Think they signed him in January, made no first-team appearances and then in the summer went to Beerschot for 6 months before getting a chance in the first team.
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Imagine if Dalot finished that chance at 55 seconds the same way. That's three pages worth in the matchday thread calling him brainless and useless. And this is on Dorgu's stronger foot.
I think he's okay. I don't see him long term being much better than what we have, but he is a LB/LWB which is a position we don't have anyone for, so he's better than nothing.
Lecce have put a bid in for another full back today per Romano, perhaps lining up the replacement.
Looks like one of those random players Watford used to sign for £7m from the likes of Udinese to add to their 37-man squad that end up having no impact in the Premier League.
This is a desperate signing and he is clearly not the level of talent we should be signing especially at the prices being quoted. We are not in a position to be wasting 30m on nobodies.
This is a desperate signing and he is clearly not the level of talent we should be signing especially at the prices being quoted. We are not in a position to be wasting 30m on nobodies.
Firstly this just comes across as super ignorant. Watford bought shit players for £7 million because they were shit.
Secondly, £30 million is not a significant amount of money to spend on a young, high-potential player. It works out as something like £6 million per season. Peanuts for a club this size.
Fancy a job playing up front for United?forgive me, I can be a bit slow.
My issue with this transfer is it highlights a continuation of the appalling transfer history over the past decade. I don’t know anything about the player other than the basic scouting report stuff you can find, but it’s the profile of the transfer is worrying. He could be absolutely mint and end up being the worlds best left back, but this is unknowable and you have to go off market value and transfer profile.
You have a young(ish) player who fits into the “unestablished, higher potential punt” catagory not a “yoro, Luke shaw etc style potential generational talent” catagory who you pay a premium for.
Dorgu is the type of player savvier teams are able to pick up for either 500k the year or so before and loan out with proper scouting or around 10m last summer and integrate with low pressure.
We even had a player in Fernandes who those
more knowledgable on the cafe and trusted journalists labelled as a future talent who has gone on to perform at Benfica, I understand the PSR element someone mentioned above making the buyback difficult but the answer isn’t paying “top developmental young player talent” prices for someone who lets be honest has a fairly low chance of being that based on the reporting.
He might be a revelation, but we are being absolutely mugged with the quotes prices for the stage of development that player is in.
Bring in regulailon again on loan for 6 months he was decent enough and actually look for a proper solution than spunking our summer budget on a left back we will sell to West Ham in 2 years time for a loss.
You have a young(ish) player who fits into the “unestablished, higher potential punt” catagory not a “yoro, Luke shaw etc style potential generational talent” catagory who you pay a premium for.
Dorgu is the type of player savvier teams are able to pick up for either 500k the year or so before and loan out with proper scouting or around 10m last summer and integrate with low pressure.
We even had a player in Fernandes who those
more knowledgable on the cafe and trusted journalists labelled as a future talent who has gone on to perform at Benfica, I understand the PSR element someone mentioned above making the buyback difficult but the answer isn’t paying “top developmental young player talent” prices for someone who lets be honest has a fairly low chance of being that based on the reporting.
He might be a revelation, but we are being absolutely mugged with the quotes prices for the stage of development that player is in.
Bring in regulailon again on loan for 6 months he was decent enough and actually look for a proper solution than spunking our summer budget on a left back we will sell to West Ham in 2 years time for a loss.
The Dunning-Kruger effect on display in here. Gods…
Should have offered them Malacia on loan for the rest of the season. Not that I particularly want this Dorgu to go through at the current prices.
How much have you seen of him?
If there isn’t anyone available at a sensible price, just wait until the summer. We’d be much better off in the long run if we don’t rush to make panic buys before the end of this January window.
Just as we want to be patient with Amorim, we need to be patient with recruitment.
Garnacho's development over the last 4 years from being the best player in our academy, to one of the biggest prospects in world football playing regularly for one of the biggest clubs in the world has earned him that valuation. Dorgu was bought for 200k 18 months ago and is playing for a relegation battling team in the Serie A, yet the £30 million asking price shows a bigger % increase in value than Garnacho himself with less than half the experience. He's shown nothing to warrant that.
"Best prospects in world football" is a bit of a stretch.
It would help if you looked at ‘superficial and irrelevant factors’ and didn’t think you added anything to that by repeating ‘senior career so far at Lecce’ (where when subtracting the actual play you said you hadn’t watched) must boil down to matches played and a few rude statistics, and ‘FB at bottom table’ as if that in itself is a largely relevant factor to what anyone should cost.
Many of the posts that tire you seem to be you misreading or not readily understanding my posts. The only reason I keep at it is that it annoys me how so many put their pride in thoughtlessly defending indefensible claims loudly stated, and then parrot themselves and each other leading to something beginning to sound like a truth based on practically nothing.
I’ve read a few reports by knowledgeable people who watch a lot of Serie A and has seen a lot of Dorgu. None of them have said the prices mentioned are unreasonable. All the while people having next to no knowledge build each other into a consensus frenzy that the prices quoted are ‘comical’ or ‘proof of the state of the club’ (not your quotes) and other circular arguments doing the rounds.
He was listed in the final shortlist for Golden Boy 2024, so I'd be inclined to agree with @luke511 that he is one of the biggest prospects in world football.
He is an average/slightly above average player.
Not according to people that know more than you and me
I know you're not arsed about him being sold, but he is ranked highly in every golden boy system going. One of the most productive U21 players in European football too.
One of those random players was J Pedro who is now at Brighton. I think most people on here would take him right now. Look at Brighton's transfer ins last summer and the one before and you'll see a fair few 'nobodies' signed for between £20 and £40m.
Isn't that the kind of recruitment people on here salivate over?
That's nice.
Yeah this is a position where you don't just pay big for the first option that comes along. We should be shopping around for the best deal.
Is that shortlist created using meaningful data? Has the list of golden boys got a history of being accurate and successfully determining young players who all went on to become superstars? Or is it just another list based on someones opinion?
exciting signing for sure
but i dunno, this group of lads are fragile, and confidence is shot, I'd rather we were brining in an experienced pro
thing is those players aren't cheap, and certainly not in January
Amorim probably wants two new ones in and he was the only one available on our list
but i dunno, this group of lads are fragile, and confidence is shot, I'd rather we were brining in an experienced pro
thing is those players aren't cheap, and certainly not in January
Amorim probably wants two new ones in and he was the only one available on our list
Presumably works like most of the other football awards, a popularity contest.
Have a look a recent winners and people finishing high up. It's a surprisingly high calibre list
I would definitely, 100% take Estupinan off Brighton.
He too was a random player Watford signed from Udinese to add to their 37-man squad that ends up having no impact in the Premier League.
Never seen him so can't comment on whether this would be a good signing or not, but it seems as though Lecce would accept a lower fee in the summer so why not wait until then? The likes of Kerkez and Ait-Nouri will also be more realistic options at that point.
Use the buy-back on Carreras for now even if we don't see him as a long-term option. He's still an improvement on what we have currently and, assuming we don't give him stupid wages, could be sold again in 6 months for £25-30m. Or he might impress enough that we decide he is capable.
Use the buy-back on Carreras for now even if we don't see him as a long-term option. He's still an improvement on what we have currently and, assuming we don't give him stupid wages, could be sold again in 6 months for £25-30m. Or he might impress enough that we decide he is capable.
We better get a proper wide player as well, yes I know this guy can play multiple positions
This is fine but is Garnacho anywhere near as good as guys like Haaland, Pedri, Mbappe, Bellingham, Yamal etc. in the years that they won it?
He's miles away from that type of level for me.
He's not starting for a 14th place United team.
Yeah it's awkward situation because desperately need a LWB now, however would prefer waiting for a Kerkez/Ait-Nouri in summer as don't see us signing him and one of them in our situation where we need multiple positions
It's based on a combination of people and data. The identities of the panel (50+) are kept anonymous but from what I've read, it's a top-tier panel.
They supplement the subjective opinions of the panel with objective performance data.
So no, it's not based off one guys opinion. I would definitely take the results of the Golden Boy shortlist over some random on this forum.
Now that we don’t have a DOF anymore, who’s making the decision on this signing?
Wilcox?
Wilcox?
It's literally journalists nominating 5 players each and tallying the points up
Yeah along with Vivell I reckon
It's literally journalists nominating 5 players each and tallying the points up
It's funny how much of a hole you keep digging for yourself.
Like I said, they use statistical data in combination with subjective opinions of the panel. You can google this for yourself.
https://www.europeangoldenboy.com/golden-boy-football-benchmark-index/
Oh wow, they are using PowerBI how scientific
Wrong thread for this discussion anyway.
We should only be signing players who fit into the new manager’s system. If this guy is comfortable in that formation and has the potential to be quality, it makes complete sense at that price. If it’s another signing being made upstairs and we end up trying to shoehorn them in, then I’ll despair.
He really isn't....