without a sub in a car stereo system you're not getting the full picture with this type of music.
Do you know how low the frequency range of your system in pure direct mode goes?
Listened to the all a little longer. For the most part its garbage. The following four were OK on my piss poor laptop even though it has a sub. My guess is they would sound absolutely awful on my main hifi.
That Ain't Right ~ Non Prophets
Deltron 3030 - 3030
MF Grimm - American Hunger (Breakfast)
Dälek - Eyes to form shadows
That Ain't Right ~ Non Prophets
Deltron 3030 - 3030
MF Grimm - American Hunger (Breakfast)
Dälek - Eyes to form shadows
there is good rap/hiphop from new to 1970s - the only difference now is that there is a whole load of 'hip pop' shite that dilutes the quality of hiphop as a genre
but there is still plenty of good stuff coming out all the time - you just have to look past the modern bling and bitches crap
but there is still plenty of good stuff coming out all the time - you just have to look past the modern bling and bitches crap
All the pure direct does is take the sound off the CD, and pass it through the AMP to the speakers without altering it. The front speakers are 22Hz - 27kHz, so they reproduce nearly everything the human ear can pick up.
The only thing my sub gets used for is TV sound tracks. Also have a sub in the car put the door speakers give me enough base.
That's a pretty wide range
those front speakers must be pretty big! What kind of system do you have, if you don't mind me asking?Going back to the original discussion, I'm not a big fan of hip hop either, to be honest. I used have no appreciation for dance/electronic music styles whatsoever, but after hanging around with people who listened to it a lot for a few years I learned to appreciate it a little more. I find you need to consider it a little differently to how you would a song with lyrics, verses, choruses and guitars.
Cool, I've never seen anyone call Digable Planets garbage before. (But I'm pleased you didn't hate the Dälek track. It's one of my favourite riffs ever.)
Receiver: Yamaha RX-V3900
Centre: JBL HTI55 (wall)
2 x Front: Polk LS/15
2 x Front Outer: JBL IS6 (wall)
Sub: Polk DWS Pro 500
2 X Rear: JBL SS8C (ceiling)
2 X Rear Outer: JBL SS8C (ceiling)
TV: Toshiba 65" DLP
CD/DVD: Samsung (need to switch to blueray soon)
The two outer fronts are a Yamaha gimmick. They take a little of the front channel and lift the focus of the sound because you mount them 6 feet up the wall. That is very useful when you have your centre speaker mounted below the TV like me. When you watch TV the vocals seem to be coming from the centre of the screen instead of below the TV.
Centre: JBL HTI55 (wall)
2 x Front: Polk LS/15
2 x Front Outer: JBL IS6 (wall)
Sub: Polk DWS Pro 500
2 X Rear: JBL SS8C (ceiling)
2 X Rear Outer: JBL SS8C (ceiling)
TV: Toshiba 65" DLP
CD/DVD: Samsung (need to switch to blueray soon)
The two outer fronts are a Yamaha gimmick. They take a little of the front channel and lift the focus of the sound because you mount them 6 feet up the wall. That is very useful when you have your centre speaker mounted below the TV like me. When you watch TV the vocals seem to be coming from the centre of the screen instead of below the TV.