At 23 Scholes was not fetching £40m. His style at the time was compatible to Aaron Ramsey just making that second striker to midfielder transition.
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At 23 Scholes was not fetching £40m. His style at the time was compatible to Aaron Ramsey just making that second striker to midfielder transition.
I was more referring to tweets saying Barca bid somewhere in the region of 80 million Euros for him
I do remember reading here (not this thread, on caf), a theory that Perez is not exactly fond of black players and it is unlikely that he will spend world record money on one. Can anybody back/refute the theory and tell me more about it?
Apologies I didn't get a lot of sleep last night
Ronaldo won it at United. Pogba will do the same.
Arsenal would be the no answer of more money in the games to be spent by club.
Re £100million and inflating the market nonsense, it's all our fault fyi
Probably for a separate thread, but step 5 should mention broadcasters (Sky) not just paying more, but being hoodwinked by their competition (BT) and significantly overpaying. Then the chart can continue to when the next broadcasting deal happens and broadcasters choose not to massively overpay again, reducing the amount of revenue available to clubs. I think this broadcasting deal has the potential to lead to the bursting of the Premier League bubble.
That was related to Makelele shipped out when asking for a raise to be on par with the other Galacticos. But I don't think it's justified. Ronaldo (Brazilian) was not exactly white...
I can't embed Tweets yet, but i'll just copy/paste what he said for you.
"Ok, Thursday's L'Equipe published an interview with Pogba, he'd spoken to Damien Degorre. Today's article is credited to 'H.De (avec D.D.)'."
"Meaning DD helped out, who it has be assumed is Damien Degorre, suggesting this may be as well sourced as it gets."
Ya I searched and seems it was coming from agent who gave Makelele and Eto'o as examples but insisted Perez wasn't racist. I guess if Pogba is marketable enough in Perez's eyes, he will go for him.
This can't be true (Liverpool part). Benteke, Balotelli, Andy Carroll... disagreed.Re £100million and inflating the market nonsense, it's all our fault fyi
Thank you. Good source, but Pogba would need to tell Juve he wants to leave if we were to get any traction. Him telling his friends doesn't really help move the transfer forward (we already knew he'd come to us if we offered him the big wage packet anyway)..
It was Casillas' agent last year, Santos Marquez who hit out at Perez saying he doesn't like black players, but strangely enough said he didn't think he was a racist.
Marquez represented Makelele who of course was shunted out of Madrid for non footballing reasons (but so was Di Maria), and Eto'o who he believes should have been great as a galactico.
It's pretty baseless in all honesty.
The United board are not fools neither is Mourinho. From a business perspect, United are a business, you set yourself specific targets and you set certain budgets to achieve those targets. In United's case on the football side of things the main goal is winning the league, minimum expectations champions league qualification (3rd), 4th you have to qualify still. Now you use those budgets to achieve those goals and there is no point having lots of budget remaining if you aren't going to achieve your goals. 7th 4th 5th is not good enough.
Only Woodward and the board know the budgets and while i don't think £100m for Pogba as a football player is great value, if they decide to pay it I am comfortable as a Man Utd supporter that they know that it is within budget and not putting us at risk and still leaves with remaining budget to make other improvements. Woodward will also have a better idea then us about what Pogba would be worth to us from a commercial point of view offsetting the football value with the commercial value to the club. £100 for Pogba for is better value to us then say for example if Arsenal were in for him due to our commercial strength (i'm not saying shirt sales will pay for his fee). The calculation for the player would be something like player transfer fee + player commercial value = Worth to club and assumably this will be a good deal for us especially with him being a very marketable player.
I think he is probably the best footballer that we can realistically buy in this transfer window and signing him will give us a better chance winning the league. Griezmann, wrong position and just signed a new contract, Kroos Real don't want to sell and not sure he would want to come. Payet/Mehrez wrong position and would still cost a huge amount, Neymar/bale unobtainable. there are a whole host of other young midfielder that are less proven that would still cost a huge amount of money, less marketable, while they are good players they wouldn't significantly improve our options as most are similar playing style to Herrera (Saul, Gomes). Ronaldo/Messi at 23 now would cost £200m even Bale would probably cost more like £120/£130m Neymar £150-£170m so it always easier looking back at transfers then predicting the future, but if they think it worth then so be it.
Only Woodward and the board know the budgets and while i don't think £100m for Pogba as a football player is great value, if they decide to pay it I am comfortable as a Man Utd supporter that they know that it is within budget and not putting us at risk and still leaves with remaining budget to make other improvements. Woodward will also have a better idea then us about what Pogba would be worth to us from a commercial point of view offsetting the football value with the commercial value to the club. £100 for Pogba for is better value to us then say for example if Arsenal were in for him due to our commercial strength (i'm not saying shirt sales will pay for his fee). The calculation for the player would be something like player transfer fee + player commercial value = Worth to club and assumably this will be a good deal for us especially with him being a very marketable player.
I think he is probably the best footballer that we can realistically buy in this transfer window and signing him will give us a better chance winning the league. Griezmann, wrong position and just signed a new contract, Kroos Real don't want to sell and not sure he would want to come. Payet/Mehrez wrong position and would still cost a huge amount, Neymar/bale unobtainable. there are a whole host of other young midfielder that are less proven that would still cost a huge amount of money, less marketable, while they are good players they wouldn't significantly improve our options as most are similar playing style to Herrera (Saul, Gomes). Ronaldo/Messi at 23 now would cost £200m even Bale would probably cost more like £120/£130m Neymar £150-£170m so it always easier looking back at transfers then predicting the future, but if they think it worth then so be it.
£90m to the Glazers? That's just made up.
Very true. I think Pogba would revel in the status of being the most expensive player in the world. Big salary, likes Manchester, unfinished business, has friends here, Jose factor. Added to the fact we are making every effort to get back to the top. It's the right time for him to come back and win things with us. Don't think Juve will want to tun down a world record bid either. Now that Jose has set a deadline, at least we don't have to worry about the fact that this might drag on. We will know in a few weeks i reckon.
You probably want to see what you want to see. There is no chance that Pogba was the best midfielder yesterday. He wasnt even the best French midfielder
this was almost really funny till it said Liverpool don't spend. they blow 100 million every year for last 4 years. should be arsenal there, it's so obvious.Re £100million and inflating the market nonsense, it's all our fault fyi
I think he was officially the best, Messi wasn't crowned until December iirc.
You must say Griezmann then who played pretty much as #9 and 1/2 aka forward as young Rooney than true midfielder.
Yeah. It's the opinion matter then.
Net spend mate, net spend
that still leaves gunners way above the pack, they probably in the black for fecks sake
Hah, very interesting article.
It says more or less the following.
Monday, Mino Raiola was finalizing, in the South of France, the arrival of the offensive midfield of Dortmund Henrikh Mkhitarian at Manchester United. But the Italian agent had another topic to tackle with Ed Woodward, the executive vice-president of MU: the one of Paul Pogba. The interest of MU for the French midfield is nothing new. As we pointed out last week, Jose Mourinho wants to make his midfield denser thanks to the Turinese. But the fact that both parties meet in order to determine the details of the move to make, shows the progress of the discussion.
Pogba mentioned a come back with his entourage.
Beyond the contractual aspect, both men exchanged on how to talk to Juventus, and more importantly, on the global amount allocated to the operation. This Mancunian offensive seems massive. It won't happen below 80 M€ and Manchester United is now certain of the interest of Pogba for this come back. Those last days, with some of his team mates or friends, Pogba has clearly showed his will to tackle unfinished business by coming back to Manchester United, 4 years after his leaving. The case will enter, in the next days, in a very active phase, and the Mancunian offer should shortly arrive at the headquarters of the Turinese club.
H. De. with D.D.
Now that article itself is nothing big, it's one of those online articles.
However the underlying part is related to a 2nd article, which is a premium one (so more reliable and interesting info, basically). And this article was written by Damien Degorre (with B. Gh. and M. Go.).
Since it's a premium article, I cannot read most of it but the beginning is the following.
Discussions have been started between executives of Man Utd and those of Juventus for the transfer of Paul Pogba.
And what if he came back, 4 years later? The possibility to see Paul Pogba again in a Manchester United shirt takes more and more credibility as days pass as a first contact has been made between Ed Woodward, the executive director of the Red Devils, and Juventus Turin executives, where the 23 years old French international is under contract until 2019. Of English source, Manchester leans on a substantial financial envelope to finalise this case and satisfy the desires of Jose Mourinho, who already dreamed of Pogba, last summer, when he was at Chelsea. This works out great, Juventus has no intention to negotiate starting a certain amount (we're being told 100 M€).
For Pogba, coming back one day at Manchester was a step in his career plan.
And that's it.
What matters is that if that's a step in his career, I am really not sure Real Madrid is his next step. Why burn a step, when he wants to prove a point to Manchester United obviously? I really like that. So far, it's the most positive fact I've heard in this transfer story.
You're talking about two very different players. Pogba isn't a ball winning midfielder so he isn't going to impact the game in that way, it's silly to use that as a measurement stick. You could say the same about Ronaldo, if he was starved on the ball and had no movement around him how do you think he'd impact the game? It doesn't make him any less valuable.
You can put people on ignore so you don't have to read their bullshit.
Is that what he said? Hahahaha
Can somebody tag me once we start talking about football again? Thanks.
thanks for the breakdown
You can cool the "blatant lying" talk. I've been corrected on it already, I was mixing the start of his career with the start of Beckhams.
The point still stands though, the amount he's played and achieved so far is ahead of what Scholes had achieved at that point and his profile is far, far higher.
I want Pogba in the center of our midfield because i believe we need lots more energy and dynamism.
Now is he worth all this money. I certainly do not know but one thing I do not see talked about here is his value off the pitch. he is worth lots more than many other players for marketing and advertising...
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2016/03/25/why-paul-pogba-far-more-just-big-name-adidas
Now is he worth all this money. I certainly do not know but one thing I do not see talked about here is his value off the pitch. he is worth lots more than many other players for marketing and advertising...
http://www.thedrum.com/news/2016/03/25/why-paul-pogba-far-more-just-big-name-adidas
I was obviously talking not about their position but rather the attitude and how they approach their game
I was about to look for this option. In general I can tolerate most wums, but I genuinely dislike that spurs fan. He's so arrogant and obnoxious.
And Pogba is still far away from being up there. Hence he is massively overpriced and overrated
IMO, Sissoko was better yesterday imo
Yeah, no one is arguing he isn't overrated. I think everyone knows it's a ludicrous price, but we're desperate. We need players like him and need to be prepared to pay prices others like Real won't if we want to get them.
Nothing against that. I only have a problem with those who claim the fee is perfectly fine
Well Okay. Opinion matters then.
Balague: Pogba favours Real Madrid over Manchester United but Real is going to be priced out
You can even see the his bitterness on twitter