Zirkzee probably and Yoro time will tell but the other three I am quite happy with.
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
From YouTube alone, his dribbling seems very good and clearly has a lot of athleticism. With that being said, it's bizarre seeing him in so many advanced positions in the box. If most of those highlights are his games as wing back, then I question whether that is what is true position.
Pretty sure this is ignored for PSR purposes. Hence the ruling about 5 year total. Otherwise I would sense teams like Chelsea could just sign players for 5 years and amortize over that period, and then extend them for several years after a season and exploit a loophole.
His cost would have already been amortized in the books from the beginning of season 1 to the beginning of season 6. You cannot backdate and stretch the amortization.
Edit: Also, Danny is right. The PL closed the Chelsea loophole by allowing amortizations to be strechedd only for 5 years/the length of the contract, whichever is shorter.
You are possibly right now but with this deal being agreed 6 years ago and having the option baked in I think it would in this case.
I just hope he’s ready to come in and start every week, because he’s going to need to. That does, admittedly seems a lot to ask of a 20 year old, but we’ve already got a young left back who doesn’t get any games.
Transfer fees are amortised over 5 years, so Maguires finished last year given he signed in 2019, he didn't get a new contract, United exercised the option in his original contract for another year, his wages remained the same, no source is required
No Maguire's was a 6 year deal signed before the loophole closed so it wasn't 5 years it was over 6.
I’ve seen him as much as anyone else on this forum, I imagine. Which is feck all.
I’m basing my opinion on value on the fact that:
1. He’s played just 50 games in Serie A for a team just above the relegation zone.
2. His stats are largely underwhelming.
3. His highlight videos show he’s very raw and struggles with ball control.
4. We aren’t facing a lot of competition for his signature. Sure, Napoli might be interested in the summer but I’d bet that, if they sign him, it will be for less than £20m.
Based on the above and comparable transfer fees, I’d say he’s worth £10-15m. Anything above £20m I’d consider a significant gamble and paying over the odds.
I feel like De Ligt and Maz were opportunistic because Bayern were looking to sell, but I still feel we have no established form for unearthing potential at good fees.
The fee is more the issue for Dorgu. He looks good but flawed, and being held by the balls from a relegation fighting side in serie A is an issue. He's cheaper in the summer but we are paying a big fee to get him in January. Smells of panic.
Which transfer fees are you comparing to specifically?
Fair play. But if the selling club sets a value for him that we aren't willing to meet them the player won't be sold. If the player is worth more than that to us because of all the circumstances (mid season sale, the difference it should make to the system etc) then it's not overpaying. With respect you seem very confident attaching an arbitrary value to a player you've barely watched.
I'm in the same boat, for what it's worth, barely seen anything of him. But then I wouldn't be so confident asserting we're overpaying above 20 million.
Let’s start close to home.
“Manchester United is pleased to confirm that Tyrell Malacia has joined the club, signing a contract until June 2026, with the option to extend for a further year.”
“The Dutch defender made 136 career appearances for Feyenoord and has represented his country at every level from the Under-16s to the senior team, with five full international caps to his name.”
https://www.manutd.com/en/amp/news/detail/tyrell-malacia-completes-move-to-manchester-united
£12.9m
Last 13 one v ones (defending) :
The Caf is basically arguing we should sell 20yo Garnacho because he doesn’t play like a seasoned winger
Good luck to Dorgu if he comes. His price tag, whatever it is, will be used again and again, and if he has 2-3 bad games, he’ll be labelled utter shite
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I haven’t seen him play. I’ve read the places I trust to give a good balanced view and expert opinion on a player so I’m happy enough to have an idea of what he is and isn’t.
Based on how Lecce operates the only major sales I can recall are Mirko Vucinic in the 2000s to Roma and Hjulmand. So when they get a good cash offer I just don’t see them turning it down.
I don’t think anyone of any credible background I’ve seen has called Dorgu the best or most promising LWB about and so there’s a risk element that for £30m+ now I think we have to be sensible with.
Again I disagree. The rest of this season we will benefit greatly from having a a competent left footed LWB capable of moving up and down the left flank at pace.
So we are a bit limited as to who will move in January and do the above to a meaningful standard. If the question was £30+m or no one I’d want one.
I’d certainly prefer it to Dalot (Shaw isn’t a true option).
13 out of 13 or 13 out of 130?
No disagreements here. We should be careful with all the money we spend and like you I haven't heard him being touted as a future superstar. It just seems to me that some are looking at the question of his 'value' in a vacuum, as if what he can do for our season (like you I think that having a top left wing back could make us look a different team) and for Lecce's (looks as though they're around the relegation zone at the mo and I'm sure losing him won't help that).
This is the drawback of 10+ years of shit recruitment. We can’t just go out and get the ideal 25 year old left back Amorim likely wants, so need to shop for potential instead.
In an ideal world we wouldn’t sell Garnacho, but he doesn’t fit our system, we’ve got no money whatsoever and if in 5 years time he turns out to be a dud we let go for nothing, we’ll all be wondering why the club didn’t cash in when we had the chance. I can see arguments for it.
But at 20 we had Cristiano Ronaldo frustrating the hell out of everyone with his decision making, and he didn't turn out badly. And selling Garnacho for 50m, only to bring in an unknown left back for 34m, on the face of it doesn’t scream shrewd business. But only time will tell if it was the right call.
I think he doesn't get beat in a couple of em. But he's nothing special defensively.
Rooney has mentioned it himself a few times as far as I can remember. I heard him say it on the official United podcast. He said he would reject Newcastle and only wanted united.
Could we be playing 4D chess and negotiating in the open for Dorgu with journos aware, whilst really pursuing another target whilst all the journos are distracted?
INEOS havent done that so far, also we had representatives actually sit down with executives at the club. That's not a smoke screen.
Because distracting journalists is helpful in some way?
Well when you buy a new TV you don't typically look at only one TV. You create a short list based on features and approximate cost. Once you've got it down to 3-4 models, you look for specials, promotions, etc to find the best price that week.
I was hoping that this woild be the way INEOS would be working for future signings. Starting negotiations for multiple players so you're not over a barrel.
That might be harder to do in January granted. Also harder to do with a team playing abysmal football but ho hum.
Every time some mentions this, a few people in the thread get really upset.
Transfer threads are a place full of hope and optimism, but it’s clear to me watching these videos that he will be slaughtered in matchday threads.
Maybe he develops over time, but I’m tired of people in here trying to convince us we’re all blind for not seeing his obvious silkiness on the ball.
Would agree with all of this. Not sold on the deal at all
Fair enough I thought he had a 5 year not 6
Not sure where distracting journalists comes into that.
But the famous smokescreens!
Who?
Yeah so in our case it was 6+1 which by activating the option allows us to spread the amortisation over 3 years instead of two, gaining us £4 million, although this was probably done for cash purposes because as another poster said it doesn't count for PSR when done this way.
If all else fails and he's willing, Fernandez
That’s because he’s played many games as a winger too
Interesting debating tactic. Make a statement so nonsensical no one can reply to it.
Quite frankly he looks shite. I know we are too, but surely we can do better than this. It’s a £10m kind of signing where he fills a squad place for 18 months until he goes to newly promoted Watford for £12m
It really doesn't, and given that the we already have a potentially good LB at the club it makes zero sense to me to spunk 34m on the same, if we're looing for a LB we should be looking for some experience and visit the ptospect's chnaces of being the man down the line
Diego Leon, Sekou Kone, and less so the fella from Arsenal. I get we are all numb to the failures under the previous management, but overall the signings under the new regime have been of good quality and value, focussed on the present and future
If we pay near to 40 million euros for him we have splashed over 100 million euros on two danish internationals with under 20 caps combined with no proven record in European football except a good season each in Serie A. I really can't blame people who wants us to look at "proven PL players" instead.
To put pressure on this kind of players with such a small amount of experience to save a club like United is just horrendous.
I get that "talent" cost money. But we need to improve now. Not in a couple of years. This kind of young and talented players need to play in a ordered environment to thrive.
But maybe I'm wrong.
To put pressure on this kind of players with such a small amount of experience to save a club like United is just horrendous.
I get that "talent" cost money. But we need to improve now. Not in a couple of years. This kind of young and talented players need to play in a ordered environment to thrive.
But maybe I'm wrong.