Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”

el3mel said:
I answered the questions. Your problem is you think your opinion is the one shared by the entire fanbase. No it's not. The majority were thinking Martial is the future of Man United and should be permanent starter and Pogba should be the center of the team and we should build the team around him and his qualities.
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The fanbase is entitled to get giddy now and then.

The manager isn't. Why did Jose sanction the signing of Pogba for a record fee if he wasn't intending him to be (at the very least) a key part of his team?
 
simonhch said:
SAF used to say that most people don’t recognise that being hard working is a talent. And that statement holds true today. When the conversation veers towards talented players - or in this case “hugely talented” - it inevitably focuses on players of high technical ability. But if one ever reframes the perception of what “talented” really means and gives equal weighting compared to technical ability, to attributes such as mental fitness, consistent application, and hard work; then Pobga really doesn’t fit the description of being “hugely talented” anymore. Instead he becomes viewed as what he actually is: a mediocre player in terms of real world effectiveness, who possesses some eye catching technical qualities that sporadically result in an impressive highlights reel.

Holding onto this notion that he is a superb talent is what has prevented a ruthless analysis of his performances and perpetuated his central role in the team under successive managers. It’s what led to his signing in the first place.

Consider the excessive weighting given to his relative mastery of some advanced skills - long range passing, vision, flair moves - and then contextualise them alongside his lack of proficiency in the more fundamental attributes of his position - tackling, bravery, work rate, decision making, short range passing, positioning, and teamwork - the basics for a midfielder, and you have to ask yourself ‘hugely talented at what exactly?’

Whenever I think of it in these terms, I not only come to the conclusion that he’d be my 5th choice midfielder at the club, but that the honest assessment of him is that he’s just not very good. Once I grasped that, I wondered why on earth I held on so long waiting for him to “come good”; and it’s because all the things he’s good at, are the things that are most rare and coveted in a player. But that desire assumes all the key fundamentals are in place and those skills are his differentiator. Not with Pogba.

He’s the emerald city built on quick sand. All gravy and no meat. The icing without the cake. A CGI blockbuster with no storyline. If he was a movie he’d be Prometheus; amazing trailer, damp squib of a film. If he was a porn star, he’d have the biggest dick on set, but no balls to give him an erection.

He’s so deeply, fundamentally flawed for the professional role he was acquired for, that he should be analytically viewed as perhaps the worst signing in our history.

tl;dr: He's rubbish
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He is certainly up there given his price.
 
Revaulx said:
The fanbase is entitled to get giddy now and then.

The manager isn't. Why did Jose sanction the signing of Pogba for a record fee if he wasn't intending him to be (at the very least) a key part of his team?
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Neither Martial, nor Pogba were bad transfers back then. Martial was an exciting talent and Pogba was one of the best midfielders in the world when we signed him. On paper both transfers made perfect sense. Both ultimately didn't work out, and it was clear both weren't the players we thought them to be when we signed them. We should have moved on sooner imo, yet we kept on hoping both will end up what we thought them to be. When Mourinho and Pogba had their feud, the right decision was to get rid of both of them.
 
Been a huge disappointment for me and I'm sure many others.

(apart from our come back against man city)
 
el3mel said:
I answered the questions. Your problem is you think your opinion is the one shared by the entire fanbase. No it's not. The majority were thinking Martial is the future of Man United and should be permanent starter and Pogba should be the center of the team and we should build the team around him and his qualities.
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Incredible. you straw manned the entirety of the Caf!
 
I thought he'd be so much better when we signed him from Juve. What a disappointment. Waste of time and money in the end really, which has only been exacerbated by the constant jibes at the club from his shitbag agent who Pogba has never made any attempt to muzzle. At least it's nearly over - good riddance.
 
matt10000 said:
Yes we hired Jose and then didn’t trust or back him. Crazy, large companies don’t head hunt the best available and then not give them control. It may well have gone tits up eventually but we may well have won the league.
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He was backed and even admitted himself at the beginning of his 3rd season. You can keep repeating this revisionist history as much as you like, but it will always be an alternate reality that never happened. Nice try.
 
Finally we have a manager that doesn't have his heart strings being pulled and recognizes the situation for what it is.....let him leave as his performances haven't warranted a final big contract

he's going to have a tough time finding a final big contract simply b/c his agent is a leech
 
WhyYouGottaBeSoRuud? said:
Bloody hope so. Sick of the circus.

Olé's biggest mistake was not selling him in the summer. He'll walk for free again.
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I don't really care about him walking for free. At this point, I just wish we could have let him go last summer even if it was for free back then.
 
Tyrion said:
I don't really care about him walking for free. At this point, I just wish we could have let him go last summer even if it was for free back then.
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On one hand it sounds bad losing a 90m player for free.
But we've had him for 6 years, and only really had short bursts of top class. He actually scored 16 goals in one season, which I bet all of us had forgotten!

But generally it's been long spells of trying to find a system to get the best out of him, and we never quite achieved it.

At a cost of say 400k a week, 20m a season for what would be a 4-5 year deal, it'd be the same outlay on top, and that's simply not worth it, so let him go now.
It'll be abroad, as Liverpool won't afford it, and he wouldn't fit Chelsea or City.
 
I love the lad but He doesn't fit and no manager has been able to make it work consistently. Worldie of a talent on his day but calamity when its not his day. If he leaves on a free then we take the loss. Renewing him seems dumb at this point from both sides
 
Eli Zee said:
Doesn't mean he wasn't a huge disappointment. He was.
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United have been a disappointment since Fergie left. Pogba was our talisman before Bruno, our top scorer the season Mourinho was sacked and Solskjaer came in.

He's been heavily involved in many of our best moments in the post Fergie era and instrumental in helping us win every piece of silverware we've collected in this dark period. We've had much worse big name signings like Sanchez, Di Maria, Depay and Schweinsteiger.

No other CMs at the club come close to matching his creativity or actual production numbers. Yes he needs to go, I'm done with his agent and non committal BS but I won't take away from his contributions on the pitch. I think for a lot of fans it's personal with Pogba and I understand that, but let's be be realistic, not one big signing was ever going to be a fix for the mess this club has become in recent years. We've had Bruno for two and a half seasons now and still haven't won anything of note since 2017
 
Tyrion said:
You referring to him in the past tense says alot tbh.
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I haven't seen him play in a while, and it looks like his contract is going to be up around the same time as our next game, if I'm not mistaken. Or right around then.
Isn't it like a given he's not resigning, so using the past tense is perfectly acceptable?
 
Eli Zee said:
I haven't seen him play in a while, and it looks like his contract is going to be up around the same time as our next game, if I'm not mistaken. Or right around then.
Isn't it like a given he's not resigning, so using the past tense is perfectly acceptable?
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I hope that we play before June 30.
 
United in sin said:
United have been a disappointment since Fergie left. Pogba was our talisman before Bruno, our top scorer the season Mourinho was sacked and Solskjaer came in.

He's been heavily involved in many of our best moments in the post Fergie era and instrumental in helping us win every piece of silverware we've collected in this dark period. We've had much worse big name signings like Sanchez, Di Maria, Depay and Schweinsteiger.

No other CMs at the club come close to matching his creativity or actual production numbers. Yes he needs to go, I'm done with his agent and non committal BS but I won't take away from his contributions on the pitch. I think for a lot of fans it's personal with Pogba and I understand that, but let's be be realistic, not one big signing was ever going to be a fix for the mess this club has become in recent years. We've had Bruno for two and a half seasons now and still haven't won anything of note since 2017
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I never said Pogba was the only disappointment. It's a combination of everything. His agent. Leaving for free the first time. Leaving for free the 2nd time (most likely). Lackadaisical effort, or so it seems. And many other things.
I don't feel like getting into it completely, but for the expectations I and many others had, his contribution / time here was a disappointment. He did not exceed expectations. He did not meet expectations, hence, disappointment.

Manchester United has been a shit show for years. No denying that. Just speaking strictly on Pogba.
 
He's not going to Juventus. They're not gonna pay his wages. He's not in a good place.
 
Harry190 said:
He's not going to Juventus. They're not gonna pay his wages. He's not in a good place.
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Not sure I follow. He will easily find a club if his wish is to move and United have also offered a contract which to my understanding from the news, has not been rescinded.
 
I only see PSG as his realistic destination. Good luck to the lad but I am sure he could have done much better whilst at United. I will not miss him much.
 
JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo said:
I love the lad but He doesn't fit and no manager has been able to make it work consistently. Worldie of a talent on his day but calamity when its not his day. If he leaves on a free then we take the loss. Renewing him seems dumb at this point from both sides
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when you have to say "on his day" he isnt a worldie talent. Worldie talents have their day every day. Ronaldo at 36 nearly 37 being case in point. Many others in United's past also were 7 out of ten most weeks and hit the heights after that.
 
SuperiorXI said:
Can't believe the club are going to let him walk for nothing again... should have sold him a long time ago.
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Not really the clubs fault on this one.

Hes on big wages and not really performed to point where any of the big clubs want to drop a fee on him and pay 400k a week and whatever raiolas cut is
 
Lastwolf said:
Not really the clubs fault on this one.

Hes on big wages and not really performed to point where any of the big clubs want to drop a fee on him and pay 400k a week and whatever raiolas cut is
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Of course it's the clubs fault... if they didn't see this coming they're simply stupid. You can't tell me they couldn't work out some type of workable deal a few months ago that saw some funds returned to the club for the failed "Paul Pogba Project".
 
0le said:
Not sure I follow. He will easily find a club if his wish is to move and United have also offered a contract which to my understanding from the news, has not been rescinded.
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He will not get a bigger contract than what he currently has. Likely no takers at his current salary level either. He is bankable, but he is not necessary.
 
Harry190 said:
He will not get a bigger contract than what he currently has. Likely no takers at his current salary level either. He is bankable, but he is not necessary.
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Ah, I see your point. Yeah, Covid did reduce his chances of a "bigger pay day".
 
Sandikan said:
On one hand it sounds bad losing a 90m player for free.
But we've had him for 6 years, and only really had short bursts of top class. He actually scored 16 goals in one season, which I bet all of us had forgotten!

But generally it's been long spells of trying to find a system to get the best out of him, and we never quite achieved it.

At a cost of say 400k a week, 20m a season for what would be a 4-5 year deal, it'd be the same outlay on top, and that's simply not worth it, so let him go now.
It'll be abroad, as Liverpool won't afford it, and he wouldn't fit Chelsea or City.
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Exactly. The wages are so high being obsessed with salvaging a selling price is silly. We should be more willing to let overrated players go for free. Players like Bale and Ozil can wind up eating away at the budget for years as a result of being scared of letting them go for free. Players should repay their transfer fee through their performances on the pitch anyway, not their sell on price.

Eli Zee said:
I haven't seen him play in a while, and it looks like his contract is going to be up around the same time as our next game, if I'm not mistaken. Or right around then.
Isn't it like a given he's not resigning, so using the past tense is perfectly acceptable?
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I didn't mean it as a criticism. Sometimes I forget he's still here.
 
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