I'd take Dybala, but I also want us to bring in players that want to play for us. If Pogba wants out, he should hand in a transfer request (I can't recall if he ever did that?). And we can't give away players just because they want out. But we can opt not to bring in players that don't want in. That should be a golden rule on every transfer...
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It took us a week to establish he didn't want us
We are the only club that doesn't tap players up or use intermediaries apparently
Give this man a medal.
The sanctimonious nature of supporters never ceases to amaze me. I’m all for critiquing players but in the same breath i understand they’re hired hands. People want players to show loyalty whilst thinking the abuse Pogba received walking down the tunnel at OT at the end of the season is acceptable.
I was shot down for claiming wanting Pogba to leave was stupid but this is the exact reason why you try to keep hold of such a player & build.
We are in no position to discard top players, when other top players would not be coming in to replace them.
Well I would say that it is you who doesn't want to accept that he would only be joining for money and would try to justify his wage demands. The club is doing the right thing here.
But he doesn’t want to play for Utd.
He tell you that did he?
I was joking too.
Let's see what tomorrow brings lads, my cock whilst flaccid isn't tucked away just yet.
Juve offered us Dybala as part of a swap!
How are we getting the blame for this? Are we supposed to know Juve would come in with this?
Hey Dubala, in case Juve offer you in a swap what wages would you like?..
The sad fact is, i bet a few players here don't really want to play for United and just want the cash.
I don't think Pogba does or Sanchez, Lukaku doesn't either. Wouldn't surprise me if De Gea was swayed into staying by a huge pay rise too.
Sad fact is, players are now motivated by money. A player who says they'd die for the club would be swayed by a huge contract offer from elsewhere. Players like Scholes and Giggs etc just aren't that common anymore.
Surely the Di Maria/Sanchez and to some extent Pogba scenarios ring alarm bells with those promoting that we continue trying to recruit players (world class or not) who mainly want to be here for the big payday. Pogba puts in a shift when he can be bothered whilst obviously distracted by his next big potential move. These massive cash deals also put intense pressure on the players.
Liverpool/Tottenham's strategy of recruiting good quality players with potential for improvement who are eager to join the clubs seems to have worked slightly better i would argue.. Give me a Salah or Mane over a Dybala any day.
Liverpool/Tottenham's strategy of recruiting good quality players with potential for improvement who are eager to join the clubs seems to have worked slightly better i would argue.. Give me a Salah or Mane over a Dybala any day.
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(Scholes and Giggs wouldn't have played for the club if they weren't paid top tier wages)
Every top play that goes to a top club asks for big money typically. It's not like players sign for big clubs and lower their demands. I think it's bs. Dybala isn't the end of the world, but what's important is what we do in the next week.....if we sign no one else? Then in my opinion, we're not being sensible or smart. It's easy to believe rumors but many peoples reasoning is based purely on rumors. This threads full of people bringing up Di Maria etc. It's complete nonsense. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this, especially with Lukakus future up in the air. I would hate us to deal with Inter.
I thought Scholes turned down offers away from the club to remain here due to him genuinely loving the club?
Every player in the world wants to get paid.
Messi's been at Barcelona his entire career, 'loves' Barcelona and yet he asks for an extension every 2 years with a pay raise.
Players loving clubs and not wanting to get paid is pure fiction.
What did he tell you about his wage demands?
Still i don’t understand why Dybala doesn’t want to play in EPL? It’s the most competitive league, perhaps the one which is the hardest to win. Isn’t it a challenge for a good footballer to play in the most competitive league and to prove his worth?
The issue is that pretty much everything in this is nonsensical. Footballers are professionals, they literally play the game for money and it has been the case since the beginning of professional football. No player will "die" for a club, players will leave you if you don't pay them enough or match their competitive ambitions and sometimes they will want both at the same time and always had.
As for Scholes and Giggs, they were employed by the most successful club in the PL and the richest club too who paid them handsomely, it would have been a different story if they were from Sunderland's academy.
He didn't say that. It was made up either by italian journos or fans, because they hate the EPL.
Don't think this is over just yet, there has been a lot invested in this deal already from both sides to just collapse over agent's commission and wages. Think this is a briefing to put pressure on the agent to accept the deal.
Footballers lack drive and will to win.
I wasn’t specifically talking about dybala, was more about the profile of the players we should be chasing
Glad that we are not pulling another 'Sanchez'. Throwing money at everything is not the solution.
No, those who lack are not footballers. They are usually being referred to as “professionals”
That's just football and counts all clubs.
Imagine how last 15 years would be different if City and Chelsea were buying only players who wanted to be there.
Or maybe Aguero, Silva, Hazard, Drogba, Mourinho all had childhood dreams to sign for City/Chelsea?
But it is not important. I will repeat it. This story is BS. Ed doesn't want to pay and we became laughing stock. Again!
Or maybe Aguero, Silva, Hazard, Drogba, Mourinho all had childhood dreams to sign for City/Chelsea?
But it is not important. I will repeat it. This story is BS. Ed doesn't want to pay and we became laughing stock. Again!
I can understand that.
So basically the whole "Getting players who want to play for the club" is kinda a moot point then? Seeing as you can sign someone who says they want to play for the club, then in a season or two, they get their heads turned by elsewhere and they want to leave for more money?
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I was using the figures that you provided to make my point. Which obviously went over your head because you're now arguing semantics.
This is the end of this discussion, it's not the thread for it.
Oh well, at least Lingard and Jones want to be here. And they don't even think about leaving
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I was using the figures that you provided to make my point. Which obviously went over your head because you're now arguing semantics.
This is the end of this discussion, it's not the thread for it.
The thing is we have tried that with AdM, Sanchez and others. Didn't work out for us. We can't keep taking gambles like this anymore.
Like i said. Federico Chiesa is the versatility attacking free cam United shall get, not Dybala. Nothing in person against Dybala. From a objective point of view. And i start to value hard work and mentality abilities more and higher, beside top football skills. The full packet as a football player is most important. It include mental character. You get have it in your head too. How you will handle when it goes really tough. A hard work and winning head is important.
Buy Chiesa from Fiorentina before the transfer. He can play everywhere in the attacking. Left, right or as a free cam.
And will strengthen the RW position and cam option.
He is aggressive and good in high press football too.
His current level is really high and he is only 21. Compare to Dybala who is 25. Would cost lesser than Dybala and you will have more years in Chiesa.
Darmian from Italy is here, so it will help Chiesa to settle down in Manchester. And i can promise and guarantee Chiesa will make immediately impact. He will no need of time to adapt to premier league. Chiesa has same hard work and never say die attitude as Rashford. True quality and consistent mood will not need time to adapt.
Buy Chiesa before Juventus or other big clubs get him. Its just a matter of time big clubs will value his football quality and abilities really high.
And in the end. I have no relation to Chiesa. But his talent, abilities, include mentality. Clearly as day, belong to a top club in the future. My best recommendation to a free cam or a versatile attacking player, who you can place everywhere. Because you will know and 100% sure what you will get from this boy.
The price around Pepe, 60-70 mill £ shall be the right price for this boy. And if some clubs like Inter can pay 60 -70 for Lukaku. Then Lukaku out and Chiesa in. Will be a really good situation for United. Chiesa who will covered all the attacking positions. United will go into the season alot stronger in the attack.
And beside Maguire and Chiesa. Get Bruno too. United chance for top 3 will rise alot more.
A transfer window with James, Bissaka, Maguire, Chiesa and Bruno is a really good t.window
Pontential line up in a 4411 or you can call it a 4231 formation :
Bissaka/Darmian - Lindelof/Smalling - Maguire/Jones - Shaw/Young
Chiesa/Lingard/Mata - McTom/Matic/Fred/Mensah - Pogba/Bruno/Perreira - Martial/James/Sanchez
Free cam/nr.10 : Bruno/Chiesa
Rashford/Greenwood/Martial
There you have. Really good double covered all over the line.
And adding Sancho next summer. You will be really close to a really really good football team. Hard work + top skills + winning mentality, all in one team. Sum of that. Of you mixed all the most ideal ingredients = naturally sum and result of it. Get to be really good. In others words. Result you will be satisfy.
Top wheels, top engine, other top units and a top driver = result of it = a top car with a top driver.
A football team is like a car. There are different units. Will you get a top car. If the engine is really good, but with poor wheels?
With a football. If you get top defend and good attack, but with a poor cm. You will reduce to potential of a football team. And i am sure Sancho, Chiesa and Bruno are really close to the top level in theirs best position/units, as a part of a whole unit, a full packet of a car.
Football is part of life. Like others things in life. Special in a teamwork. You need top quality in every place, to rise the potential of a team.
Puyol, Xavi and Iniesta retired. It reduce the max potential of the car Barcelona alot. Naturally Barcelona have to struggle and they did. Same with Real Madrid. Ronaldo left and if Bale left too. RM struggle last season.
So i have been advice, recommendation and guide enough. The principal of the relations of putting different units together, to get a bigger unit. A bigger picture. Those players are mine recommendations and I believe they are ideals players and units/ingredients to make and build a really good football team in the future. And i think i have recommended long and enough on redcafe. So in the end. I will let United have they own fate.
I think there were reasons why the class of 92 were born and playing for United. Same with Cantona and Ronaldo. So everything happen for a reason. Just Let it be. What will come, will come. Ole and United coaching staff might have a different taste on players than me. So again. Different taste, choices and different path. Your own fate.
But the recipe of success will always be the same. Ingredients like top skills, top hard work mentality, luck and things like that. So again i think have share mine thoughts enough about those things, as a free consultant for United and others peoples/clubs on here. So like Cantona. Au revoir for this time.
Buy Chiesa from Fiorentina before the transfer. He can play everywhere in the attacking. Left, right or as a free cam.
And will strengthen the RW position and cam option.
He is aggressive and good in high press football too.
His current level is really high and he is only 21. Compare to Dybala who is 25. Would cost lesser than Dybala and you will have more years in Chiesa.
Darmian from Italy is here, so it will help Chiesa to settle down in Manchester. And i can promise and guarantee Chiesa will make immediately impact. He will no need of time to adapt to premier league. Chiesa has same hard work and never say die attitude as Rashford. True quality and consistent mood will not need time to adapt.
Buy Chiesa before Juventus or other big clubs get him. Its just a matter of time big clubs will value his football quality and abilities really high.
And in the end. I have no relation to Chiesa. But his talent, abilities, include mentality. Clearly as day, belong to a top club in the future. My best recommendation to a free cam or a versatile attacking player, who you can place everywhere. Because you will know and 100% sure what you will get from this boy.
The price around Pepe, 60-70 mill £ shall be the right price for this boy. And if some clubs like Inter can pay 60 -70 for Lukaku. Then Lukaku out and Chiesa in. Will be a really good situation for United. Chiesa who will covered all the attacking positions. United will go into the season alot stronger in the attack.
And beside Maguire and Chiesa. Get Bruno too. United chance for top 3 will rise alot more.
A transfer window with James, Bissaka, Maguire, Chiesa and Bruno is a really good t.window
Pontential line up in a 4411 or you can call it a 4231 formation :
Bissaka/Darmian - Lindelof/Smalling - Maguire/Jones - Shaw/Young
Chiesa/Lingard/Mata - McTom/Matic/Fred/Mensah - Pogba/Bruno/Perreira - Martial/James/Sanchez
Free cam/nr.10 : Bruno/Chiesa
Rashford/Greenwood/Martial
There you have. Really good double covered all over the line.
And adding Sancho next summer. You will be really close to a really really good football team. Hard work + top skills + winning mentality, all in one team. Sum of that. Of you mixed all the most ideal ingredients = naturally sum and result of it. Get to be really good. In others words. Result you will be satisfy.
Top wheels, top engine, other top units and a top driver = result of it = a top car with a top driver.
A football team is like a car. There are different units. Will you get a top car. If the engine is really good, but with poor wheels?
With a football. If you get top defend and good attack, but with a poor cm. You will reduce to potential of a football team. And i am sure Sancho, Chiesa and Bruno are really close to the top level in theirs best position/units, as a part of a whole unit, a full packet of a car.
Football is part of life. Like others things in life. Special in a teamwork. You need top quality in every place, to rise the potential of a team.
Puyol, Xavi and Iniesta retired. It reduce the max potential of the car Barcelona alot. Naturally Barcelona have to struggle and they did. Same with Real Madrid. Ronaldo left and if Bale left too. RM struggle last season.
So i have been advice, recommendation and guide enough. The principal of the relations of putting different units together, to get a bigger unit. A bigger picture. Those players are mine recommendations and I believe they are ideals players and units/ingredients to make and build a really good football team in the future. And i think i have recommended long and enough on redcafe. So in the end. I will let United have they own fate.
I think there were reasons why the class of 92 were born and playing for United. Same with Cantona and Ronaldo. So everything happen for a reason. Just Let it be. What will come, will come. Ole and United coaching staff might have a different taste on players than me. So again. Different taste, choices and different path. Your own fate.
But the recipe of success will always be the same. Ingredients like top skills, top hard work mentality, luck and things like that. So again i think have share mine thoughts enough about those things, as a free consultant for United and others peoples/clubs on here. So like Cantona. Au revoir for this time.
Chiesa is my number one target also. Would be absolutely perfect for us!
Of course it's moot, it's a stupid thing that clubs who are failing to be competitively attractive say to save face. It's fairly simple, if it was professionally possible most players would stay near home, it used to be the case a long time ago and for example South American players were rare in Europe because local teams and competitions were as attractive. Also the premise of your second question are wrong because money is rarely a big motivator for players since they will roughly earn the same money in other clubs, it's almost always a combination of competitiveness, money and location. Otherwise most top players would be in the Gulf, China or Russia.
shall? you know something huh?
As I said previously, don't want players at Utd that don't want to be at Utd. The consistent message has been he wants to stay at Juve, so just keep well away from him.
The brain? What does that mean? Is that some kind of threat? I still don’t get the image...
A bad joke from the guy.
It's a Godfather quote
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