Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Anyone think his moral compass may kick in and tell him he can't leave the club on a free twice?

No footballer thinks like that to be honest.

 

[Coops73]

Anyone think his moral compass may kick in and tell him he can't leave the club on a free twice?

Hahahahahahaha….oops just gone done a little wee.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Him leaving on a free to be signed for a world record free and again leave on a free, all the while us still being premier League less, would be an absolute disaster for the club.

 

[crossy1686]

So what you’re saying is he followed instructions

Not tactical, just peer pressure

 

[Jim Beam]

Him leaving on a free to be signed for a world record free and again leave on a free, all the while us still being premier League less, would be an absolute disaster for the club.

Yeah, it wouldn't look great. Reckon I will just pretend it never happened.

 

[Ali Dia]

Him leaving on a free is no worse than having the highest paid keeper in the world sitting on the bench or paying Sanchez 300k a week to go away and then giving him 15 million to stay gone.

Part of being shrewd in the market is knowing when to sell. If we keep him on those kinds of wages I hope we have a much better plan than we did last season.

 

[United in sin]

This was after his French teammates sat him down and told him he had to take one for the team and be more disciplined. No more roaming around like a nomad in midfield and leaving the defence to eat shit.

So even according to this scenario he followed instructions then right? Where is a source for this claim btw? It doesn't sound believable to me.

We wouldn’t displace Bayern’s current midfielders and I would take them in a direct swap for him in a heartbeat. As would virtually every other United fan. At Juve he played in an ultra dominant team, in a weak league, where he had two world class midfielders covering for him. He’s been here for 5 years and we are still having the same discussion and he is still doing the sublime with ease but the careless with regularity.

He’s a luxury player and you’d have to be mental to rely on him at the heart of your midfield for anything other than a few games. He’s just not consistent, reliable or mature enough.

For me, his best position always should have been as a 10, combining his technical ability with great physicality. A position where his poor work ethic, tactical discipline, and propensity for over elaboration aren’t exposed. But we have Bruno there now, who is twice the player he is in terms of his impact on the team.

If Pogba stays, he’s a good player to have in the squad, but I don’t see him as a guaranteed starter as he doesn’t fit our system. He’s especially useful against low block teams. But if he leaves, and we can reinvest his fee and wages, then I’ll be happy with that too. I can really appreciate his technical excellence, but he’s just not a player to rely on.

Bayern are an ultra dominant team in Germany and walk the league at will. They won it by 13 points last season! They draw parrellels with Juventus in this respect (when Pogba was there particularly for the sake of this argument).

Pogba can be accommodated at Bayern Munich easily. Any top manager would work with Pogba if given the chance. The only reason I couldn't realistically see him at Bayern is the fact his agent is an idiot and Bayern wouldn't entertain that sort of drama

 

[elmo]

Anyone think he has a moral compass where his career is concerned?

If he has one, he wouldn’t have that prick as his agent.

 

[glazed]

Anyone think his moral compass may kick in and tell him he can't leave the club on a free twice?

That implies the transfer system is is itself ethical rather than the chaotic remnant of a system that was ruled illegal and exploitative long ago. The courage it took for Bosman to even achieve that was remarkable.

Imagine a football world where contracts longer than three months were declared illegal.

 

[crossy1686]

So even according to this scenario he followed instructions then right? Where is a source for this claim btw? It doesn't sound believable to me.

The source is French journalists who followed the French squad during the tournament and Andy Brassel.

If you think most of your team mates putting pressure on you to be more disciplined is following instructions then I don't have any further reply. For some reason your support for Pogba seems to be overtly defensive for someone who's been here 5 years and had a handful of great games.

 

[tenpoless]

By 2023 he'll still be here and we'll still be discussing the same topic.

 

[pascell]

By 2023 he'll still be here and we'll still be discussing the same topic.

Very unlikely as he had 1 year left on his real

 

[theklr]

Must say getting both Varane and Sancho must be enticing for him to play with. And at least proof that the club is finally building for success/trophies

 

[Charlie Foley]

I agree. He is miles off them.

Don’t worry. He will run a marathon soon and be much closer

 

[United in sin]

The source is French journalists who followed the French squad during the tournament and Andy Brassel.

If you think most of your team mates putting pressure on you to be more disciplined is following instructions then I don't have any further reply. For some reason your support for Pogba seems to be overtly defensive for someone who's been here 5 years and had a handful of great games.

Any link to this claim? Do you think players don't routinely push themselves to be better in the dressing room and in training? Pogba has been France's best midfielder in their last two major tournaments

 

[Tallis]

When it comes to Pogba, most of the criticism and debate seem to be around his position and work rate. But for me that’s the lesser of the problems I have with him. My big problem with him is his consistency. Even if we disregard his work rate, he seems to blow hot and cold too often which makes it impossible to build a team to suit him. If he consistently produced the goods from an attacking sense, then a manager could build a team around him and he wouldn’t have to run too much towards his goal. As it is, he just doesn’t produce consistently enough for anyone to build a team around him.

 

[Revan]

Probably something to do with the total package of a new contract for him being in the region of £140m. Which he is barely worth half of.

Name a midfielder who could replace him and whose total cost (over a 5 year contract, so signing fee, signing on fee, agent fee and salary) is 70m. When there, go for 140m.

 

[pratyush_utd]

Don't understand why so many here are bothered about what Pogba will get if he signs the contract? We will pay him what we think he is worth.

 

[Chesterlestreet]

United in the post-SAF era are infamous for giving out stupid contracts, so it's to be expected that people won't just trust the club to get it right.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Don't understand why so many here are bothered about what Pogba will get if he signs the contract? We will pay him what we think he is worth.

Probably because we're thinking about the domino effect.

Not been paying too much attention to Barcelona this summer? Look what their crazy wage bill has led to. They are having to have a fire sale just to register new signings and keep Messi.

Pogba earning the rumoured 420k a week would be up there with the Sanchez contract as one of the biggest mistakes in the post Fergie years. He's simply not deserved it.

 

[Borys]

Don't understand why so many here are bothered about what Pogba will get if he signs the contract? We will pay him what we think he is worth.

We will pay him what we think he is worth playing for us. He might be worth more for others.
I can somehow understand why we pay obscene wages to De Gea, as we just couldn't afford to lose him at the time. Now we suffer painful consequences.

With Pogba we absolutely can't do that, because, well, he isn't really an important figure for us anymore. Which is why I think he can get better offers from other clubs and everyone should walk their way with smiles. Pogba walks to a better contract, we walk with the money.

 

[MattofManchester]

The real question here is, if he does stay, where is he going to play?

I'm not sold on him being allowed to operate in midfield if we sign a specialist DM.
He doesn't have the work rate to get back and provide support to the DM when we get exposed.

We can't constantly have him benched for big matches either. We need our best on the field when it matters, and on his day he's the very best.

Makes me think we're probably leaning to sell. However there's been no movement from the club on any of our players.

 

[Rolaholic]

With Mbappe on the cards to leave over the next year, I'm not sure they'd have a better chance at winning the CL than we would.

 

[Infra-red]

With Mbappe on the cards to leave over the next year, I'm not sure they'd have a better chance at winning the CL than we would.

Spain or a return to Italy have usually been reported as his preferred options. If we can't shift him this summer, we'll probably see him go next year on a free transfer to whichever of Real Madrid and Juve offer Raiola the biggest agent fee.

 

[sp_107]

Saul or Aouar can easily replace him I guess with less circus around and also they can be more consistent

Any other players we can look at to replace Pogba?

Looks like this is the best time to sign players as clubs are in desperate need of money, We can take new loan and hedge out the budget in next few years by signing ,most of the players in this window

 

[RUCK4444]

Saul or Aouar can easily replace him I guess with less circus around and also they can be more consistent

There is no saying either of those will have any impact in the PL.
Saul is coming off a couple of seasons of poor form. Aouar is talented but slight and coming from Ligue 1.

People wishing Pogba away are going to be frustrated by the player replacing him, if it’s one of the few we’ve been linked with.

Camavinga is interesting but doesn’t want to play here and is one for the future. Other than him nobody stands out as a player who will improve us.

I’d still prefer us to sign a top DM and keep Pogba. No doubt in my mind that’s the better solution compared to the players we’re linked with.

 

[Rolaholic]

Saul and Aouar are both coming off poor seasons and Saul hasn't been a key contributor for Atletico for a while now.

There's also a reason why the only club seriously linked to Auoar has been Arsenal and for over half cheaper an amount than OL was refusing for him a few years ago.

Thinking they'll automatically kick on in the Premier League is a tall ask...

If we're in the market for an actual replacement, we can do better when it comes to finding a box to box type.

 

[Threesus]

There is no saying either of those will have any impact in the PL.
Saul is coming off a couple of seasons of poor form. Aouar is talented but slight and coming from Ligue 1.

People wishing Pogba away are going to be frustrated by the player replacing him, if it’s one of the few we’ve been linked with.

Camavinga is interesting but doesn’t want to play here and is one for the future. Other than him nobody stands out as a player who will improve us.

I’d still prefer us to sign a top DM and keep Pogba. No doubt in my mind that’s the better solution compared to the players we’re linked with.

Pogba also frustrates on a regular basis. From what you said, we would not be changing the status quo much.

 

[RUCK4444]

Pogba also frustrates on a regular basis. From what you said, we would not be changing the status quo much.

That's questionable though. More often than not last season the comments post match were positive.

People have their opinions on the player but more often than not he plays well enough and is a constant threat going forward which we will almost certainly lose in his absence. Likewise this narrative that he gives the ball away a lot is overplayed when you consider how many goals we've actually conceded from Paul losing the ball.

I think people hold him to a much higher standard than others, like say Fred or Scott. A typical game where Paul 'hasn't played very well' is the exact performance one of McFred will get away with week in, week out (whilst offering nothing going forward.)

 

[Borys]

That's questionable though. More often than not last season the comments post match were positive.

People have their opinions on the player but more often than not he plays well enough and is a constant threat going forward which we will almost certainly lose in his absence. Likewise this narrative that he gives the ball away a lot is overplayed when you consider how many goals we've actually conceded from Paul losing the ball.

I think people hold him to a much higher standard than others, like say Fred or Scott. A typical game where Paul 'hasn't played very well' is the exact performance one of McFred will get away with week in, week out (whilst offering nothing going forward.)

Pogba was not able to get in the team ahead of McTominay of Fred though, and was moved to the wing (where he was very effective). With Sancho joining, I don't see how we will miss Pogba the midfielder (unless we don't get any midfielder in his place).

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Saul or Aouar can easily replace him I guess with less circus around and also they can be more consistent

Saul is coming off of the worst season of his career.

Looks like this is the best time to sign players as clubs are in desperate need of money, We can take new loan and hedge out the budget in next few years by signing ,most of the players in this window

It goes both ways, if its cheapest to sign new players now, its also the cheapest to sell our best assets and you'd be selling Pogba at a 40% or so discount as compared to next summer after you have him locked in on a longer term deal. The horizon is not looking good for Pogba either, as no other club can match the wages he is currently on at United and he'll be asked to take a pay cut that'll be hard to recover from. It makes sense for both parties to come to the table and negotiate a deal with a reasonable exit clause after 2 or 3 seasons.

 

[Threesus]

That's questionable though. More often than not last season the comments post match were positive.

People have their opinions on the player but more often than not he plays well enough and is a constant threat going forward which we will almost certainly lose in his absence. Likewise this narrative that he gives the ball away a lot is overplayed when you consider how many goals we've actually conceded from Paul losing the ball.

I think people hold him to a much higher standard than others, like say Fred or Scott. A typical game where Paul 'hasn't played very well' is the exact performance one of McFred will get away with week in, week out (whilst offering nothing going forward.)

I mean people say that he is the best midfielder in the world. Of course he is going to be held to much higher standards and would be under the microscope a lot more.

I would rather we get something for him than risk losing him on a free the second time. Hope he has communicated his intentions to the club so that we can resolve this, rather than his agent running his mouth before important games about how he should be playing elsewhere

 

[romufc]

That's questionable though. More often than not last season the comments post match were positive.

People have their opinions on the player but more often than not he plays well enough and is a constant threat going forward which we will almost certainly lose in his absence. Likewise this narrative that he gives the ball away a lot is overplayed when you consider how many goals we've actually conceded from Paul losing the ball.

I think people hold him to a much higher standard than others, like say Fred or Scott. A typical game where Paul 'hasn't played very well' is the exact performance one of McFred will get away with week in, week out (whilst offering nothing going forward.)

I think this is recency bias. Pogba only started playing well in mid December after the West Ham game, so it wasn't even 1/2 a season he played well in really.

The narrative that he gives the ball away is valid because his passing % is very similar to Bruno who everyone says loses the ball too easily.

Obviously Pogba is held to a higher standard, he earns 300k in wages! Pogba has 5/6 good games a season and people think he is undroppable whereas McT even though they dont have much going forward, will give you energy in midfield.

 

[Snuffkin]

he only turns up when he thinks the limelight is on him, champion's league games ans internationals, he needs to realise the enormity of playing for the biggest club in the world

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Pogba was not able to get in the team ahead of McTominay of Fred though, and was moved to the wing (where he was very effective). With Sancho joining, I don't see how we will miss Pogba the midfielder (unless we don't get any midfielder in his place).

If this more aggressive 433 thing is true regarding Ole’s plans, then we’d definitely miss him.

 

[RUCK4444]

If this more aggressive 433 thing is true regarding Ole’s plans, then we’d definitely miss him.

This. Our other midfielders will make a mockery of this 'aggressive' formation.

 

[RUCK4444]

he only turns up when he thinks the limelight is on him, champion's league games ans internationals, he needs to realise the enormity of playing for the biggest club in the world

This in a nutshell is how many fans view him. It's a nonsense narrative created because of his price tag and their overinflated opinion of what he was going to bring when we signed him.

He plays better for France because he's partnered with an actual DM.

 

[RUCK4444]

I think this is recency bias. Pogba only started playing well in mid December after the West Ham game, so it wasn't even 1/2 a season he played well in really.

The narrative that he gives the ball away is valid because his passing % is very similar to Bruno who everyone says loses the ball too easily.

Obviously Pogba is held to a higher standard, he earns 300k in wages! Pogba has 5/6 good games a season and people think he is undroppable whereas McT even though they dont have much going forward, will give you energy in midfield.

Nah not really. He was hardly Martial level of anonymous prior to December (it was an injury plagued season for him) - when fit he wasn't terrible.

If anything recency bias will account for the fact that almost all his detractors now view him as being awful last season, he wasn't, he was injured and when fit he was decent.

 

[Zehner]

This. Our other midfielders will make a mockery of this 'aggressive' formation.

What exactly does "aggressive 4-3-3" mean and why would Pogba shine in it? He had his best performances in cautious teams that sit back and transition quickly.

IMO, Pogba is a brillant player but you would be better of selling him because you can't play two midfielders who give away the ball as often as Pogba and Bruno without keeping one or both on the short leash tactically. Both players would profit from a midfield partner who recycles possession very well. Especially in attacking minded formations, you can't gift the ball to the opponent that often.

 

[He'sRaldo]

That's questionable though. More often than not last season the comments post match were positive.

People have their opinions on the player but more often than not he plays well enough and is a constant threat going forward which we will almost certainly lose in his absence. Likewise this narrative that he gives the ball away a lot is overplayed when you consider how many goals we've actually conceded from Paul losing the ball.

I think people hold him to a much higher standard than others, like say Fred or Scott. A typical game where Paul 'hasn't played very well' is the exact performance one of McFred will get away with week in, week out (whilst offering nothing going forward.)

It's baffling to me so I had to go back and look a few comments on all his matches last season after he recovered from COVID. Just to make sure I wasn't imagining things.

He had a very good, consistent season, and I have no idea how the assessment has somehow changed to him being a liability in the team. Of course he had poor games as well, who doesn't. But at least according to the receipts, his last season was a good one.