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Paul Pogba / turned down United offer of 300k as “nothing”
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I agree with general point but we need a midfielder anyway. People seem to miss he's not really a CM for us these days (which is why I thought we'll sell him this summer).
So he'll be a wide playmaker. I don't know. If he stays, I'm fine with that anyway. He seems a good influence around the team also.
A lot of people's main gripe seems to be around money/wages for Pogba. Yet we don't know if thats the motivation for him.
For me it isn't.
For me it isn't.
A central midfielder who can't defend is always a liability, no matter who you pair him with. I'm so sick of reading about this mythical perfect partner for Pogba.
Pogba (yet again) showed in the first game why we must keep him.If we let him it would mean we went one step forward and two steps back in this transfer window or in best case scenario it would be a status quo. What we need is another DM and we are on the right path
Just listening to TalkSPORT and Gabby Agbonglahor is explaining how his agent would plant made up stories in the papers if and when he wanted a transfer. It made me wonder: is it better or worse to go about it that way, than for your agent to just come out and say it openly? The second one initially comes across as more inflammatory, but the first could be considered a bit more sneaky/devious?
I’ve said before that, in my view, it’s best just to ignore all of the noise, but I appreciate others might not see it that way.
I’ve said before that, in my view, it’s best just to ignore all of the noise, but I appreciate others might not see it that way.
Few rumors that we have offered him contract which makes him highest paid player at the club.
If we’re offering that it’s an embarrassment but fully in line with the contracts we’ve handed out in the best.
Inconsistency and insubordination rewarded with the biggest contract at the club. Did it with De Gea so why not with him?
The running of this club is a shambles. He doesn’t want to be here and hasn’t for some time. That’s something that he’s shown off the pitch and occasionally on it. Should have gotten the fee for him when we had the chance.
Inconsistency and insubordination rewarded with the biggest contract at the club. Did it with De Gea so why not with him?
The running of this club is a shambles. He doesn’t want to be here and hasn’t for some time. That’s something that he’s shown off the pitch and occasionally on it. Should have gotten the fee for him when we had the chance.
What has he shown off and on the pitch to suggest he doesn't want to be here? I haven't seen him on any golf courses with Gary Neville in the last 6 months.
Interesting. Not the first time this happened.
Herrera also said that we were so late in offering him a contract he'd already made a deal with PSG.
Anything above 350K should not be entertained. If will cause problems with other players during their renewal. Bruno, Rashford and everyone would want higher salaries because of this.
Paul is one of the best players on his day (just last weekend proves that), but he's never managed to sustain that peak over more than a couple of games. Making him the highest paid player would be a bad idea.
Paul is one of the best players on his day (just last weekend proves that), but he's never managed to sustain that peak over more than a couple of games. Making him the highest paid player would be a bad idea.
I mean it won't. Youur output in the pitch while a major factor is not the only one.
Plenty of reasons why Pogba would be our highest paid player.
This logic ignores the fact that players have been on these sorts of wages for years at utd. De Gea has been on 370 for years...hasn't affected anything has it?
It's sad just how many people's opinions are clearly formed by what they hear/read other people say.
What do you mean? I am forming my opinion based on how he has played in the last couple of years for United. To say he has been inconsistent is almost underselling it.
And do you think keeping him on 370K a week was worth it? Absolutely not. We can't even get a good price on him if we try to, since very few clubs would be willing to match that wage.
And of course other players will look to the highest wage offered by the club as a benchmark, and negotiate accordingly.
This has literally been our biggest problem in trying to sell deadwood too. And this is not even considering the fact that Pogba has been very inconsistent to be asking those wages for us.
He's been very consistent, just his bad games get highlighted more than his good games do. Best example of this is his form since returning from injury last season. Where he was arguably our best player in that period, was was pretty much the catalyst that got us to the final. If you don't think his form in the last couple of years have warranted him being among the best paid players in our team, then there's no need for further debate.
My main point was actually about making Pogba the highest paid player causing problems for other players, and an arbitrary number such as 350k, when in reality nobody knows how much any of these guys get paid on a week to week basis and the numbers we often see are the maximum potential earned if they hit whatever negotiated bonuses, clauses & extras. Beyond that, the reason these guys get paid the sums they do, partly is because of commercial & marketing implications and Pogba is our most marketable player, alongside the likes of Rashford & Bruno, so yes if Pogba gets a bump then expect Rashford & Bruno to want a bump too - but also expect them to want a bump regardless of whether Pogba gets one too because that's what happens at any given contract negotiation.
If you were aware of your colleague's salary, and you know you produced a similar output to them - would you also not negotiate for a similar salary?
It's such a ridiculous argument.
With Madrid and Barca out of the picture there’s only really us Juve and psg that can afford the biggest wages that would be of any interest to him. We set the market as we are market leaders. Is Pogba really going to turn down 400k here to go to psg for 400 and a signing fee? He’s not going to be psyched about playing in France at all really. I reckon he’ll stick around if we are winning and he’s contributing and we are offering competitive terms. Please gawd just keep him on the left and use him centrally at the top of the 3 to keep Bruno fresh though. No more two or who will we sign so he can play in a two. Kill it with fire! We have so many tactical possibilities now but that’s one of the weakest and it hasn’t worked no matter who we put beside him for the last 5 years. Hopefully the penny has finally dropped after the stint in a 2 at the Euros and all his best performances last season for us coming off the left.
City and Chelsea can also pay his wages. He can sign for any of those clubs next summer if he doesn't extend
Doesn't seem like a great fit in either of their sides. I don't think they'll be interested.
Same here. Our need for a midfielder is actually not even connected to Pogba.
Take the Bill Belichik route (New England Patriots Head Coach), who is well-known for letting a player walk a year or two before their decline (Brady is the exception). But play him this year, hope you gain a trophy or two and then let him walk for free. It's more damaging to sign a 29 yr old to a 4 year contract, one who has shown that he can break down and be out for months than it is to let him walk and reinvest that money into a younger and more fit midfielder.
Pogba will get offered more because he's worth more to the club on a marketing level. He's the one player we have who is an international brand.
I am fairly sure that a) Marcus and Bruno understand that and b) that neither of those 2 are the kind to demand that their salaries are set by comparing their salaries and pitch outputs to Pogba's. I think the idea that salaries at this level are determined by comparison with others at the club is mainly something argued by the tabloid press when they are looking to stir up controversy/outrage.
Pogba gets offered this salary because the club want to make sure they keep him and they are not sure that they can. It is clear that Bruno wants Pogba to stay at the club based on his behaviour this week. It would be weird if United didn't keep Pogba cos they were scared how Bruno would react.
I strongly disagree about his consistency. I think he’s been (relatively) poor in more games than when he’s been great. I don’t think his bad games get highlighted any more than other star players of our club. I’m not talking about the press, but what United fans say. Of course he will get more scrutiny than someone like James cause he’s such a high profile player.
350K was just an arbitrary number, my point is he shouldn’t be paid significantly higher than his peers since he hasn’t done anything to justify it. I will concede that he may be more marketable than most, but I hope we don’t weight that too much over performances on the pitch. Also, where exactly will he be playing? We have so many players who can play from the left, and he hasn’t exactly set the world alight playing as a CM. Considering all this, he isn’t worth paying a premium.
Again you seem to be missing the point re colleagues salary. Of course you will negotiate for as much as possible with your employer. But you might personally be happy with a certain number, but if your peer gets much higher than that, you will want that too.
Touchameni (30M) + Carmavinga(30M) would be the best summber business with Hannibal ready in a year. Witht his we can have some contingency even Pogba leaves next year.
Even Ilaix Moriba from Barca looks like an ideal signing for 20M. we can easily get some money by selling Lingard/Perreara/Williams/Baily/James
Even Ilaix Moriba from Barca looks like an ideal signing for 20M. we can easily get some money by selling Lingard/Perreara/Williams/Baily/James
Which is my point, you're reiterating that he shouldn't earn more than an arbitrary number which you've pulled out the sky - for what reason? It's ridiculous and serves no purpose, plus it just feeds into the toxicity of our fanbase, as well as the overall resentment that a lot of fans have towards footballers earning the amounts that they do.
Beyond that, because of his marketability and the fact that we have no actual transparency on how these guys are paid (one week he could earn 250k, the next 300k) and a lot of the extras on top are individual based on the player, their sponsorships, image rights, and playing style - for example, Rashford & Bruno may be more incentivised for goals & top goal scorer awards, Pogba may be more incentivised by assists, Bruno may have man of the match, team of the year bonuses etc all caked in.
So even if Pogba were to renew a contract which sees him earn up to 450k a week - none of us will have any idea how that 450k is broken down. It could be 300k + 75k bonuses + 75k image rights for example - which is my point. Bruno & Rashford will negotiate a higher salary when its their time, but they may leverage more goals as a bonus because their playing style lends itself to scoring more than Pogba's. It doesn't necessarily mean that because Pogba is getting an increase, Bruno & Rashford are suddenly dissatisfied - that's such a Football Manager mentality that doesn't actually happen in real life.
But again, all of this is hypothetical and a waste of time because - none of us will have any visibility on these guys contracts, so I don't see the point in fans being up in arms about player x getting paid y amount other than feeding into the division and generating clicks for journos.
If Pogba signs a contract, he's likely to be our higest paid player. Bruno & Rashford will likely join him not too long afterwards - it's not a huge deal, and it's certainly not 'a bad idea'.
Regardless. Poster said only psg /juve could afford his probable wage demands. That's not true. City and Chelsea can which is what i was pointing out.
Of course we don't know what's happening behind the scenes. If that's the basis for not discussing this, then why is this thread, or any other thread there? None of us know jack on whats happening behind the scenes, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it.
My point is simple. Making Pogba our highest paid player is not worth it since he doesn't perform as well, and is no Ronaldo/Messi to compensate for that by virtue of his fame or marketability.
Buying a midfielder who is more 'balanced' and can potentially work in a 2 man system is much better than spending this on Pogba. If you think Pogba is a great player, or he's some extremely highly marketable superstar, then I don't have anythingin to say.
So basically you dont want us to give him a higher salary because you don't rate him.
Thankfully the club feel differently.
Any two of Bellingham, Tchouameni and Camavinga coming in plus Garner and Mejbri being promoted to the first team alongside Fernandes, McTominay and Fred is an abundance of talent and variety.
Yeah they felt the same about DDG, Rooney and Sanchez when handing out those massive contracts. Hopefully we'd have learnt form that.
DDG is one of our best keepers ever, Rooney is our top goal scorer, and Sanchez is clearly an outlier in which we paid extra for his wages to offset his transfer cost.
Not exactly a great argument.
I think it's Ole making the decision to keep Pogba now. I trust his decisions cos he's proven himself to be an excellent squad-builder so far. I'd be disappointed if he told the club that he really wants to keep Pogba and the club didn't do everything in their power to get him to sign a new contract. I think that would mean they weren't backing the manager.
It's not what they did, the former two are top players for us, but it's when it was given that's the problem. Also one difference, you could argue that the former deserved it based on merit, which Pogba hasn't.
That's the one good thing about all this. Ole has proven himself to make the right decisions with the squad, so hopefully he's the one pushing for this.
Merit is subjective, clearly the club think he's worth it (particularly with the commercial & marketing implications) and considering you don't rate his performances in the last couple of years, you're clearly not going to accept any decision that gives him a payrise.
Like I said, thankfully the club think differently to you.
Is this serious?
Haha yeah. The club have been such a phenomenal judge of their own players under this regime. No disastrous contracts handed out whatsoever.
Laughable fanbase.