I feel like we almost have the same conversation multiple times over in every single thread
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
I haven't seen him play even once, but 30-40M for an inexperienced left-back seems like a lot. If he's truly regarded as a top talent, then why aren't other top clubs showing interest?
For a more affordable 20-25M punt, sure, I’d be open to it, but at 35-40M, there are definitely more established left-backs available. We could likely get someone like Miguel Gutierrez from Girona for much less, and he has already proven himself more than Dorgu. At 40M, we're talking about players like Kerkez or Ait-Nouri, who are much more consolidated. If we're looking for budget-friendly options, there are other promising players like Jorrel Hato from Ajax.
I really hope we don’t make the mistake of overpaying for him. That’s what put us in this difficult financial situation in the first place, and we need to make smarter business decisions moving forward.
For a more affordable 20-25M punt, sure, I’d be open to it, but at 35-40M, there are definitely more established left-backs available. We could likely get someone like Miguel Gutierrez from Girona for much less, and he has already proven himself more than Dorgu. At 40M, we're talking about players like Kerkez or Ait-Nouri, who are much more consolidated. If we're looking for budget-friendly options, there are other promising players like Jorrel Hato from Ajax.
I really hope we don’t make the mistake of overpaying for him. That’s what put us in this difficult financial situation in the first place, and we need to make smarter business decisions moving forward.
Just seems odd that as soon as you saw Caicedo in a Brighton shirt you saw a polished Premier League player. Brighton themselves apparently saw a Koninklijke Beerschot Voetbalclub Antwerpen player.
Take your point though - I've no doubt that if we backed out, Napoli would snap up Dorgu and it wouldn't be costing them £30m.
Feels like a £15-20m player. Hope we don’t overpay.
I swear people live in the 2010’s still.
We should draw the line at €30m and be prepare to walk away. We have to put an end to this glazer era overpaying on every transfer.
Thats why they didn't pay 40m euros for him.
Interesting, how much have you watched him play?
I know nothing about him myself, so I can't put a value on him as a player, but you are saying around the amount Everton paid for James Garner in 2022 would be his true value?
He's playing against Barca tonight, it'll show his level going against Yamal. Be interesting to see.
There were many reasons they didn't pay €40m for him but I would guess that a big one would be that they didn't have to.
Exactly
players who havent even played for the first team go for 10-15m these days.And nor do we for Dorgu. It's a stupid price and lecce know that. He's available for cheaper in the summer it seems.
Lecce rejected approaches from Chelsea and Spurs for him last year, Liverpool have been linked with him all year, City and Barca have been linked with him in the past and Napoli are bidding for him now.
Whatever about the price, this isn't some mega-obscure player. At some point some big club was going to buy him.
How much can we spend right now without a player sale or loan with the other club paying?
Caicedo was lightyears ahead of Dorgu. He was a wonderkid talent coming from Ecuador, his all rounded skill set is up there with the best I’ve seen from a player his age. You’re way off with ‘incredibly raw’.
I just watched an 11min youtube highlights video and from that I drew the following conclusions:
- he doesn't look like he's in control of the ball when he dribbles, aways a good sign
- has a decent but inconsistent touch
- scores goals for some reason
- no idea if he has good stamina
- plays in Seria A (a worrying sign)
I think we should sign him.
- he doesn't look like he's in control of the ball when he dribbles, aways a good sign
- has a decent but inconsistent touch
- scores goals for some reason
- no idea if he has good stamina
- plays in Seria A (a worrying sign)
I think we should sign him.
Congrats you've been promoted to chief scout
I haven’t seen him play - just the YT highlights. Doesn’t seem like he’s ever fully in control of the ball. I’m sure our scouts have more data on him. But for £30m+ I was hoping for a more polished player.
Thank you mr. Ratcliffe, I was indeed the best in my class (of clowns)
He is staying put apparently
Fair enough statement
this translates roughly to: we disagree with the 30m on offer and want our demanded 40M.
I’d rather spend the extra fee on proven PL players than take a chance on this player. I’d be thinking any of Ait Nouri, Robinson , Kerkez would be in around £40/£50 million for example
I'm hoping we've learned from our terrible transfer history but I'm not confident we won't overpay
Players like Udogie, Kerkez and Estupunian all went for sub £20m fees in the last couple of years. I quite like the look of Dorgu but it's definitely an inflated fee.
That reads to me like they'd want the player back on loan for the rest of the season. That was rumoured to be part of Napoli's offer for Dorgu.
Completely agree. Max we should be looking at is €35m with all add ons and add ons being at least 20% of the total package.
Their previous biggest sale was Hjulmand for €21m including add ons. He had over 150 senior appearances before his sale. Dorgu has just over 50 appearances. But they want €40m for him just cause it’s United. 100% sure that if Villa or Spurs were in for him, price would be max €30m total.
Also, Udogie was purchased by Spurs from Udinese for around €20m when he was the same age a couple of years ago . No way does it make sense to pay twice as much.
We dont have the money for an expensive signing so I dont know why we dont just loan Sergio Reguilon (who would probably do alright in the LWB position) again for the rest of the season then see what's available in the summer.
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there's also mayor pressure on the club to at least sign someone at left back. Clubs know this plus they know our history of overpaying. It'll be a tough few transfer periods.
When player is looking average even on youtube compilation is always a huge red flag for me.
Clearly just want more money.
Assist after 3 minutes, great bit of business that
Clear as the day.
Why even accept the meeting if there's zero intention to sell at the right price. Not to mention the signals it sends to the player, who probably wants this to happen. Could backfire.
I fear we'll fall for it hook line and sinker
So they are known to be good enough for United?
Because buying in the PL automatically is the best policy of course. It's worked out so well for United post Fergie buying players from mid to lower PL teams with AWB, Maguire, Schneiderlin, Fellaini, Lukaku etc.
£30m in todays football money is a somewhat modest sum for a 20 year old with potential, plus I think full backs and wing backs will soon fetch a lot more money than they used to due to their increasing importance in modern styles of play.
The fees going to be obviously inflated because it’s mid-season and we’re not doing too well, but I have more confidence in this hierarchy to not get us rinsed unlike the Woodward, Arnold and Murtough days.
The fees going to be obviously inflated because it’s mid-season and we’re not doing too well, but I have more confidence in this hierarchy to not get us rinsed unlike the Woodward, Arnold and Murtough days.
This is exactly what drives me bonkers. We are talking about signing a more or less unknown left back for best part of 40m Euro on the understanding that its an inflated fee because its mid-season yet we are already driving down our own price on Garnacho and are likely to sell him for 50m Euro. Garnacho should not be leaving for anything less that 80m Euro minimum. End of. 40m for Dorgu is a joke. Far too overpriced.
Completely. Look at what Garnacho has done in his career, his scoring record, the big goals in key games. It wasn't that long ago we were saying he's the most exciting prospect we've had on the wings since Ronaldo arrived in 03. And his stats support this.
He's a goalscoring, match winning, 20 year old international winger who has won major trophies.
No way is his value only 10m more than Lecce's left back who has less than 50 career appearances. No justification whatsoever.