Patrick Dorgu | United in talks

SuperiorXI said:
Every player we try to get is costing at least 40m why is that? Is there no bargains to be had anymore?
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£34m is "cheap" in today's market. Especially in January.
You need to sign 17-18 year olds with little first team experience for "bargains" nowadays.
 
SilentWitness said:
...and Dorgu is capped by Denmark and has scored for them.


The point was more that saying "how much would Brighton pay for them?" is a silly remark and reflection of attributing value to a player. Similarly saying they're only worth 10m based on pretty much nothing.
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Didn't Watford also pay a fair bit for Pedro themselves? I remember reading about how it was quite a coup at the time. He wasn't seen as Neymar or Vini level, but still quite highly rated in Brazil at the time.

Also, Brighton would have tried to sign Dorgu straight from Denmark for a few hundred thousand.
 
Checkmate.
TsuWave said:
How is that an "objective" valuation? You've just listed three random things and arbitrarily came up with a number

Mainoo plays for United, with fewer than 50 appearances in the Prem. His team are just above the relegation zone - so I take it £10m, give or take?
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MaMa given red said:
How though? On what basis? It's far too small a sample size to judge a player on whatever metrics you use!
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I mean, that's just not true...?

You can judge certain aspects of a player based on just 1 match, or even just 1 action.

Why do you think Yoro was considered as the most talented CB prospect since probably van Dijk, by every top club around Europe, before he even played a full season in Lille's first team?

You could also tell Mainoo was ready to play on the highest level even before he made his debut vs Everton.

There are countless examples that disprove what you're claiming.
 
SilentWitness said:
...and Dorgu is capped by Denmark and has scored for them.


The point was more that saying "how much would Brighton pay for them?" is a silly remark and reflection of attributing value to a player. Similarly saying they're only worth 10m based on pretty much nothing.
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You get the impression on here that Brighton spend about 10p on their signings.
 
A lot of the posts scream either "I haven't heard of him" or "he plays for a small team" so he can't be any good.
 
NoLogo said:
You are right, but yeah like you said still not great according to fbref his passing % is 76.7% which isn't too far off the squad average of 77.7%. Compared to the 83.1% average of our squad one would also have to factor in that they (Lecce) probably play a bit more direct than we do.
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Fair point yeah. 76% is less diabolical than I assumed from 40% percentile!
 
These are exactly the type of signings a lower half club needs to make to try and break into the top ten and progress from there.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
I'm not saying he's "not good enough". I'm saying an objective valuation would be around £10m, give or take.

He plays for Lecce, with fewer than 50 appearances in Serie A. His team are just above the relegation zone.
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No, that's just all you know about him. Do you think those are the only things a club and its scouts will consider? Team, number of appearances, teams' league placement?
 
Blood Mage said:
He looks talented but is he good enough to be a starting PL LWB?
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I dont think he is ready for that jump yet, and I think his passing can be dodgy....that having been said I was convinced about Rasmus being ready, so take my verdict with a massive grain of salt....
 
KiD MoYeS said:
These are exactly the type of signings a lower half club needs to make to try and break into the top ten and progress from there.
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People keep referring to teams like Brighton but this would be a very Brighton-style transfer.

In the summer they went and got Minteh and Gruda for similar amounts to what we're paying here. If they did it they would be praised but poster here and giving United shit.
 
Rojofiam said:
No, that's just all you know about him. Do you think those are the only things a club and its scouts will consider? Team, number of appearances, teams' league placement?
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That’s the base rate for determining valuation: position, age, team, experience, injury record.

Then you scale it up or down based on your subjective opinion about the player’s ability, potential, and character. And I’d suggest you don’t want to adjust too much, as we have a stunning history of getting it spectacularly wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_rate_fallacy
 
MikeUpNorth said:
That’s the base rate for determining valuation: position, age, team, experience.

Then you scale it up or down based on your subjective opinion about the player’s ability and potential. Possibly not too much.
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At an ultra basic level yeah, I would imagine that our recruitment department is going into more depth than that.
 
Red_toad said:
We just signed a left back for under 8 million. Are you expecting a 500k Dennis Irwin clone to become available in January?
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I must have missed that one, who did we sign?

United supposedly have a huge sprawling scouting network. Why can't we identify talents early and maybe even get some on a free?
 
Lyng said:
Mostly his age, truth be told. We lack players of peak age in our first team, and have relied to heavily on very young players.
On top of that I have not been impressed with his passing when I have watched him.
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That's the thing isn't it. We've gone from signing too many old players to going too far in the other direction to be honest.

So I hope he would be ready to make an impact now, as that's what we need.
 
Berbaclass said:
People keep referring to teams like Brighton but this would be a very Brighton-style transfer.

In the summer they went and got Minteh and Gruda for similar amounts to what we're paying here. If they did it they would be praised but poster here and giving United shit.
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It’s really strange as Dorgu is the age and price bracket that Brighton often shop in, they signed a lots of players last summer in the 20-35m price bracket from lesser leagues.

Also hedging your bets on Dorgu and Leon rather than throwing everything at a 50-60m player is what Brighton would do.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s really strange as Dorgu is the age and price bracket that Brighton often shop in, they signed a lots of players last summer in the 20-35m price bracket from lesser leagues.

Also hedging your bets on Dorgu and Leon rather than throwing everything at a 50-60m player is what Brighton would do.
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If we went and bought only PL players then people would moan that there are better options out there for less...
 
Seeing Brighton referenced in here, at left back they've spent £9m on Barco and potentially £30m (with addons) on Kadioglu in the previous two windows.

We've done a medical on a LB in Leon who will join supposedly join in the summer for £7m (with addons) when he turns 18 and are linked with this guy for £33m (with addons).

Not vastly different, although Kadioglu has more experience in terms of first team games.
 
Roboc7 said:
It’s really strange as Dorgu is the age and price bracket that Brighton often shop in, they signed a lots of players last summer in the 20-35m price bracket from lesser leagues.

Also hedging your bets on Dorgu and Leon rather than throwing everything at a 50-60m player is what Brighton would do.
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Absolutely, I'm really happy with this transfer. At £20-25 million (low-ish wages too presumably) is seems a pretty smart, low risk deal that has a lot of potential upside. If it doesn't work out then we could probably move him on fairly easily due to the money involved.

It's a good deal and will help us out immediately.
 
I swear. So many people are so miserable about everything. I'm more tired by half the stuff I have to read in transfer threads than what I see on the pitch, and that's saying something.

We're apparently not supposed to pay through the nose for established wingbacks and instead make prudent purchases of high potential and cheaper prices, and then when one actually fecking starts to materialise, and the data supports the profile, everyone is moaning because he's coming from Lecce.

For the love of God, the point is to get them from the likes of Lecce, and pay Lecce prices so they don't go to Dortmund and you end up paying Dortmund prices.
 
groovyalbert said:
Nope, never heard of him before we were linked and I've only seen clips since the news broke (although there wasn't much there that stood out)
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groovyalbert said:
I'm sorry but that is just a fecking awful trade. The quoted price will be a massive chunk of our budget for this window and probably summer too. We don't have the spending power to spunk out this amount on a virtual nobody.
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I remember when I thought brash, confident, sweeping and strong statements were likely a sign of expansive knowledge.

Learning about the Dunning-Kruger effect made me doubt that somewhat.
 
Given that this guy plays on the right and Amo's preference for inverted WB's, does anyone see him play as a RWB more often than a LWB. This would also free up Amad to play as one of the #10's for the rest of the season.
 
Insanity said:
Given that this guy plays on the right and Amo's preference for inverted WB's, does anyone see him play as a RWB more often than a LWB. This would also free up Amad to play as one of the #10's for the rest of the season.
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Don't think it matters, in that even if he plays on the left that still frees Dalot up to play on the right and let Amad play as a #10.
 
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