Had a poor game against one of the strongest sides in Europe and he's trash 
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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Sorry Dorgu, Redcafe has answered and you're rubbish.
Watch us up our bid despite this display.
I honestly don't know why you feel so attached to him and desperate to big him up? He's just a random player at Lecce — you don't owe him anything.Had a poor game against one of the strongest sides in Europe and he's trash
If you're paying that much for potential you need the upside that he's potentially going to be worth much more with a couple more years training and experience.
I don't see the upside on this deal. Just feels like a 40m bad spend that we regret in six months time and try to shift on loan this time next year.
I don't see the upside on this deal. Just feels like a 40m bad spend that we regret in six months time and try to shift on loan this time next year.
He's looked decent in the opposition half, the few times Lecce have actually got there but besides that he's not had a good game. Definitely more of a work in progress than the finished product.
It's only one game but judging by his performace today, I'd say he's not ready for PL football right now.
It's only one game but judging by his performace today, I'd say he's not ready for PL football right now.
People are writing him off after 45 minutes. Peak RedCafe kneejerk.
He might be shite but this game in isolation proves feck all.
Surely the bar for joining United for £30m should be really really high? The default assumption about any player should be "they're not good enough for us," unless there's strong evidence to the contrary.
This game was definitely not evidence in favour of signing Dorgu. He plays on the back foot and is easily caught out.
I posted for the stats in the gameSofascore ratings
He most certainly wasn’t a 7.1 performance.
My gripe with signing him is, we have dire financial position and we would probably have to offload Garnacho or somebody to be able to afford him. Currently he is not very good to have instant impact in PL, so we are at a net loss and will make the team weaker (if its 1 in and 1 out).
If we intend to keep Garna and sign him anyway, even then these sort of signings are more of punts like Malacia (under 15m), if it works great, if not you can recoup the money. We are potentially shelling 34M Pounds for him, which is too much and not financially viable keeping in view our position.
I would rather just continue with the current players we have, wait for Shaw to get fit and try Malacia every now and then. Not that we are fighting for champions league places, even Europa league looks a tough ask for us. Hopefully we get easier draws in Europa league and Shaw is fit for later stages and we get lucky.
If we intend to keep Garna and sign him anyway, even then these sort of signings are more of punts like Malacia (under 15m), if it works great, if not you can recoup the money. We are potentially shelling 34M Pounds for him, which is too much and not financially viable keeping in view our position.
I would rather just continue with the current players we have, wait for Shaw to get fit and try Malacia every now and then. Not that we are fighting for champions league places, even Europa league looks a tough ask for us. Hopefully we get easier draws in Europa league and Shaw is fit for later stages and we get lucky.
We don't need to sell Garnacho to afford him.
He’s playing in back 4 no? I’d be slightly worried if Lecce were playing with wing backs and he was putting this on.
Of course there’s the factors of
I get that some fans are super paranoid about who we buy now because previous regimes picked out some duds and in numerous cases overpaid for them, but we’re not destined to always buy duds. I remember the summer when some fans were going mental that we bought Mazraoui because he’s injury prone. He hasn’t missed a game for us through injury so far (touch wood)
Of course there’s the factors of
- He’s playing against one of the best teams in Europe (let alone Italy)
- He’s playing in a team that’s tittering on the relegation places
- He’s barely out of teenagehood
- The distraction of being linked with a move away
- The distraction of being linked with a move to a major football club (which I imagine for a kid his age is mind blowing)
- The fact he may be taking it easy because he doesn’t want to risk injury for this life changing move
I get that some fans are super paranoid about who we buy now because previous regimes picked out some duds and in numerous cases overpaid for them, but we’re not destined to always buy duds. I remember the summer when some fans were going mental that we bought Mazraoui because he’s injury prone. He hasn’t missed a game for us through injury so far (touch wood)
This place is incredibly harsh. It was not the best game for him (against a very strong team) but some really positive things to take from it IMO.
1 clearance
1 blocked shot
2 interceptions
5 tackles
9/13 ground duels won
3 fouls won
74 touches
43/46 passes completed (93%)
2 key passes
1/2 successful dribbles
1 clearance
1 blocked shot
2 interceptions
5 tackles
9/13 ground duels won
3 fouls won
74 touches
43/46 passes completed (93%)
2 key passes
1/2 successful dribbles
I think the amount of duels he wins is a big part why we want him. For a wide player he also wins a significant amount of aerial duels. Along with his athletic traits, I'd imagine that's what we are mainly looking for in that position.
I think you've mentioned that in about 50 posts today. I've spent too much timevrefreshing the caf aimlessly hoping for some transfer news to get excited about.
One more week and i can just get back to thinking about our performances
Would you like to prove that because it's absolute bollocks...I think you've mentioned that in about 50 posts today. I've spent too much timevrefreshing the caf aimlessly hoping for some transfer news to get excited about.
One more week and i can just get back to thinking about our performances
He actually got the best rating for his team against inter
One game and people are writing him off
People made their minds up after 45 minutes.One game and people are writing him off
He isn’t good enough to play as a Nr. 10
If that were to be a reason it screams don’t go near him in my view
I would wager a bet that not a single person on here had watched a full Lecce match? Isn’t this just a case of a player looking great on highlights, but when you actually watch 90mins they don’t stand out at all, and you also get to see the mistakes they make?
Heck, a compilation of Darwin Nunez best plays he looks like a world beater, but when you watch him play regularly you see the limitations. To me, dorgu looks to already be playing at a team of his level.
Heck, a compilation of Darwin Nunez best plays he looks like a world beater, but when you watch him play regularly you see the limitations. To me, dorgu looks to already be playing at a team of his level.
I watched the Lecce game today, my first ever. It was also the first time I watched Dorgu play a full game, he was not great but you could see that he has the potential to be a good player.
The defensive full back role he played today didn't really suit him if you ask me, he looks more like a player who will be at his best in a more offensive role.
He looks like the type of player we should be looking to buy for the LWB role but I would need to watch a lot more of him before I would be comfortable to say if he's good enough to have an imidiate impact on the team. Although it doesn't take much to be better than our current options in that role.
Hopefully we can settle the fee and get him in this week
From what I'm seeing in the clips of the player, he looks to be technically very good for a 20 year old. We're gonna have to be patient with him because he's still a very young player but it seems he has a strong technical and physical foundation that can be moulded further as he develops and matures.
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A few times today I felt that Maz had the opportunity to run/ dribble with the ball, but got caught up by the chasing defender.
Now if this kid is fast and can dribble , maybe we will start looking more dynamic..
Now if this kid is fast and can dribble , maybe we will start looking more dynamic..
Think this’ll get over the line.
He's a punt though. And not a cheap one. We lose more often than we win on this type of deal.
I think this potential deal looks like a calculated risk with the hope that the player can develop even further. He's still very young and hence will be raw, but if the football hierarchy feel he has the tools to develop into a top class player then I hope they sign him. I think if Dorgu was at Leipzig or Dortmund he'd probably cost more than the £33m Lecce are wanting. And that £33m includes add ons so the total upfront fee will likely be less.
Can't dribble at all. 35% success rate. For comparison Dalot is at 52% and Maz at 66%.
I suppose the counter-argument there is that if he was at BVB or Leipzig then he'd be more proven. He's not though, he's very young and very raw and we're operating on the possibility of him reaching an entirely hypothetical ceiling. I'm tempted to suggest that we promote a youngster for the remainder of the league season, which is basically over already. Someone like Mantato for instance.
We don't really have many options. It's either cheaper punts (higher risk) vs more expensive sure shot players...gotta go with the scouting.
I only worry that a £20M~ish transfer for the young man will have far more scrutiny than any of the players City spent £100M on in January.
Causing him to crumble under the pressure of the current failed season.
If Lecce don’t want to lose him in January, maybe it’s better to offer to buy him now but loan him to them until next season? Which could keep the overall fee looking reasonable.
Causing him to crumble under the pressure of the current failed season.
If Lecce don’t want to lose him in January, maybe it’s better to offer to buy him now but loan him to them until next season? Which could keep the overall fee looking reasonable.
New piece of deadwood for the next manager.