That refers to third party ownership of the player, not the image rights.
Paulo Dybala
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That refers to third party ownership of the player, not the image rights.
I think we need Spurs to quickly realise Dybala is unrealistic so they can go and get Bruno or Coutinho, freeing up Eriksen to join us.
Fee agrees with Spurs? Blimey
The cynic in me thinks that maybe the coutinho/dybala links are being deliberately put out there so levy & the club can go 'look, we tried!' when the window ends.
Neither seem realistic or attainable targets, nor in line with our transfer strategy.
Neither seem realistic or attainable targets, nor in line with our transfer strategy.
This last week aside, Spurs have had stronger links to Dybala all Summer and it seems he’s only been a real consideration for United this last week. So I wonder if United actually pulled the pin on the Dybala talks not because of his images rights or salary demands, but rather because Levy threw a spanner in the works and made it known to us that he’d facilitate a deal for Eriksen. A player who Ole actually thinks is a better fit for the team. It’s too convenient that the Eriksen-to-United links spike after we’d agreed a deal in principle with Juve for Dybala. I reckon Dybala to Spurs, Eriksen to United, Lukaku to Inter is a good bet. Juve get their cash, Spurs get a good return for Eriksen and a top replacement in Dybala and United get rid of Lukaku and Eriksen gets his payday. Everyone walks away happy.
As it stands, i think Dybala is probably only a target for oil rich clubs, or clubs that have serious disposable income, who can buy out the image rights and provide him with a huge whack of cash in the process.
That pretty much limits you to clubs like PSG, City etc. We could probably do it ourselves at United, but it's not economically viable in the long run, and i think Ed is trying to, finally, move us away from the image of a club that will pay whatever it takes
Can't be that, Woodward has the patent on that move.
Levy will either die or lose an eye before doing us any favor, so I don't think this is remotely possible. We should pursue with Juventus and force them to either convince Dybala and everyone involved in his entourage, or move on and deal with Inter to shift out Lukaku.
You'd make an excellent United supporter with those kind of conspiracy theories
The fee with Juventus is the easy part, we had that sorted too. It's getting the agent fees and image rights sorted. Not an easy transfer, as great a player he is. Even though I think Eriksen is the better player, I think we could do with a Dybala type player more. We simply don't have enough goal scorers.
My head hurts.
He scored 22 in the league the season before not even as a striker. Having all attacks focused on Ronaldo last season didn't help. He was still the second highest scorer tied with Mandzukic.
Juventus want to sell Dybala. Then they will buy Federico Chiesa to play as new right winger. Chiesa has everything. Hard worker, fast, creative and skillful + a high will to win and last of all no mood player.
Chiesa is 21. In 2-3 years time he will be at club of Juventus or above.
United want to get Dybala. Linked with Eriksen and Savic. But believe me. Go for Chiesa and the combination Chiesa, Bruno and Sancho
Rashford 21
Chiesa 21
Sancho 19
Martial 23
James 21
Longstaff 21
McTom 22
Bissaka 21
Greenwood 17
Bruno the most experience at 24
You see the red line and the age of those?A dominate and really good team about 3-5 years. Right time to take over Liverpool dominance.
Bring them together and let them gel together. When Salah, Van Dijk career are soon over. Behind Liverpool and City now. But be above them about 3-5 years. Aim on that. Be the team to taking over after Liverpool dominance period the next 3-5 years.
About that time them. Those players i recommendations will be at theirs peak. Be smart and think longterm. Dont buy players at Salah and Van Dijk age. 26-27. Max like Bruno at 24.
So again. About 3-5 years will tell. Buy a Eriksen at 26 or Chiesa from Fiorentina at 21 would be smarter. I accept Liverpool strength, so i better build a team that will be better than them about 3-5 years. Then really good attacking players in Chiesa, Sancho, Bruno and Longstaff at 21 fit the bill for me.
Bissaka - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
Sancho - Bruno - Longstaff/McTom - Chiesa/James
Martial/Chiesa - Rashford/Greenwood
Top 4 each season with this line up/combinations and relations.
Believe me and this project. With short and long term goal.
Short term : top 4 each season
Long term : premier league title about 4 - 6 years. Be patience. They are all young. But they current football level are really high and consistent. Let them gel and build a brotherhood of a team. I can promise. Really good attacking football. Them together as a unit, collective and team. Too fast and skillful for premier league.
Chiesa is 21. In 2-3 years time he will be at club of Juventus or above.
United want to get Dybala. Linked with Eriksen and Savic. But believe me. Go for Chiesa and the combination Chiesa, Bruno and Sancho
Rashford 21
Chiesa 21
Sancho 19
Martial 23
James 21
Longstaff 21
McTom 22
Bissaka 21
Greenwood 17
Bruno the most experience at 24
You see the red line and the age of those?A dominate and really good team about 3-5 years. Right time to take over Liverpool dominance.
Bring them together and let them gel together. When Salah, Van Dijk career are soon over. Behind Liverpool and City now. But be above them about 3-5 years. Aim on that. Be the team to taking over after Liverpool dominance period the next 3-5 years.
About that time them. Those players i recommendations will be at theirs peak. Be smart and think longterm. Dont buy players at Salah and Van Dijk age. 26-27. Max like Bruno at 24.
So again. About 3-5 years will tell. Buy a Eriksen at 26 or Chiesa from Fiorentina at 21 would be smarter. I accept Liverpool strength, so i better build a team that will be better than them about 3-5 years. Then really good attacking players in Chiesa, Sancho, Bruno and Longstaff at 21 fit the bill for me.
Bissaka - Lindelof - Maguire - Shaw
Sancho - Bruno - Longstaff/McTom - Chiesa/James
Martial/Chiesa - Rashford/Greenwood
Top 4 each season with this line up/combinations and relations.
Believe me and this project. With short and long term goal.
Short term : top 4 each season
Long term : premier league title about 4 - 6 years. Be patience. They are all young. But they current football level are really high and consistent. Let them gel and build a brotherhood of a team. I can promise. Really good attacking football. Them together as a unit, collective and team. Too fast and skillful for premier league.
You'd make an excellent United supporter with those kind of conspiracy theories
Haha, maybe it's a wild theory .. but it seems odd to me that we're suddenly prepared to genuinely negotiate with a player who United decided was too expensive, and Levy is also prepared to go in for a player on loan for a 23 million fee and god knows how much in wages. It just seems absurd and the people running the club can be tight but they're not idiots, they know when they're wasting their time.
Shit, maybe I'll be wrong and we'll pull it out of the bag, in which case I'll be fecking buzzing. But it's all just a bit weird and out of nowhere, we spend the entire window chasing Lo Celso and haggling over the price to the point where Betis tell us to feck off, and now we're prepared to stick up the nearly 70m for Dybala and god knows how much else in wages/signing on fees etc.
If we’re paying 50-60 mil + for Christian Eriksen when he can sign a pre-transfer agreement with a non English club in January and Spurs get zero return on him then I think he’d see it as us doing him the favour. Besides, if Spurs replace him with Dybala on a long-term deal then they’d be better-off anyway. “The Jewel” will produce for Poch sadly enough. And I’m quite sure that Poch would also back his squad with Dybala to finish higher in the premier league table than United’s with Eriksen.
There’s a very grey line here. This was specifically about the 3rd party ownership of a player, for instance to whom a fee was to be paid when a player transferring from club A to B, if the club A did not actually ‘own’ the player. Quite rightly this was stamped out as it could lead to players being moved around without his clubs consent for the benefit of his ‘owners’. I’m not certain that this extends to Image Rights. If it doesn’t, which seems likely given Dybala’s situation, then it should be stamped out too.
This is like the second, third (?) time I've seen you post this essay about Chiesa. As great as your ted talk is, we don't really decide who the club is interested in, unfortunately. Considering there isn't a single link to Chiesa, doesn't seem that's going to be happening unfortunately chief.
Doesn't this refer to 3rd party ownership of the player (and thus any transfer fee that's paid for them), rather than the player's image rights?
I really can’t see spurs paying the fee for him, the wages and this supposed 3rd party image rights buy out of 15mil.
Levy loves copying transfer strategies. I remember back when our scouting network was basically 'what player are liverpool after?'
Doesn't always lead to great results .. in that case it meant Gylfi and Dempsey.
I think your theory is bang on, as a Utd fan I'm qualified to spot it at 100 yards.
Not a chance in hell Spurs are paying the wages either of them will be looking for.
In Dybalas case, I get the sense that his financial arrangements are such a mess that its the reason we wanted no part of it, can't see that being resolved in 24 hours even if Levy was prepared to meet the wage demands.
Correct. See my post 2 above (of your original reply)
Yeah, I see it as a kind of half-hearted, limp attempt to go for a player which will get the fans excited about 'ambition' when the club really know there is little to no chance of the deal going through.
If this all ends with us signing nobody then I hope the fans see it for exactly what it is.
I don't get why so many people think that Pochettino would be some kind of clincher. Would a top English player be falling over themselves to join a particular team because they were managed by David Batty?
I don't think there's a chance in hell you sign either Dybala or Coutinho.
But the real questions will arise if Levy sells Eriksen without a replacement.
Surely there'd be open revolt?
Don’t think you’ll end up signing nobody. Really think Dybala is out of your scope, and ours. Poch will demand more though given last couple of windows. You are still in the hunt for Lo Celso, Bruno and Coutinho loan. Think you’ll almost certainly get one, most likely two imo.
His record of improving players is pretty exemplary.
There would. Don't think he could get away with that.
If we sell Eriksen I imagine we'll bring in lo celso or fernandes as a replacement before the window closes.
Which basically means whoever wants to buy Eriksen would need to hurry the feck up, because there's not long enough left to sort all that and no chance in hell are we going to be left a player down.
Honestly I think the most likely end to the window is Dybala rejects our personal terms straight up (shock), the Coutinho rumours turn out to be a load of old nonsense (shock) and we end up signing Sessegnon for 30mish whilst keeping Eriksen, eventually losing him on a free.
The levels of arrogance on this thread and the Caf generally is astonishing.
IF, and it’s a big if that Spurs get Dybala, I’m not going to be overly surprised that he chose Spurs over Utd.
Here’s reasons not to come here:
• Pretty average team with little immediate chance of success
• Playing in Europa League
• Fans protest at the owners and want them out
• Solksjaer has little to no pull as a manager or managerial cache
• Striker is in Belgium rather than returning
• Team has “toxic” influence in the dressing room
• Little to no game changing signings in this window
• Maybe one (DDG) world class player
• Managerial merry-go round
• No clear recruitment strategy
Take out all the United legacy/history bullshit, which I don’t believe players buy into anyway, and there’s little attractive about the club right now.
The only thing we offer is money, and surprisingly, there’s more to life than that.
Spurs on the other hand have a better manager, finished top 4, are based in London, have a new stadium, were in the CL final and have far better players in a team that has a footballing identity and plays much better football.
He may not go there, but take off the rise-tinted glasses you lot.
IF, and it’s a big if that Spurs get Dybala, I’m not going to be overly surprised that he chose Spurs over Utd.
Here’s reasons not to come here:
• Pretty average team with little immediate chance of success
• Playing in Europa League
• Fans protest at the owners and want them out
• Solksjaer has little to no pull as a manager or managerial cache
• Striker is in Belgium rather than returning
• Team has “toxic” influence in the dressing room
• Little to no game changing signings in this window
• Maybe one (DDG) world class player
• Managerial merry-go round
• No clear recruitment strategy
Take out all the United legacy/history bullshit, which I don’t believe players buy into anyway, and there’s little attractive about the club right now.
The only thing we offer is money, and surprisingly, there’s more to life than that.
Spurs on the other hand have a better manager, finished top 4, are based in London, have a new stadium, were in the CL final and have far better players in a team that has a footballing identity and plays much better football.
He may not go there, but take off the rise-tinted glasses you lot.
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I'm talking about the suggested extra appeal of him being Argentine. As if Harry Kane would have some special extra attraction for a club because they were managed by Dennis Wise.
Spurs have a ceiling. If Poch goes that ship goes down pretty quickly. We are one of the biggest clubs in the world and we always will be. It's like comparing Valencia to Real Madrid. They have a better team than us right now, that won't last forever.
Are you a United fan?
Your response just proves my point. Liverpool were massive and look what happened to them. Still no PL title but arguably now their best team in 20 years.
Football careers are short. Players don’t think “Utd are shit now but they’ll be back in 5 years.”
Football is moving beyond us. Squad is poor, we’re not an attractive proposition and aren’t going to spend the huge money on the players we really need.
I can’t even see the recruitment strategy at play aside from “buy some young players.”
We’re the opposite of how well run City are and they have the best manager. We offer money, little else, as I’ve said.
Good one!
Since the 80s. You’ll prob be happier if I act the muppet and just throw on the blinkers.....
Sad state of affairs.
No because with the level of finance we have it is literally impossible for us to fall into that type of mediocrity. We will remain relevant because we are the most important cog in English football, whether rival fans want to admit that or not. We have had a terrible run so far, it'll probably take a few more seasons to get back to anything like competent but we will get there and we certainly won't spend another 15 years in the wilderness. Just my opinion.
Spurs cant beat us to the signing, we are out and wont come back. Juve are whoring him around. Spurs now or PSG later
“Literally impossible” - listen to what you’re saying! We ARE that type of mediocrity. We’re smack bang in the middle of it.
We’re so far off the pace of a club like City and how slick that club is run top to bottom.
If you’re not in CL, your style of football is shit and you’re not only not attracting big names, but actually losing them, finances will falter. It’s basic business.
Something big needs to change.
Well you certainly countered it in an articulate way. Good work.
Most players don't really care about any of this. Dybala would be training with united right now had we offered the money he wanted.
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