Paulo Dybala

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Dybala is an amazing player. I dont get how when he was dangled right under our noses last season when he ripped us apart people still doubt, while clinging onto Mata.

Hes more than twice the player Mata ever was.
 
not an enormous fan of Dybala but could honestly see him alongside James, in front of Pogba, Matic or Mctominay, feeding Rashford/Martial.
 
Total luxury player. Think he'd flop in the PL.
 
Ole seemed to favour the false 9 / split strikers formation until Lingard fell away.
He would instantly bring a new dimension to that position.
 
Eric's Seagull said:
I fear if we get the cash it won't be invested fully back into the team.
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The Glazers are leveraging loans against the club anyway so not sure it makes much difference. They'll take what they want whether we like it or not.
 
sherrinford said:
Consistently? He obviously did well there. What kind of set up - formation, kind of players around him?
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If I remember well it was a 3-5-2 formation with Vazquez playing in a deeper role to Dybala. Sarri think that Dybala can play as a false 9 (like Mertens) or as a left sided inside forward. However, I think, that he'll end up sold. The big elephant in the room is Ronaldo who wasn't a work horse with us let alone now that he's near to his mid 30s. Someone like Ronaldo need a prime Rooney around him, someone whose got the physique of a bull and who works like a mule. There's no one with those characteristics whose as good as Rooney was. Lukaku might do the trick.
 
Not a chance in hell we sign Paulo Dybala. Why would he leave Juventus and come to us. Painful to say it but why would he want to join this mess at the moment. I am sure he doesn't want to be fighting for fourth instead of titles.
 
Adam-Utd said:
The Glazers are leveraging loans against the club anyway so not sure it makes much difference. They'll take what they want whether we like it or not.
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I agree with that which I think is quite sad as I'm a firm believer that whatever we make in the transfers should go back in but the Glazer's are just in it for the money and although I don't like it, they are entitled to do whatever they want with the money we get from transfers:(
 
reddevil80 said:
not an enormous fan of Dybala but could honestly see him alongside James, in front of Pogba, Matic or Mctominay, feeding Rashford/Martial.
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Yeah I feel this. I'm worried he's a poor mans Aguero in terms of less speed and less on the ball strength. Also, I think to bring in a player with no real desire to be here shows we really haven't changed our strategy. Countering this, I don't see any obvious striker options reasonably attainable. I'd actually pump for Vardy for a season (and spend the Lukaku money on the right-wing) as his speed would really open spaces for the others. I'm hoping a season from now Greenwood might be ready to step up?
 
Eric's Seagull said:
That could well be true and that is what I have been saying for a while regarding our purchasing of players and not being able to sell them on if they are not successful. I don't know if Dybala is greedy but if he comes here he may see how much wages our other players are on and think he wants to be paid similarly which I think could be the case whenever we sign a talented player. Eg he could look at Martial being on £250,000 week which I have read and think he wants at least that, which I think is a mistake by Woody for paying such high wages in the first place.
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Thats exactly the problem, we have a ever growing list of players, like Martial that are on wages that mean selling them is basically impossible.

If Dybala wanted that kind of wages, then I don't think signing him is a good move, the guy has obviously got talent, but he hasn't progressed into the great many though he would, he still flashes of greatness but is pretty inconsistent and at 25 already isn't likely to dramatically improve much more. So for me bringing him in and putting him on a wage that would mean he couldn't be sold on if he didn't work out would be a mistake.
 
spaceboyRSA said:
I often wonder how badly the sanchez deal screwed us with other players. Effectively on the salary of top first team players and hes on the bench...
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we handed the biggest contract in premier league history to a winger coming up to 30, and I remember most people seemed to think it was a bargain and shouted at us few you thought it would likely end badly.

Worse bit is we arn't learning fro that mistake, we are still offering players contracts that mean they are basically unsellable.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Unless we plan on using a 3 man midfield with Gomes as the CDM playmaker, he would definitely take up an attacking slot Gomes could use.
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Dybala has “Mata and Lingard to be disposed off” written all over him. Gomes doesn’t yet have a place to lose, but it wouldn’t do him any harm to be a back up to Dybala this season
 
Slysi17 said:
Not a chance in hell we sign Paulo Dybala. Why would he leave Juventus and come to us. Painful to say it but why would he want to join this mess at the moment. I am sure he doesn't want to be fighting for fourth instead of titles.
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Some players don't like sitting on the bench
 
Alemar said:
Dybala has “Mata and Lingard to be disposed off” written all over him. Gomes doesn’t yet have a place to lose, but it wouldn’t do him any harm to be a back up to Dybala this season
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Mata has just been given a 3 year contract and Lingard is one of Ole's favourites. They're going nowhere soon.
 
I’m sceptical about having him here, but you can’t really turn down a swap deal of him for fecking Lukaku.

It depends on our budget. If we really do need to sell to finance Bruno and Maguire, I.e priority signings then I’d rather we took the money and gave Mata and Gomes a chance at number 10.
 
We should be bringing in players that have been targeted for a specific position for how Solskjaer wants to play. If he's it then fine but i can't see why we need another number 10 myself, especially with the defensively weak Pogba behind him. His highlight video above of loads of sideways and backwards passes is very Mata esque.
 
Nr.7 said:
Yes, he could. Like I said, I’m not sure.
He is a quality player, but is he suited to thrive in the PL and in a team that Ole is trying to build?
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If he doesn’t suit Ole tactics, he will ask Woodward to accept cash from Inter, easy as that. But certainly he will suit tactics, as any manage adapts tactics to strength in his squad
 
JJ12 said:
Some players don't like sitting on the bench
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Yeah that's true. He would pretty much be a main starter. I just can't see Paulo Dybala wanting to play for Manchester United. Just have the feeling of why would a top player want to join us after the past six years. I don't know. Just my feeling. Have a feeling it would be another Angel Di Maria situation if we signed him.
 
Will have him over Lukaku any day of the week. He is technically superb and has an unbelievable left foot.
 
The main question for me is if he really wants to play for us which is always going to be a doubt in a part exchange deal.

If he was motivated to play for us and has the right character he will obviously improve us.

My other doubt is that this would be another example of our squad being shaped by picking up what’s available from the big clubs rather than us working to a blueprint.

We have been down this road with Falcao, Di Maria etc and ended up with horribly unbalanced squads and players that don’t fit into the way the manager wants to play.

If this deal happened and you believe we are still working on the other deals the papers are talking about then we would potentially end up with Dybala, Mata, Lingard, Pogba, Gomes and Bruno Fernandes as central attacking options whilst still having very limited options in the midfield engine room and in the wide areas if we want to play a system with more width.

Ideally, if we got Dybala you would shape the team and squad to get the best of him and Pogba but there is very little time left in the window and we’ve just handed Mata a new contract.
 
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Nytram Shakes said:
Thats exactly the problem, we have a ever growing list of players, like Martial that are on wages that mean selling them is basically impossible.

If Dybala wanted that kind of wages, then I don't think signing him is a good move, the guy has obviously got talent, but he hasn't progressed into the great many though he would, he still flashes of greatness but is pretty inconsistent and at 25 already isn't likely to dramatically improve much more. So for me bringing him in and putting him on a wage that would mean he couldn't be sold on if he didn't work out would be a mistake.
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When any player is 25 they are approaching their prime and you would expect to see consistency in their performances. I agree on your part in bold and that is a risk now with every signing they are all going to want wages similar to the players already here and could just become another piece of deadwood, which would be extremely hard to shift.
 
Seems like the consensus is that a Lukaku for Dybala swap would represent good to excellent value as a transaction (similar to the Mhiki for Sanchez pre-swap conversation iirc) but again it looks like we’re trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. This is why a DoF is an essential addition to the club’s infrastructure. The fact that this thread is replete with any number of suggestions of how formations and roles would have to change to fit in a shinny new toy, screams of a lack of vision.

City picks up Rodri, no one is suggesting they need to move to a new formation; Greiz goes to Barca, hardly a peep about changes to structure.

Let’s not make a swap that represents value, make a swap if it fits the structure and philosophy of the club.
 
Slysi17 said:
Yeah that's true. He would pretty much be a main starter. I just can't see Paulo Dybala wanting to play for Manchester United.
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Look at it this way: he is told that he is not wanted/surplus to requirements and will sit on the bench at Juventus (for whatever reasons). Not the best way to spend his prime years. Now he's got an alternative - to join a famous club and be an undisputable starter there and one of only 2 or 3 star players (one of whom is a goalkeeper, so it's just Dybala or him and Pogba as outfield stars). Definitely such an option is better for his career - and certainly he will also be paid handsomely at United.
 
Feck me, have we got a transfer strategy or not? This is so random and potentially creating more problems than it solves. Have we not learnt from the Sanchez deal or the guy who came from Real just cause we offered more than PSG....
 
Jeppers7 said:
Jesus :lol: how highly do you rate Lukaku ? He scored 12 league goals last year. 16 the year before.
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No I just think players like Dybala are a dime a dozen, the game is littered with skillful players who play in a few attacking positions but are inconsistent.
Where as decent strikers even at Lukaku's level are really hard to find in world football at the moment.

I also think Inter are more desperate for a deal to be done and want Lukaku far more then we want Dybala.
 
Litch said:
Feck me, have we got a transfer strategy or not? This is so random and potentially creating more problems than it solves. Have we not learnt from the Sanchez deal or the guy who came from Real just cause we offered more than PSG....
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This is what worries me. He isn’t a player we’ve been chasing all summer, we’d have to fit him around our plans. I’d rather we just stuck to our targets and built a team greater than the sum of its parts. Signing Dybala would contradict everything we’ve heard and seen from Ole so far.

That said, he’s a good player we don’t seem to be doing feck all else.
 
2 man midfield said:
This is what worries me. He isn’t a player we’ve been chasing all summer, we’d have to fit him around our plans. I’d rather we just stuck to our targets and built a team greater than the sum of its parts. Signing Dybala would contradict everything we’ve heard and seen from Ole so far.

That said, he’s a good player we don’t seem to be doing feck all else.
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Agree. Smells of desperation and why would one of Pogs mates want to come, when he's trying his best to leave? I'd like to hear that phone call between them....
 
Litch said:
Feck me, have we got a transfer strategy or not? This is so random and potentially creating more problems than it solves. Have we not learnt from the Sanchez deal or the guy who came from Real just cause we offered more than PSG....
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What has Dybala being offered to us got to do with our transfer strategy?
 
ivaldo said:
What has Dybala being offered to us got to do with our transfer strategy?
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He's assuming rumours are true, which is the baseline for RedCafe. They even blast United for ideas they haven't even thought.
 
Jacob said:
He's assuming rumours are true, which is the baseline for RedCafe. They even blast United for ideas they haven't even thought.
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Even if the rumours are true, being offered a player wouldn't be part of our strategy, it would be part of Juves. Crazy.
 
What is going on here on Caf? Firstly many people say that Lukaku doesn’t fit the team and should be disposed of at any price, and then, after we are offered Dybala in exchange, they start looking for reasons not to accept?
 
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