I’ve no idea if he’s good enough (though my instinct is ‘unlikely and almost certainly not yet’). He’s definitely overpriced though.
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
How can you possibly say whether he’s over priced or not if you don’t know how good he is?
This transfer wouldn’t make us suckers though, Spurs paid about 20m Euros for Udogie, had to loan him back for a year and Udinese had literally just paid about a quarter of that for him.
We’ve reportedly offered 27m Euros for Dorgu so it’s not some outrageous fee like what we paid for Antony.
Patrick Dorgu seems to be the type of player who has a very high ceiling. Looking at his videos and analysis he seems to possess certain key qualities that our team is lacking right now:
- strength: he seems to have a good build and looks pretty strong.
- speed: he seems to be pretty quick
- aerial dominance: statistically he seems to be very good aerially
- attacking instinct: he is one of the top attacking fullbacks right now.
- flexibility: he has played as left wing back, right winger, midfielder.
Now the question seems to be how much impact he is going to make our team. Looking at his profile, he is going to have a good impact defensively as he is strong, fast and good aerially. Looking at how much better we looked on the liverpool game when Dalot was able to take on TAA, someone with the attacking threat that dorgu possesses will definitely improve our attack. Buying a leftback also enable dalot to move to the right where he is better.
If it is true that Dorgu costs around 40 mill punds, I would prefer Alvaro at 16 mill punds instead.
Apparently Alvaro wouldn't help PSR situation
In what sense
Sorry I meant more of an inside 10, initial point was more about lacking depth if Garnacho goes
Something to do with him being academy product, however hopefully someone more knowledgeable can explain things better
I'm guessing when we sold him we banked a certain amount of PSR goodness by selling an academy player.
If we buy him back shortly after I guess the PSR benefits associated the initial sale will have then been reduced or maybe even negated completely.
I don't see how. They are completely separate transactions.
Lecce's record sale was Hjulmand last season for €19.5m and their third biggest was Pongracic this summer for €15m. They have never come close to seeing €30m so they aren't fooling anyone with this posturing for €40m. Call their bluff and offer £25m at most or move on. I'd actually say £22m but an extra £3m in PL/United tax is fair. This is Lecce we're dealing with not Benfica.
Napoli sure won't offer anything more than that.
The kid is a relative nobody, he plays for Lecce and Denmark and his stats hardly jump out.
Napoli sure won't offer anything more than that.
The kid is a relative nobody, he plays for Lecce and Denmark and his stats hardly jump out.
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@Raees is now banned so perhaps we shouldn’t be giving him free marketing anymore
Oh okay, I had no idea. I thought he posted the video himself yesterday.
I notice from Skysports, they are now linking us to Mitchell from Crystal Palace. I would imagine he would cost a lot more
Ah right. I hear you. And I think to be honest, we could do with another attacking midfielder even if Garnacho stays.
The whole league are probably colluding to ensure we overpay.
The story of Napoli just reminded me of when Barcelona was buying Bruno and sending him back to Sporting on loan.
He did and it was removed. Redcafe is not for free marketing.
No worries.
We included a sell on clause when we sold him. So aside from the PSR boost we got from the initial €6m fee, we're due another "pure profit" PSR boost when he gets sold by Benfica
If we buy him back we don't just take the PSR hit of the transfer itself, we also lose out on that second payment we were anticipating from the sell-on fee.
If the sell on clause isn't applicable in our case
So if we pay the buyback then technically we are paying money to ourselves then?
Yeah definitely lack creativity
I mean the post was about the context of the transfer, and the mistakes of the past, it wasn’t about the player as such but ok. If you don’t want to comment on the actual point of the post then what’s the point, it’s a discussion board.
Yeah would be weird to have a buy-back and sell on.
I’ll be livid if we spend £52m on Dorgu when Alvaro is available for £14m.
Imo we should get both
I don't think I've ever heard of a transfer where a club paid the buy back clause but then also got a refund on that fee via the sell-on clause.
As far as I'm aware, if we buy him back via the buy-back clause the sell-on clause doesn't apply. So the cost of buying him would be whatever we pay plus whatever we would have gotten if another club had bought him instead.
He is out of contract in the summer, price would ultimately depend on Palace being willing to sell in January.
But surely that doesn't discount the initial profit we booked from the sale?
Can't say I heard of any example either. But it somewhat makes sense, doesn't it? If he moves to another club, we get a share and Benfica correspondingly less. Only difference is that our transfer fee would be capped at a somewhat low value
If we blow £78m on Dorgu while selling Garnacho for €39m when we could sell Anthony for $120m and Alvaro and Angel Gomes could come it at a combined cost of kr12, it might be even worse. Might.
It says he’s contracted till 2027
Rather than getting fleeced for another huge gamble from Serie A, and we know how those tend to work out, we should get Alvaro back for the absolute bargain that is his buyback, and then look to sign someone established in the Prem like Kerkez or Robinson in the summer.
This is what a well-run club would do. So obviously not what we'll do.
This is what a well-run club would do. So obviously not what we'll do.
Just to check, has anyone suggested that we should sign Alvaro instead of Dorgu yet?
Apparently we have a buy back option.
Apparently we have a buy back option.
Don't remind me
Kerkez is £50-60 million and he's on 30k at the moment so being conservative that's him probably going onto 100k a week on a 5-year deal. That's a nearly £100 million commitment.
By the summer we’d then have Leon on consideration. May be some acclimation required but he’s a big physical boy so perhaps less than usual. Would there be any point in then buying a 3rd for that side?
Yeah if Alvaro comes back and tears it up we might not even have to sign another LWB. Or we could look for someone cheaper and more versatile than Kerkez, ideally someone who would also be comfortable at LCB. Or use the money saved at LWB to go back in for Branthwaite