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Was he like this at Juventus, week in week out? Seemed like he had an incredible highlight compilation every week there, but those performances are rare at Man Utd.
Pogba wasn't great today but, as I'm not in training with him, I've no idea how badly he was hit by COVID19.
All that aside, as much as it hurts me to admit it, I sympathise with Pogba not wanting to sign a new deal. His prime years will be up in two or three seasons. Why stay at a club that seems to have no ambition other than to scrape Champions League qualification to keep the finances looking happy?
Was he like this at Juventus, week in week out? Seemed like he had an incredible highlight compilation every week there, but those performances are rare at Man Utd.
What Ince can do with a football, Pogba can do with an orange.
It seems we have aged Rooney mk 2.
When he's fit and performs badly he's not fit and the manager shouldn't have selected him. When he's fit and he is fit but performs poorly he's been positioned 9 metres from his ideal position and therefore can't play effectively. When he's fit and performs adaquatly offensively but completely reneges on his responsibilities defensively it's his partners fault for not being a peak hybrid of Makelele and Keane. When he just about scrapes by defensively but does nothing offensively he's having to cover defensively for mediocrity (or see 9 metre positional problem), despite stats showing he did little of the sort.
Truly good players are good players regardless. They don't play for 4 full years and not stand out in either good, decent or mediocre teams. They don't get overlooked in award ceremonies year after year when the likes of Shaw, Herrera and a goalkeeper; or a bloke that literally signed a dozen games before the end of the season get recognised.
Great players are great players and Pogba ain't one I'm afraid.
DVB will soon be replacing this guy.
DVB will soon be replacing this guy.
I dont know where Ole will fit DVB in, but he will be starting games make no mistake of that. You find room for your best players, when he came on yesterday he looked a different level to me. His touch, his control, his movement. Looks a good playerDo you think Ole will play DVB at DM?
I dont know where Ole will fit DVB in, but he will be starting games make no mistake of that. You find room for your best players, when he came on yesterday he looked a different level to me. His touch, his control, his movement. Looks a good player
Did you watch the game? What did you think?
This.....a million times this, sums it up exactly with Pogba. I'd be willing to bet every penny I have that once again this season, for all of the reasons you have outlined above, he will not be in the running for any of the club player of the year awards, never mind the overall league awards.
I said it in another thread, or maybe it was this one, but we will nothing bar the odd cup so long as he stays in the team. You cant have somebody in midfield who has no passion, fight, work rate or discipline. I really thought he was off when we signed DVB but unfortunately it appears not.
I'm sure he will have a good game again in a few weeks against Brighton or somebody and everyone will think he is great again.
Your last posts that I have seen belong in the Bondi sewage. Paul was not match fit yesterday evidenced by his heavy breathing at 50mins, maybe giflord could post that so that was in no way a typical performance but nevertheless they were others who were worst.If he has always been two footed then can you tell me how many goals he has scored with his left foot apart from the WC goal as that is how I judge a two footed attacking player.
Your comment about it not being his best game I agree with as I think it is his average game in a Utd shirt but his passing was piss poor and belongs with the sewage outfall well off Bondi Beach.
Arent all of Fernandes's..Weren't 8 of those penalties?
Nonsense.His reputation is much higher than his performances ever are. I have a pattern of discussion with my Liverpool supporting brother where I give the same opinion for Firmino. At least, Firmino has the luxury of having others who are significantly better than him. Pogba will never be the leader or the player who takes the game by the scruff of the neck.
He switched the play twice with his left, once it went astray and the other went to Shaw which opened up Palace. There is nothing bizarre about that but cannot say the same for your post.Thought he was very poor yesterday, he is incapable of keeping it simple and has a bizarre obsession with trying to switch play with his wrong foot, and it meant he gave it away a number of times.
He's a problem for Ole, difficult player to drop but shouldn't be in the side at the moment, Fred looks a better option.
Nonsense.
Didn't posters like you say Fernandes was that player and not Paul? Why revisit it.
Your last posts that I have seen belong in the Bondi sewage. Paul was not match fit yesterday evidenced by his heavy breathing at 50mins, maybe giflord could post that so that was in no way a typical performance but nevertheless they were others who were worst.
Since you have doubled down the silly left foot post if I understand correctly a player is not two footed unless he scores with his weaker foot?! Even if those were the metrics he has already scored for us with his left in more emphatic fashion than for France.
Arent all of Fernandes's..
Nonsense.
Didn't posters like you say Fernandes was that player and not Paul? Why revisit it.
He switched the play twice with his left, once it went astray and the other went to Shaw which opened up Palace. There is nothing bizarre about that but cannot say the same for your post.
He should not be in the side until he fully recovers and gets match fit but nothing to do with anyone being a better option. As often as he gave the ball away yesterday 5 or 6 times he was our most incisive passer yet again, always is.
Resorting to name calling makes you come across worse in all honesty.When you’re replying to an individual post, I would suggest keeping terms like “posters like you” to a minimum. It makes you sound like an entitled idiot and your entire point redundant for the simple reason because I have never commented what you’ve pointed to. If you want to address a wider audience, then don’t quote my post you stupid troll.
No greater troll than the one who keeps spreading untruths about any player especially one that plays in this team.When you’re replying to an individual post, I would suggest keeping terms like “posters like you” to a minimum. It makes you sound like an entitled idiot and your entire point redundant for the simple reason because I have never commented what you’ve pointed to. If you want to address a wider audience, then don’t quote my post you stupid troll.
Resorting to name calling makes you come across worse in all honesty.
No greater troll than the one who keeps spreading untruths about any player especially one that plays in this team.
As to if you are stupid as well, ask your brother.
Then why not just say that? Name calling comes across as childish and is not needed in a mature person having opinion based discussions.You can refer to any post I’ve made and the language I’ve used in the past. I don’t appreciate quotes being attributed to me which I have never said.
What untruths? That he’s not a leader or his reputation being higher than his performances. It’s called having an opinion.
Great insult btw.
He lacks press resistance.
100% long passing accuracy with 7 out of 7
71.7% short passing accuracy with 33 out of 46
Basically, if you give him space he can use his brilliant technique and vision to switch the play and hurt you. But if you press him quickly, he's the weakest link in the midfield. Palace did it yesterday, but it's happened time and again in the last few months.
The best way to get out of this conundrum is to change the way we play out of the back in order to skip over Pogba during defence-to-attack transistions. But then, if you consistently skip over Pogba, there's not much point in having him in the side. I'm not sure what the solution is short of building the team around making him a passenger.
I just don't think he is suited in recieving the ball so deep. He has the technical skill for it, but to me, his biggest issue has always been positioning. I would like to see him in a 2 man midfield with say Matic as the sole DM or closer to the box as a 10 where he is most dangerous. The only solutions I can think of is play a Diamond which we lack the attacking width from fullback for, or switch to a 433 where Matic is our only DM.He lacks press resistance.
100% long passing accuracy with 7 out of 7
71.7% short passing accuracy with 33 out of 46
Basically, if you give him space he can use his brilliant technique and vision to switch the play and hurt you. But if you press him quickly, he's the weakest link in the midfield. Palace did it yesterday, but it's happened time and again in the last few months.
The best way to get out of this conundrum is to change the way we play out of the back in order to skip over Pogba during defence-to-attack transistions. But then, if you consistently skip over Pogba, there's not much point in having him in the side. I'm not sure what the solution is short of building the team around making him a passenger.
Arent all of Fernandes's..
Because all he is is a highlights player. At Juve he was a cherry on top of a really good cake. Pirlo, Marchisio and Vidal did all the midfielding. Pogba offered some quality moments and star dust. That's what he is. He isnt and has never been a player to run the game, he's not a player for a key role in there to perform over the 90 minutes. Its moments within those 90 minutes that are his biggest qualities. His reputation/perception is so far removed from his actual level and playing style, never seen anything like it with any other player before.Was he like this at Juventus, week in week out? Seemed like he had an incredible highlight compilation every week there, but those performances are rare at Man Utd.
Then why not just say that? Name calling comes across as childish and is not needed in a mature person having opinion based discussions.
Best to put him on ignore. He’s on my list. He never posts anything of sense.
Bang on the head with what you said though. As I have already mentioned, I have a soft spot for Pogba but he seems a player who needs a specific system to get the best out of him and without a competent ball winner next to him, don't think he suits the 2 man midfield.Sure. Didn’t mean to be so uncouth. Also, don’t mean to come across as a Pogba hater as well. I think he’s one of our most talented players who just doesn’t justify his potential. Hence, remains the most frustrating one.
McTominay had 92% pass completion and 3 key passes.He wasn't in our transition from defence to attack much yesterday. That was McTominay which is the main reason we couldn't build a thing
Yes 92 percent not progressing the play. Pogba had a very bad game.McTominay had 92% pass completion and 3 key passes.
Pogba had 75.5% pass completion and had 0 key passes.
What point are you arguing? I'm talking about Pogba's lack of press resistance.Yes 92 percent not progressing the play. Pogba had a very bad game.
However our build up didnt work because of McTom and the position he played. Better we put VDB where McTom was and McTom where Pogba was yday.
What point are you arguing? I'm talking about Pogba's lack of press resistance.
The best way to get out of this conundrum is to change the way we play out of the back in order to skip over Pogba during defence-to-attack transistions.
It's really strange to invite pressure almost every time you receive the ball then. I am still waiting for Pogba to show me he is remotely close being worth his pricetag.He lacks press resistance.
100% long passing accuracy with 7 out of 7
71.7% short passing accuracy with 33 out of 46
Basically, if you give him space he can use his brilliant technique and vision to switch the play and hurt you. But if you press him quickly, he's the weakest link in the midfield. Palace did it yesterday, but it's happened time and again in the last few months.
The best way to get out of this conundrum is to change the way we play out of the back in order to skip over Pogba during defence-to-attack transistions. But then, if you consistently skip over Pogba, there's not much point in having him in the side. I'm not sure what the solution is short of building the team around making him a passenger.
