He can't hold down a starting spot in an awful awful United side.
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
His competition is Bruno and Amad as a 10. He would be in the starting XI if we played with two wingers.
Where was Amad in the Golden Boy awards?
Nowhere to be seen because your idol Ten Hag was too foolish to use him.
My idol?
You fought the whole forum against him being sacked.My idol?
Which was wrong yes.
This seems to have gone very quiet, guessing we're needing to make some outgoing moves before we can bring this lad in?
Most likely. Garnacho the most likely one to be sold.
United have realised that he's not on the golden boy list so has abandoned the pursuit.
Really hope we get wide forward too
I don’t get the obsession with the fee, he probably should cost closer to 20m than 30m but that’s the issue with trying to make the signing in January and teams know we are desperate.
If we end up spending something like 35m combined on him and Leon as options at LWB it’s not the end of the world if they don’t make it. It’s a bit like signing Pellistri and Amad but those two were even less experienced in comparison.
The real issue is spending about 270m on Casemiro, Rasmus, Antony and Mount. You can move on from the cheaper players but the fees and wages for those four is a huge burden and we massively overspent. And most importantly we’re stuck with them.
If we end up spending something like 35m combined on him and Leon as options at LWB it’s not the end of the world if they don’t make it. It’s a bit like signing Pellistri and Amad but those two were even less experienced in comparison.
The real issue is spending about 270m on Casemiro, Rasmus, Antony and Mount. You can move on from the cheaper players but the fees and wages for those four is a huge burden and we massively overspent. And most importantly we’re stuck with them.
Are they ever fit?
Cause eventually we need to end this reputation of united being those suckers you sell high to and buy cheap from
I'm less worried about the fee than the qualities of the player. We are on the verge of being dragged into a relegation battle and have forgotten how to play football. We need someone who can come in and change our fortunes immediately. Is that this guy? Strongly strongly doubt it.
True, but I think trying to sign a relegation threatened team's best player in January might not be the place to start. The place to start with that is not paying £65m for Højlund. Instead, you should use that money to buy 2 players of a similar age/experience who you think might have high potential.
Too often we put all our eggs into one basket. Antony was the worst one. Could have signed about 4 RWs from across the world with that money, and chances are at least one of them cuts it at first team level.
True. Hence why a serious club wouldn't stay 18 months without a first team LB and would certainly have a plan B, C and D in case plan A fails
I followed the serie A for enough years not to trust these clubs. I believe that Napoli are on cahoots with Lecce in a bid to either drive dorgu price up or Garnacho price down
All that time we had Amad remember
I agree, and if he is the only incoming player then I have serious reservations, however I wonder, we need not just players for specific positions but more players full stop, we have all assumed that Dorgu would be coming in as a LWB despite him actually playing more as a RW/RWB, maybe Dorgu is intended as a replacement for Antony, maybe we also go in for Fernandez, maybe the intention is that he is only LWB until the summer when we can get more reinforcements and then switches to the right, maybe he is being signed as cover for both LWB and RWB.... problem is he is the only player we have been linked with to the level that we know talks have taken place, maybe that is because we are waiting for other deals to progress before we can pursue them whereas this deal was only dependent on Antony's loan??????
They must have planned it for a while then as Naploi's interest in the lad was talked about in October, Conte was even seen talking to him after a match. He has that price set as the likes of Chelsea and Spurs were sniffing around in the summer after he'd had a decent season.
Bugger all for Dorgu, this is purely vibes from the basic information available and other people’s comments from trustworthyish places. Seen a fair bit of alvaro at benfica though.
Surely the smart thing to do is get Alvaro back for 18 million and then if we sell Garnacho get another two bodies in for the attack.
A striker and a 10/winger.
If we go Dorgu that's a lot of money and I doubt we can then afford to also strengthen the other areas
A striker and a 10/winger.
If we go Dorgu that's a lot of money and I doubt we can then afford to also strengthen the other areas
You realise Garnacho is currently a squad player in a team in the lower echelons of the Premiership right?
Your logic makes little to no sense really, Dorgu back then when Lecce purchased him he wasn't a full international player, he is now, he was also signed as a youth prospect, so inevitably the fee will be much higher for a full international.
The comparison with Garnacho holds water easily here, Garnacho is easily worth more than £40m in today's market and it would probably take over £50m for United to really consider letting him go.
The logic makes no sense to you chump.
You're too busy ******* to PowerBI stats to see the truth.
First main takeaway for me is the fact that he has a lot of potential in almost every aspect of the game as well as the base athleticism United are so desperately short of. The second major takeaway is that he does not sound like a player, who, barring a short term coaching miracle, is likely to help us much this season.
So if he is the only one they're bringing in to strengthen our wingback selection, I hope they have more cards up their sleeve before deadline day.
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Good one, completely ignored the point I made him being one of the most productive U21 players in Europe on top of his golden boy status.
In general terms I get the concerns about fees given the financial situation we're in.
I just don't get the particular concern about this fee. It's not a particularly big transfer, nor are the numbers being reported out of line with then numbers being reported when other clubs were being linked.
If people have actually seen him play and simply don't think he's worth it, then that makes sense.
But a lot of people saying they don't think he's worth it are openly admitting to barely (if at all) having watched him play football, and are basing their vehement opinions of what he should cost on completely arbitrary comparisons and random notions they have about what dictates player prices. Which is stupid.
Personally I have no idea how good he'll be or what he "should" cost, because he plays for Lecce and like most people I've barely seen him play. But as you say, 30m-ish transfers with correspondingly low wages are hardly ones to be overly agitated by.
Thank you.
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
Most are tweets to be fair.
Little bit disingenuous to crop out the end of the sentence.
Yeah you're right, it makes no sense to me because it's nonsensical!
Glad we're on the same page here at last.
It would only be disingenuous if I thought the rest of the post made your general argument substantially less stupid.
You shouldn't be claiming a player you know next to nothing about will be playing for West Ham in two years. It's silly. There's nothing wrong with just not having a strong opinion on a player you know next to nothing about.
What makes you think he isn’t good enough?
That channel is considered dirt around these parts. No credibility whatsoever
What does this mean when we're looking for a wing back for a system where the wing backs provide the width?
Serie A football is different from the EPL. Sure, there's huge rivalry between certain clubs but the buck stops when money is concerned. Its not uncommon to see players move from one rival club to another because of that. We're not referring to squad players either. Roberto Baggio played for Juventus, Milan and Inter (between Milan and Inter there was a detour at Bologna). Pirlo played for Inter, Milan and Juventus while Fabio Cannavaro was involved in the silliest football swap deal in football history when he moved from Inter to Juventus in exchange to Fabian Carini. The Italians were also inventors of what would then evolve into the buy-back clause known as comproprieta. Basically a seller could buy 'half a player' and would take him on loan. At the end of a period decided by either club they'll put 2 anonymous bids into two separate envelopes. The envelopes are then opened with representatives present from both clubs and whoever has the highest bid will take the player but would also commit himself to pay that high bid to the loser. Thus these clubs has a long history of working with one another.
As you confirmed Drogu had been a target of a number of EPL clubs for quite some time. In Italian terms that means ££££. Napoli might be interested in the player but are probably more interested in making United's life difficult as well with the hope that a backroom deal can be fount on Garnacho were we accept a lower fee in exchange of Napoli backing out of the Dorgu deal. The cnut on the United stand but whose got Italian heritage shares that same view.