Couldn't agree more. Spurs away, when on form is the most difficult proposition in the league right now apart from City.
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Couldn't agree more. Spurs away, when on form is the most difficult proposition in the league right now apart from City.
It almost felt like a protest performance from Pogba. I do hope not......
Did Herrera and Fellaini do better?
is anyone going to apologise to Scholes?
Fellaini? He was on for like 3 fecking minutes.
Fellaini was injured about 30 seconds after coming on.
Herrera was poor. But the game was long gone by the time he came on anyway
Buy 90 million pound player who prefers to play on the left of a midfield three . Then play him on the right of a midfield two, just what could go wrong. The manager is much to blame you can't invest this much on a player and then not create an environment for him to thrive in.
Good point here, Matic suffered for the same reason.
But there is truth in this observation too. It's the worrying bit.
Did anybody post this already?
What do you mean? Do you think he's fecked off because Alexis is here, or with the position he was asked to play, or both?
I do hope not as egos need to be left at the door, we haven't got time for that.
Position that did not suit him? I am sorry but be a professional, do a job for the team, the game is not about him alone.
Agreed. However, if he has a problem, Jose better nip that in the bud asap. In any case we give him the benefit of the doubt until we know otherwise.
If Fellaini wasn't match fit then Jose shouldn't brought him on into a high demanding game like this. Taking Pogba off meant he was throwing in the towel and settling for 2-0. Herrera kept giving the ball away so I can't say those subs were a success.
Throwing players on in an incompetent system doesnt help anyone.. I thought Mou got everything wrong tonight.. Fellaini and Mata when you need athletics, pace and power?.. Herrera and Rashford should have come on in the first place..
And some here need to take a good look this is the Pogba thread who by the way was terrible, pointing out that Fellaini or Herrera were poor aswell doesn't help one bit.. Neither Fellaini or Herrera are the star player but sadly this form in big games from Pogba is fast becoming standard rather than a fluke. He needs to take a hard look and start acting like a proper player and not the poser he seems to be...
And some here need to take a good look this is the Pogba thread who by the way was terrible, pointing out that Fellaini or Herrera were poor aswell doesn't help one bit.. Neither Fellaini or Herrera are the star player but sadly this form in big games from Pogba is fast becoming standard rather than a fluke. He needs to take a hard look and start acting like a proper player and not the poser he seems to be...
He should be capable of doing a job if that is what is asked of him.
That said, we need to play 433, it’s the only way.
That said, we need to play 433, it’s the only way.
With who though? Herrera? No thanks. He’s been rubbish this season.
And before anyone tries to tell me he was our best player last season, I’m going to call them a fecking liar. Zlatan was. And the only reason Herrera picked up that award was because Ibra wasn’t in attendance.
If we signed a CM like Vidal or Nainggolan, I’d be all for playing a 433 with Matic and Pogba. But the fact is, Lingard has been our best player this season and needs to play in the 10.
Really bad performance from him. Not because his touch was off or his passing radar was off, but because mentally he was not in the right place. He was asked to do a job and totally deserted his defensive responsibilities. Matic was made to look bad because he was isolated with no support from Pogba.
Yes, Jose should have started with three in midfield to allow Pogba the attacking freedom. But as a team player, when you are asked to do a job for the better of the team, you do it, even if it is not what you want to do. Pogba has all the physical and technical attributes to perform the job that was expected to do today. IMO, he just chose not to do it.
Yes, Jose should have started with three in midfield to allow Pogba the attacking freedom. But as a team player, when you are asked to do a job for the better of the team, you do it, even if it is not what you want to do. Pogba has all the physical and technical attributes to perform the job that was expected to do today. IMO, he just chose not to do it.
What chances did he create? Stop trying to protect him. When he's shit just say it. Literally did nothing bar one cross field pass. He deserves to be racked the same way lukaku was after the city match.
I think Herrera is poor also, which is why we should have signed CM’s in this window or even last year. That being said, I’d still prefer Herrera in a 3 to that shit show we just witness and always witness against any side with quality.
Simply not responsible enough to play at a high level in a 2 man midfield. Jose should be building his team around Pogba's strengths, not trying to shoehorn him into a system which restricts all of his best attributes and doesn't give him the freedom to hurt teams offensively.
His lack of energy today was unforgivable. Did not even bother to help matic defensively. This nonsense about 3 man midfield is just an excuse. He has enough energy to contribute defensively especially when sanchez takes some of the offensive responsibilities. He needs to get his head screwed on properly.
Lingards chance first half, Pogba puts him through. The shot from Lukaku again with a Pogba pass.
He had a bad game but Jose isnt helping him at all.
Huh? It was pretty much the exact opposite. Matic played poorly, but at least he was trying. Pogba barely did that. There were two or three good through balls, but that was about it.
This guy has no fight in him, none at all. This is coming from someone who actually likes him. When I see him play, I just get the feeling hes just playing for himself, trying to prove to everyone how good he is. The amount of times he loses a 50:50 and just stands there throwing his arms is so infuriating. I mean I've seen people play with more heart and desire in 5 a side games!
Hes got all the talent in the world, he just doesn't have that mentality the absolute top players in the world have like Ronaldo had with us. The mentality to win at all costs no matter what. He's basically our Hazard (not quite there yet even).
Hes got all the talent in the world, he just doesn't have that mentality the absolute top players in the world have like Ronaldo had with us. The mentality to win at all costs no matter what. He's basically our Hazard (not quite there yet even).
Was he substituted due to injury or purely tactical? On TV they said they heard something about an injury, but didn’t seem like an injury substitution.
I thought he was shite to, but I remember him creating a chance for lukaku
It's not possible to know, of course. How is the Pogba/Jose dynamic going?
Might Paul not be feeling the love, not being the best-paid/most written about player anymore, a lot of attention on the piano-tinkling new guy? It is possible to imagine that having some effect (awful if it has, but he is young, and human, and very egotistical and attention-seeking). If he did feel that way, other grieviances, like not loving Jose's tactical set-up (hard to blame him in this respect) might be made worse. But if anything like that actually was afoot, Jose showed no signs of it in his post match. He seemed calm, like everything was ok, just annoying how the mistake was made for the first goal. Like it was a decent enough performance, a kind of failed draw. Very different interview in tone to Conte's pessimistic, downbeat vibe. No need to over-react, yet, anyway.
Good question.
We shouldn’t be surprised about his performance. When does he ever show up in big games? He bottles it as usual. He will never be world class until he improves, as he is terrible against the best teams.
He needs to be managed better. He cares more about his off field activity. The worst thing is that Rashford, who was once very hard-working and cared only about his football has started looking up to Pogba and has gone the same way. Pogba is the center of our team and soembody needs to tell him to stop the haircuts until he starts living up to the price-tag. In big games he is simply a joke.
What absolute fecking nonsense.
You know, a little part of me wondered if Pogba would get slightly fecked off with the attention Sanchez got... especially as he shares the same agent with Miki etc.
We'll see what happens but I really don't want any situation like this. We're a team, and United pay these players a lot. They need to do their job and park their egos elsewhere.
Jose needs to use all his skills to keep that sort of thing in check. Times like this you're reminded how great SAF was as a manager. How on earth he controlled a dressing room for so many years filled with egos, and still managed to get them playing as a team is just incredible.
Again, look at the actual game before posting lies. 1) Lingard was played through on goal after a really nice flick/pass from Pogba - this happened after 3 minutes - were you out taking a piss? 2) Plays Lukaku through on the left side which enables him to wrestle past a defender and shoot on goal, only to be saved by Lloris. Big chance. This happened in the 56th minute. Pogba, although poor like the rest of our players, created our only two chances in this game.
Play him in behind Lukaku with Sanchez on the left and Lingard on the right, we just need to buy another sitting midfielder to help Matic out a little.
Wouldn't completely put it down to him, though his levels drop loads. But he isn't capable of playing the role Mourinho asks him to play so it's doomed from the start. He's had a few good performances in big games, coincidentally only came the times we played a midfield 3 and he had less defensive responsibility. Of course he still needs to defend, but defending as part of a midfield 3 where you are the most creative player is way different to being part of a double pivot.
Bullied from the off by Dembele. As much as we know playing in a double pivot doesn't suit him, wouldn't you think when he's picked there he'd grit the teeth and put in a disciplined shift anyway? I mean when your picked in a two you obviously have responsibilities going backwards, which he just blatantly ignores at times. Left Matic and the two centre halves so exposed today by wandering around the pitch. He has all the ability in the world on his day and is probably our most important player, but cannot be played in a two again.
I just watched the actual presser post-match, as opposed to the interview. Jose says it was a tactical decision to take Paul off. We needed to 'try different qualities. With different players'. Hmm.
Some of what I said back in 2016 is coming to pass. We signed a top player to waste his ability.
Pogba alone won't solve our problems. He is used to having top players around him. Even if you take Pogba out of Juventus. They still have a better centre midfield than us.
Carrick/Schweinsteiger - Old/no legs injury prone. Herrera/Schneiderlin are promising but are no where near top level yet.
I think for Pogba to do well. We would need Kroos/Matuidi also. You could argue that buying Kroos & Matuidi is better option.
Pogba is not a Luka Modric the type of player that will dictate play he is someone who needs to be as forward as possible to be effective.
If you look at the players Pogba had around (Pirlo, Vidal & Marchisio) him in the 4 years he has been a Juventus and look at what they have no now compared to our current Central midfield the gulf is huge.
Pjanić was my number no.1 target this summer. Disappointed we didn't move for him.
Not saying I would not sign Pogba I still would but I think he needs a proper partner to truly thrive. We have too many squad/peripheral players, that extend beyond just the midfield.
I don't see the likes of Young, Lingard, Jones, Rojo, Valencia & Memphis setting the world alight for us. We know what most of them are capable of few of them should have been shipped years ago.
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Pogba alone won't solve our problems. He is used to having top players around him. Even if you take Pogba out of Juventus. They still have a better centre midfield than us.
Carrick/Schweinsteiger - Old/no legs injury prone. Herrera/Schneiderlin are promising but are no where near top level yet.
I think for Pogba to do well. We would need Kroos/Matuidi also. You could argue that buying Kroos & Matuidi is better option.
Pogba is not a Luka Modric the type of player that will dictate play he is someone who needs to be as forward as possible to be effective.
If you look at the players Pogba had around (Pirlo, Vidal & Marchisio) him in the 4 years he has been a Juventus and look at what they have no now compared to our current Central midfield the gulf is huge.
Pjanić was my number no.1 target this summer. Disappointed we didn't move for him.
Not saying I would not sign Pogba I still would but I think he needs a proper partner to truly thrive. We have too many squad/peripheral players, that extend beyond just the midfield.
I don't see the likes of Young, Lingard, Jones, Rojo, Valencia & Memphis setting the world alight for us. We know what most of them are capable of few of them should have been shipped years ago.
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Yeah? Rashford hasn't started strutting around thinking he's Cristiano Ronaldo? Rashford has 100% become more lazy and self-entitled.
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