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So is Juventus getting ready to say no to a net benefit of £100M in 4 years? They did say no to Bonucci for Chelsea, that's an interesting fact.
Bonucci worth record signing for a defender, Juventus knows that. Few million more than Mangala is not worth considering knowing Man City is desperate. We offer world record for Pogba that no one yet joined in, so a little bit different.
Pogba has told his Mother he wants to go to Real Madrid.
Pogba has told his friends he wants to go to United.
Next week he'll tell his Uncle Greg he wants to join Wrexham or something. He cant make his mind up this lad.
Pogba has told his friends he wants to go to United.
Next week he'll tell his Uncle Greg he wants to join Wrexham or something. He cant make his mind up this lad.
They still will have a formidable midfield even if Pogba leaves but the same cant be said for their defense if Bonucci leaves. Hence Bonucci is more important to them than Pogba.
Spurs get 25m per season from Nike
(Edit: Sorry, it's currently at 10m with UA - So thats 65m per season)
United get 75m per season from Adidas
50m extra from a single sponsor....
That is why we go for players at these prices, we can, because our income allows us to.
Spurs right now and for the foreseeable future wont ever match our financial power.
This isn't a dig btw Glaston, I do understand what you are saying about over paying, but supply and demand. Pogba is one of the best midfielders in the game in my opinion, top 10 let's say, but also, is at a good age, and probably more getable than the others right now.
We want him, we have to pay the money, it's that simple really.
Can we afford it....? Yes. That is all that matters.
This isn't a potential club destroying signing
(Edit: Sorry, it's currently at 10m with UA - So thats 65m per season)
United get 75m per season from Adidas
50m extra from a single sponsor....
That is why we go for players at these prices, we can, because our income allows us to.
Spurs right now and for the foreseeable future wont ever match our financial power.
This isn't a dig btw Glaston, I do understand what you are saying about over paying, but supply and demand. Pogba is one of the best midfielders in the game in my opinion, top 10 let's say, but also, is at a good age, and probably more getable than the others right now.
We want him, we have to pay the money, it's that simple really.
Can we afford it....? Yes. That is all that matters.
This isn't a potential club destroying signing
For the record, I don't believe Pogba is worth £100m either from a purely footballing perspective. The premium is largely a byproduct of his global profile and huge potential, though I do think he's easily worth £60m or more in today's market.
The scouting argument is an obvious one but easier said than done. Even someone like Renato Sanches' price could rise as high as €80m and he's an 18 year old who only broke through for his club this season! It's not as though every transfer can be conducted with a view to the future either, most clubs will want some form of immediate return on their investment. That has to count for something too.
We'll have to agree to disagree about your final point. Whilst that may be true of some stories, I don't think it is in relation to the ones I was referencing.
Exactly. Spurs are in a different world. Just the way it is. Our goal is to be back on/near top of Europe and making huge signings and building up the infrastructure are all part of that. Spurs can't do that unless they catch lightning in a bottle.
I think we have less than 50% of signing Pogba but I'm glad we have a shot.
I think we have less than 50% of signing Pogba but I'm glad we have a shot.
Care to explain the bold?
you should know being a spurs fan with your spurs math #whitetextCare to explain the bold?
Alli over Pogba. God damn this is just hilarious. I mean I get that he's overpriced but fecking Alli over him? That's almost as bad as in the RAWK thread their fans saying Emre Can is almost as good as him
ALLLLLLI.. The Greatest...
A few points...
1) Spurs played their best last season and it wasn't good enough. Period! In the big scheme of things you are a upper mid level team. Not trying to be rude but it is what it is.
2) the money is not the issue for me as wages for star athletes are soaring all over the world in practically every sport.
3) it's not about what happened with him and SAF... It's about the badge.... The theater of dreams.... The rich history that he rightfully belongs at the future helm of (if the stars line up).
I love the fact that it appears Jose is apparently saying he wants Pogba signed by Community Shield. Throwing that heat.
1) Spurs played their best last season and it wasn't good enough. Period! In the big scheme of things you are a upper mid level team. Not trying to be rude but it is what it is.
2) the money is not the issue for me as wages for star athletes are soaring all over the world in practically every sport.
3) it's not about what happened with him and SAF... It's about the badge.... The theater of dreams.... The rich history that he rightfully belongs at the future helm of (if the stars line up).
I love the fact that it appears Jose is apparently saying he wants Pogba signed by Community Shield. Throwing that heat.
Theres a reason you finished third in the league. We are trying to win it this coming year, not next year or the year after.
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The only way I can stomach it is to convince myself he wouldn't be the player he is today if he had stayed here. He is a different person, a different player, so almost like if not a brand new signing. If he was to join and played well, no would care end of the season. But if he turns out to be poor, sporadic and not consistent, will be quite embarrassing for the Club.
looks like Jose has given it till Aug 7th to wrap up this transfer. If not done he is going for an alternative.
makes sense to wrap up before first game of the season. that way we can continue to see who needs to just leave. instead of worrying about who to replace
Care to explain the bold?
I did a google search and it came up you was getting 25m per season from Nike. I didn't realise that this deal starts next year, so currently your shirt deal is 10m per season, which is 65m less per season than ours.
Hey! Leave our great Dutch hope out of this! Janssen is going to be our next great striker after van Nistelooij, Kluivert, Bergkamp and van Basten.... Spurs are paying 15 mil euros pfor him after he played 1 year at the highest level and in which he basically scored most of his goals in the second part of the season...
Pogba might be overpriced but so i Janssen in my opinion... i dont even think Janssen is that great while Pogba can be awesome at times.
Pogba isn't worth £100m.
For that money, I expect peak Ronaldo, Bale or Neymar so wouldn't be too gutted if he joins Madrid for that sum.
I am worried the price tag will get to him and he'll join and not reproduce his form at Juventus, let alone become one of the best in the world (to justify the price tag)
That said, it's not my money and hopefully this won't affect our future spending. Good luck to him if he joins!
For that money, I expect peak Ronaldo, Bale or Neymar so wouldn't be too gutted if he joins Madrid for that sum.
I am worried the price tag will get to him and he'll join and not reproduce his form at Juventus, let alone become one of the best in the world (to justify the price tag)
That said, it's not my money and hopefully this won't affect our future spending. Good luck to him if he joins!
I think Ronaldo could actually play the #9 role well if he put his mind to it, but it would need for him to be certain about it before you buy Hazard, as he can only really provide his best form from that LW position. I think Chelsea might be up to sell though as it's hard to see him fitting in Conte's system.
Neymar's release clause is to be expected to be around 250m Euros.
Bale, I am not so sure. As for Ronaldo, we already brought in Zlatan. Despite all of this, Pogba and these names that you have thrown in, plays in diff position. We are in dire need of a midfield general. Not a winger or a proven goalscorer. These two are already been brought by Mourinho in the form of Zlatan and Mikhtaryan.
If you suggested for either of these three names; Modric, Kroos or Veratti then it's fine. That being said, clubs that owns them doesn't want to sell. Especially, PSG. Money is not a question for them.
He does one thing good all game and he is now worth £100m instantly.
It's not about his worth on the field only. The 100M pound bid includes what he is worth including for marketing and future play. You seem to think the club will just offer random amounts of money to sign players without having numerous formulas for estimating a player's worth to a club. Of course he isn't worth 100M for his current skill, the club is not buying him solely for that. They want to capitalize on the player's fanbase and star attitude that would allow the club to make the money. The club will not make offers that do not benefit the club financially. Hell, that's exactly what fans criticized the Glazers for trying to do in the first place, to only try to make money. Now when they open their checkbook people complain that they're overpaying for players. It's the day and age, fecking Troy Deeney got denied a 30M pound bid. Troy fecking Deeney. Paul Pogba is the most promising and one of the best midfielders in the world currently and his marketability is exponential. I don't see why any fans of clubs complain about how much/little players cost unless they themselves have the background and information required to do financial analysis on that player.
Agreed with you.
For those who are saying "100m isn't worth it" listen to this.
As soon as Pogba goes to Madrid the buyout clause will be 200M+
Just like Neymars buyout and Messis and so on, even Kroos, if United appointed an actual decent manager after Moyes Kroos could have come to United for 40-50M at the very most he had one year left on his contract.
The time to buy Pogba is now or never, if it takes 100M its worth it. Please see the bigger picture.
I'm basing my opinion on his skill level and not his marketability. That's up to smarter guys than myself to do all that. Of course I see the appeal of how much revenue he can bring in, but does he have the same charisma as Ronaldo or even Beckham? Theres a lot of ifs around the whole deal and of course I would love him to sign for us and become a great player. Maybe its the tactics hes been asked to play for France but I haven't seen anything out of the ordinary from him this tournament, gave away a clumsy penalty against Ireland and should have given away another one against Germany, played too many sidewards passes as well for my liking. But again it could be the tactics hes been asked to play to, for £100m he should stand out a lot more in a midfield with Sissoko (who looks good)
Why do opposition fans care so much what we were spend on the players?
It's not like we are Leeds United throwing money around without a plan. We actually have a former investment banker in charge of us. Having worked in a bank myself,you simply don't make this kind of big investments without a lot of feasibility studies.
This same bunch was cheering on as Madrid signed Ronaldo for 80 mil which has played a huge part in this football inflation we are now. They were mocking us for overspending on Martial. Look how that turned out.
It's not like we are Leeds United throwing money around without a plan. We actually have a former investment banker in charge of us. Having worked in a bank myself,you simply don't make this kind of big investments without a lot of feasibility studies.
This same bunch was cheering on as Madrid signed Ronaldo for 80 mil which has played a huge part in this football inflation we are now. They were mocking us for overspending on Martial. Look how that turned out.
Lovely to watch Glaston trying to convince himself that us spending anything will be our downfall, and it's so sweet to see how much he cares about our finances. Looking at his insight into our finances, maybe he should be councelling our board and financial department, as he might warn them that spending more on a player than his entire club is worth will destroy our club.
Oh yeah, if there's one thing Bayern, Barca and Real have taught us it's buying big name players isn't the way to go.
I disagree with the bolded bit. You don't become a truly great team without buying star players. Look at Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern or some of the great United teams under Fergie. These teams all have/had star players that were bought for big money. You refer to the Alli's and Diers of this world but that situation is incomparable. You can't just look at the expected impact on the pitch and compare that directly to the difference in price. That's not how the transfer market operates. Pogba is a key player in a side that has won 4 Serie A titles and reached the Champions League final. You have to pay massively over the odds for such a player, that has always been the case.
Uncle P should have his own show on MUTV... The Paddy Evra show
ffs people continuing to engage a troll, a Spurs fan no less. What next? Engage in discussion on Pogba with a Newcastle fan saying Wijnaldum is better and telling us how 100m spending can hurt us?
What have the "Alli's" and "Dier's" of this world achieved? A 3rd place finish in the league? A place in an England team that could not beat Iceland?
Yes, they are good players but comparing them to a guy who has won multiple league and cup titles. Won titles in his international youth teams. Winning personal accolades. Reaching international finals (may even win it). Reaching the CL final.
Gladston even said Alli has more drive and passion, or whatever he said, than Pogba. You don't win the things Pogba has by not having the right attitude. You are rather deluded on this matter.
Yes, they are good players but comparing them to a guy who has won multiple league and cup titles. Won titles in his international youth teams. Winning personal accolades. Reaching international finals (may even win it). Reaching the CL final.
Gladston even said Alli has more drive and passion, or whatever he said, than Pogba. You don't win the things Pogba has by not having the right attitude. You are rather deluded on this matter.
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Because we are inflating the market.
Glaston is best ignored.
His obsession with finances goes beyond rationality. If it's not him criticizing our spending,it's him going on about how Spurs new stadium will make them financial superpowers
He compensates for a lack of silverware by shifting any discussion to numbers or made up future scenarios (That always turn out so well for Spurs and so badly for us)
Why didnt they care when everyone else was?
Like Madrid for example. They loved the Ronaldo sale .
Ronaldo was the 2nd best player in the world, coming off the back of a 42 goal season playing on the Right Wing and he was still £20m less.