Ubik
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Telles having a whale of a time.
Toure is arguably the best midfielder to play in the prem. Besides, him and Pogba play nothing alike. Same with Scholes.
I don’t think that anyone that has watched Pogba play at United can genuinely say he doesn’t create or struggles to assist with the amount of chances he has created that our forwards have failed to convert. Now he’s playing a deeper role as Bruno plays in front, of course he’s not going to be assisting or creating as much
this is a very recent memory. He was great in his first 2/3 seasons, the worst started when he fell out with Jose and then recovered his form again under Ole. Since his ankle injury though he hasn't got back to anywhere near his best, that's a worry.There's nothing as annoying as listening to one of our fans trying to argue that Pogba has been our best player since he arrived here. This is the guy that has been criticised from absolutely everybody, ex players, ex opposition players, fans. He's been moved all over the pitch by two managers to try to get him preforming. And yet there's people talking as if you must be an absolute idiot to not see he's been our best player.
Either they're unbelievably deluded or they're right and I have a deep down, subconscious
hatred for Pogba, the same player I lambasted us for selling and constantly said I hope we'd bring back.
It's not a crazy opinion to me. Could play anywhere from CB to 10. Impossible to tackle, long pass, vision, dribbling, powerful shooting, free-kicks, crossing, left foot, right foot. Could build up, dictate tempo, create, be on the end of the chances, counter from his own box on his own all to a world class level. It was a joke really.Aye man I said arguably. I can’t think of too many midfielders that could hang with Toure. Guy was imperial.
Legit think he’s the most important player in City’s history.
There's nothing as annoying as listening to one of our fans trying to argue that Pogba has been our best player since he arrived here. This is the guy that has been criticised from absolutely everybody, ex players, ex opposition players, fans. He's been moved all over the pitch by two managers to try to get him preforming. And yet there's people talking as if you must be an absolute idiot to not see he's been our best player.
Either they're unbelievably deluded or they're right and I have a deep down, subconscious
hatred for Pogba, the same player I lambasted us for selling and constantly said I hope we'd bring back.
True, but I still think it's what we ultimately need. Pogba at Juve was at least closer to that kind of player, no? then he came to United and only seems to be able to hit the post or miles wide.
There're so many wrongs with this statement.Ole said:"I'm sure in the next couple of years we'll get the best out of him."
It's not a crazy opinion to me. Could play anywhere from CB to 10. Impossible to tackle, long pass, vision, dribbling, powerful shooting, free-kicks, crossing, left foot, right foot. Could build up, dictate tempo, create, be on the end of the chances, counter from his own box on his own all to a world class level. It was a joke really.
He was the catalyst that started their domination off. Winners and motm performances in semis & finals galore to win their first trophies. He was the epitome of a big game player for them. I regard him as their most important player too.
This is too much. He never did - he merely contributed along the way while the others are usually the one that do the heavy lifting with him making the flashy lifting at those times.Pogba has at times, carried United on his back
This is too much. He never did - he merely contributed along the way while the others are usually the one that do the heavy lifting with him making the flashy lifting at those times.
That said, he is definitely our front runners when it comes to creating chances.
That's it, while he often disappoints us in other aspects eg. discipline with his silly bookings, handballs, invisibility disappearing in games, terrible games throwing tantrums, off field antics with his comments, etc etc.
A poor City legend who couldn’t even get a birthday cake from his own team, which triggered his leaving.Aye man I said arguably. I can’t think of too many midfielders that could hang with Toure. Guy was imperial.
Legit think he’s the most important player in City’s history.
Yeah. He's way underrated, maybe it's just because we're on a Man Utd forum and he did kill us over the years. SAF would have had at least a few extra titles if it wasn't for him.Exactly. Pretty much how I see it.
Mate, I think you are flattering Bruno just a tad. Bruno’s scored only four non-penalty goals for United. Since signing, he has had the team set up for him to thrive and his use of the ball is incredibly aggressive. He’s a fantastic penalty taker, but he’s been here for 26 games now and scored four goals away from the penalty spot. His output has evaporated over our last 15 matches.I'd say Bruno has already equaled Pogba's length for a sustained period of really top performances and he's only been here less than a year.
Mate, I think you are flattering Bruno just a tad. Bruno’s scored only four non-penalty goals for United. Since signing, he has had the team set up for him to thrive and his use of the ball is incredibly aggressive. He’s a fantastic penalty taker, but he’s been here for 26 games now and scored four goals away from the penalty spot. His output has evaporated over our last 15 matches.
It is as if people’s opinion on Bruno was set after his first ten games, and he carries that credit for his next 50. People can lament Pogba’s start to this season, but Bruno is just as great a concern right now.
Go back to fifa.Swap him + Martial for Haaland.
I think having Haaland as our main striker with Mason as an impact sub + a new CB will make us a genuine threat. Cavani will be a great help to the youngsters too.
Haaland needs to be here asap and we should do whatever we can to get him. Pogba would be a starter for Dortmund.
The reality is that it's somewhere in between. He hasn't been as good as some people make out, but he has been better than others go on about.There's nothing as annoying as listening to one of our fans trying to argue that Pogba has been our best player since he arrived here. This is the guy that has been criticised from absolutely everybody, ex players, ex opposition players, fans. He's been moved all over the pitch by two managers to try to get him preforming. And yet there's people talking as if you must be an absolute idiot to not see he's been our best player.
Either they're unbelievably deluded or they're right and I have a deep down, subconscious
hatred for Pogba, the same player I lambasted us for selling and constantly said I hope we'd bring back.
Are you not a fan of swapping TWO of our best players for a 19 year old?Go back to fifa.
Hope I get proven wrong but I don’t think Ole has the guts to drop him. I agree that VDB should start and give Pogba a rest for the PSG game.Really hope he’s being dropped. We need to send message to everyone that you are all droppable even for someone with 2nd highest wages in the team if you are underperforming. Beside, nothing hurts to put Pogba on the bench, it gives another bench option to bring on if worst case the score still 0-0 in 60th min. And also we got PSG midweek, Pogba can rest today and play in that game instead rotate with Bruno.
Name me one player in the squad who is capable of definitely scoring 25+ goals a season. I know we're overstocked in the attacking department, but in order to win titles you need the cream of the crop forward, and unfortunately as it stands, we don't have that. Fixing the CB and RW problem will help solve loads, but they still won't make us a title winning team. Who is our Cantona? or Aguero? or Rooney? We don't have that kind of player in the squad, and like I said, we may guarantee top 4 with an RW and CB, but never the title.Go back to fifa.
I mean, Cantona only scored 25 goals once, and otherwise never scored more than 19. Rooney only scored 25+ goals twice. Kind of strange players to mention to say we need a true goalscorer.Name me one player in the squad who is capable of definitely scoring 25+ goals a season. I know we're overstocked in the attacking department, but in order to win titles you need the cream of the crop forward, and unfortunately as it stands, we don't have that. Fixing the CB and RW problem will help solve loads, but they still won't make us a title winning team. Who is our Cantona? or Aguero? or Rooney? We don't have that kind of player in the squad, and like I said, we may guarantee top 4 with an RW and CB, but never the title.
My point is that none of our current forwards, bar Mason if he molds into quality stuff (I believe he will,) are ever going to reach legendary status. We have a mentality of overvaluing our good players. Martial is definitely a good player, but is he a top top forward that will net us a title? Never. Rashford is great, but too inconsistent, and Mason is too young. Ighalo doesn't even need to be mentioned. Name me one player in our current squad that would be a starter for United circa 95-2008. Not one player would get into any of those teams because our standard has dropped so low. Top 4 finishes are on the horizon for the next few seasons until we do a major overhaul regarding forwards. I'm pushing hard for Haaland because he looks like a world beater already who relishes pressure, and swapping "two of our best players" as someone stated in the thread for him, will get us a much stronger XI on paper and in action. The fact that Pogba and Martial are the top players in this United squad is saddening.I mean, Cantona only scored 25 goals once, and otherwise never scored more than 19. Rooney only scored 25+ goals twice. Kind of strange players to mention to say we need a true goalscorer.
They both bought a lot more to the team than just a pure goalscorer, and the argument is that Martial does too. At least on his good days anyway, and that's where the issue is. He needs to be consistent, and make sure he's impacting the game even on his off days.
I would say both Martial and Rashford have the potential to do so. I'm not necessarily confident that they will, but they do have the ability. It has to be remembered that last season was the first time Martial had a full season as a striker and he scored 23 goals despite being injured for over a month, and many feel he was our best player over the course of the season. Rashford seemed to be in the process of taking the step up to the top level when he suffered the injury, so hopefully he can put that behind him and get back to that level.My point is that none of our current forwards, bar Mason if he molds into quality stuff (I believe he will,) are ever going to reach legendary status. We have a mentality of overvaluing our good players. Martial is definitely a good player, but is he a top top forward that will net us a title? Never. Rashford is great, but too inconsistent, and Mason is too young. Ighalo doesn't even need to be mentioned. Name me one player in our current squad that would be a starter for United circa 95-2008. Not one player would get into any of those teams because our standard has dropped so low. Top 4 finishes are on the horizon for the next few seasons until we do a major overhaul regarding forwards. I'm pushing hard for Haaland because he looks like a world beater already who relishes pressure, and swapping "two of our best players" as someone stated in the thread for him, will get us a much stronger XI on paper and in action. The fact that Pogba and Martial are the top players in this United squad is saddening.
You're having an absolute nightmare in this thread. I'm all for getting Haaland in as well but I think you need to try being a little more realistic. This isn't fifa, our board would never allow any manager (and rightly so) to trade Martial and Pogba for a 19 year old. This is without even touching on the fact that Dortmund wouldn't be able to pay either of their wages. As far as I'm aware, Haaland has a release clause that kicks in next summer or the summer after, we should look to buy him then.Name me one player in the squad who is capable of definitely scoring 25+ goals a season. I know we're overstocked in the attacking department, but in order to win titles you need the cream of the crop forward, and unfortunately as it stands, we don't have that. Fixing the CB and RW problem will help solve loads, but they still won't make us a title winning team. Who is our Cantona? or Aguero? or Rooney? We don't have that kind of player in the squad, and like I said, we may guarantee top 4 with an RW and CB, but never the title.
Didn’t put a foot wrong. We were better with him.