[Bojan11]

He was awful today. Did very little on the ball.

 

[sullydnl]

Still not at all convinced by him.

 

[Member 109952]

No it’s not.

You get the point I'm making, I hate these one line posts that do nothing to reply to the actual argument I'm making. I've gotten about 10 of those in the last week and it's beyond annoying.

 

[11101]

Felt sorry for him today. He played fairly well but was let down by those ahead of him, who were all terrible.

 

[el3mel]

Has been very poor since his return from the ban.

 

[BluesJr]

Been fairly rubbish since coming back from the suspension. Shame as he was looking like dynamite. He needs to find a consistency level that he never drops below.

 

[sammsky1]

He was awful today. Did very little on the ball.

He had been awful since he came back from suspension, plus the negative impact from missing those key games.

Its all very well to boss it against lower teams or when rest of team is firing like start of the season but his contributions since November have been irreverent.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Felt sorry for him today. He played fairly well but was let down by those ahead of him, who were all terrible.

Jesus. No was also very very below par

 

[MemphisDepay]

You get the point I'm making, I hate these one line posts that do nothing to reply to the actual argument I'm making. I've gotten about 10 of those in the last week and it's beyond annoying.

I don’t get the point. A £90million footballer who constantly gets excused for a number of reasons when he doesn’t perform ‘he’s just come back from an injury’, ‘he’s rusty’, ‘he’s not playing in the right position’. I could go on. How is it not fair to criticise him? Can he only play well when he’s 100% fit and got match rhythm and in his so called correct position? Because if that’s the case he’ll never be the dominant midfielder we want him to be.

 

[Devil may care]

I'm a huge fan but he was mediocre today, looked like he was playing within himself a lot, I will say that Ibra stuck in the middle didn't help him in comparison to when he's palying with the mobility and movement of Lingard in there.

 

[sammsky1]

Still not at all convinced by him.

Neither am I. Plenty of evidence to illustrate this.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Out of form currently.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Poor again clearly in bad form. 3 straight poor games now. Confidence need to come back. You still see him doing a lot of good things, but he mix it with a lot of stupid things too. Not sure Mourinho is managing him well enough to get the best out of him. Although I guess we also see some of his limits.

 

[ash_86]

Was shit today. Either we're not using him right or he's in poor form

 

[Greck]

Were we watching the same game? He was good in the first half and quiet in the second. At worst an average performance

 

[11101]

Jesus. No was also very very below par

Won the ball back plenty of times, didn't lose it, and created a perfect chance for Rashford. Not his best game but we had many worse than him today.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Were we watching the same game? He was good in the first half and quiet in the second. At worst an average performance

That is out of form for Pogba.

 

[Member 109952]

I don’t get the point. A £90million footballer who constantly gets excused for a number of reasons when he doesn’t perform ‘he’s just come back from an injury’, ‘he’s rusty’, ‘he’s not playing in the right position’. I could go on. How is it not fair to criticise him? Can he only play well when he’s 100% fit and got match rhythm and in his so called correct position? Because if that’s the case he’ll never be the dominant midfielder we want him to be.

He's been one of our best players in the games he's played, much better than the attacking dross we have up front like Mata, Mikhi and Rashford. Yes he wasn't great today but I gave a reason for that, you can't just suddenly disregard how good he's been in previous games barring the last 2 games.

 

[Flames73]

Unfair to criticise him because Rojo going off meant Matic essentially become our second defender, and Pogba had to drop deep often. Would've been far better to keep him up top as that's where he does the most damage. With hindsight a bad choice by Mou I think to drop Matic and Pogba back so deep.

I disagree. Matic, being our second defender, looked for the ball, drove forward with the ball, was on the front foot, sprayed passes, and tried to unlock the defense. Those should be Pogba's job. He didn't do it at all, he hid from the ball and all he did was wave whoever had the ball forward. He was at no point looking for the ball.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Thought he was pretty decent.

 

[Member 109952]

I disagree. Matic, being our second defender, looked for the ball, drove forward with the ball, was on the front foot, sprayed passes, and tried to unlock the defense. Those should be Pogba's job. He didn't do it at all, he hid from the ball and all he did was wave whoever had the ball forward. He was at no point looking for the ball.

I guess yeah, but he's not helped by the fact that not one of our attacking players can neither beat a man nor know how to make a forward run. Matic despite all his efforts ended up passing it to the wing to whip a cross in 90% of the time. The other 10% he passed it into traffic in the middle.

 

[Canagel]

It's been a stop start season for Pogba which is very frustrating. There is no point in him playing so deep all the time. Buy another creative midfielder who can do that job and push Pogba forward so he can get closer to the goal and it allows him to link up with the striker too. Pogba needs to be in and around the box not collecting balls from CB's.

 

[Dobbs]

His performance was ok but the idea our performance as a team hinges on him should end now. That's not his fault but is nevertheless true.

 

[Freak]

What happened to us getting back to ticking and scoring lots of goals with him coming back?

 

[Silas]

I thought he was ok. He had to play a lot more conservatively in the 2nd half to allow Shaw, Lingard and Rashford to push forward, so I'm not going to be too critical of him for lack of offensive contribution. It was essentially him, Matic and Jones in a back 3 at points.

 

[limerickcitykid]

He isn't good enough at creating and attacking to be a #10 or given a free role and as of late he has been nowhere near good enough defensively to be a #8. He seems to think he can defend and track back whenever and wherever he wants.

Before the free kick for their 2nd he literally stood about 10-15 yards upfield doing nothing just watching the play at the edge of the box. If he'd have got involved maybe we wouldn't have gave away the free kick, maybe we would have. But either way he stands around and drifts around the pitch getting involved whenever he seems to want to way too much. And his attacking play isn't close to making up for it.

 

[Flames73]

I guess yeah, but he's not helped by the fact that not one of our attacking players can neither beat a man nor know how to make a forward run. Matic despite all his efforts ended up passing it to the wing to whip a cross in 90% of the time. The other 10% he passed it into traffic in the middle.

I agree the attackers aren't helping, but if it was him supplying the passes maybe things would have been different? In the end that is his role, not Matic. He has a wider variety of tricks and larger passing range and better vision and more flair, but my main point this game (and a bit of the last too) was that he didn't want the ball unless it fell from the sky into his feet.

I know he can be so much better. I remember him coming back from injury and he looked a trillion miles better than anyone in the game, but now he just is not showing up.

Another point I want to make is that I don't think he is ready to be captain yet. He doesn't lead, command, organize. Also, maybe it is just me, but I would want my captain talking to the ref, not Ashely Young flying in from RB to talk to the red about an incident at LW (Mkhi incident).

I hope he finda his confidence and form soon because in my opinion our team's form right now really hinges on him.

 

[dichinero]

His performance was ok but the idea our performance as a team hinges on him should end now. That's not his fault but is nevertheless true.

It was people clutching at straws trying to find every excuse under the sun, and pile on pressure on one player.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I keep saying this but he is not the uber-intelligent playmaking CM that runs the show. He is not your Scholes who does every absolutely on poing. He will hold on to the ball too long or release it too early. Essentially, he is a creator. Let him be that, and stop expecting him to be the guy that orchestrates our play. I dont think he's got it in him to do that to an elite level. He's never struck me as having that decision making, split second vision, etc

 

[amolbhatia50k]

His performance was ok but the idea our performance as a team hinges on him should end now. That's not his fault but is nevertheless true.

It was never the case. We have many good players. It's lazy and convenient to blame all our problems on an injured player which is what people hid behind.

 

[Dobbs]

It was people clutching at straws trying to find every excuse under the sun, and pile on pressure on one player.

It was. No one player can elevate a team like that. Certianly not one who is still learning himself.

 

[Water Melon]

I keep saying this but he is not the uber-intelligent playmaking CM that runs the show. He is not your Scholes who does every absolutely on poing. He will hold on to the ball too long or release it too early. Essentially, he is a creator. Let him be that, and stop expecting him to be the guy that orchestrates our play. I dont think he's got it in him to do that to an elite level. He's never struck me as having that decision making, split second vision, etc

Agreed. He is a creator and needs to be played higher up the pitch. Him and Matic are not that awesome duo to form a brilliant midfield. Lots of questions marks over Utd's tactics and playing style.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

It was people clutching at straws trying to find every excuse under the sun, and pile on pressure on one player.

It's not that plain and simple. The three games he missed:

City (L)
Brighton (W)
WBA (W)

We were pretty bland in all three. Completely missing in the first half against City, struggled to break down Brightons defence and, bar a good 20 minute period against WBA, we were fairly hit and miss.

However, since he returned, we were pretty good against Leicester but you conveniently ignore games that don't fit your agenda. And, we created a fair few chances against a team camped in their half for 88 minutes, today.

As an attacking outlet, we're far better with Pogba on the pitch. Since he came back, we've been let down by some absolutely criminal defending and some comical finishing.

 

[dichinero]

It was never the case. We have many good players. It's lazy and convenient to blame all our problems on an injured player which is what people hid behind.

It wouldn't be long before they pin it on the absence of Valencia. It's a common excuse, from Pereira to Perisic to Pogba.

 

[ti vu]

Underwhelming performance. Dipped in form since the suspension. Still can have decisive moment with natural ability. However, that's not enough given the problem with other players also in bad form. For his profile definitely expect more especially he seemso be given more responsibility as the upcoming leader of the team.

 

[dichinero]

It's not that plain and simple. The three games he missed:

City (L)
Brighton (W)
WBA (W)

We were pretty bland in all three. Completely missing in the first half against City, struggled to break down Brightons defence and, bar a good 20 minute period against WBA, we were fairly hit and miss.

However, since he returned, we were pretty good against Leicester but you conveniently ignore games that don't fit your agenda. And, we created a fair few chances against a team camped in their half for 88 minutes, today.

As an attacking outlet, we're far better with Pogba on the pitch. Since he came back, we've been let down by some absolutely criminal defending and some comical finishing.

And what was the result in the last 3 games? But whatever makes you sleep easy my friend.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

And what was the result in the last 3 games? But whatever makes you sleep easy my friend.

You don't think we've been better in the last two games?

Some of us don't need an agenda to help us live our everyday lives.

 

[dichinero]

You don't think we've been better in the last two games?

Some of us don't need an agenda to help us live our everyday lives.

One moment it was always about the result and not the performance and now it's not? I wonder who is the one driving an agenda.

Edit: 2/3 wins in his absence and 0/3 wins with him in the team.

I want to see how we blame him again.

 

[ti vu]

You don't think we've been better in the last two games?

Some of us don't need an agenda to help us live our everyday lives.

Agree to some extend that Pogba helps us to be more creative which we struggled without him, but we're not outright better since his current underwhelming form. We exposed ourselves, and Pogba ain't creating at strong rate which can warrant us to outdo our (& Pogba's) own undoings. Right now we're doing square one in progression. At least we're seeing more attacking is positive I guess

 

[Di Maria's angel]

One moment it was always about the result and not the performance and now it's not? I wonder who is the one driving an agenda.

I think you've mixed myself up with yourself. You're on the side of "oh, it's not about results, it's about performances and attack this, attack that". I'm just happy with seeing progress - that's why I'm happy with Mourinhos job so far. Not over the moon but I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram after every game we drop points. You (and several others) quite clearly are driven by your agenda which makes this place so incredibly bitter.