I agree, he just seems a bit overpriced.
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
£30 million is madness for an unproven player . Move on.
Proven? Well 80mil thank you
To who? Do you think you're getting a top class, proven wing back for £30m?
Have you been in a coma since 2019?
Tell this to City who just signed two lesser known centerbacks for similar money. 30m is the normal price for those kind of players, but the question is whether they bring the right profile and Dorgu seems to be okay.
That’s the market since a while now I’m afraid
Exactly. £30 million is like £10-15 million from 10-20 years ago.
It’s considered a punt.
No. We sold Elanga for £15m and this deal should be in the same ballpark.
And we are notoriously bad at selling players.
And buying players.
We have a completely different recruitment team so equating a sale like Elanga to the guys running things now makes no sense at all.
Put it this way: what are the chances of him turning out to be good enough for us? Let's assume odds of 30%.
If you pay £30m, then you're effectively paying around £90m to fill the position, taking into account the chance of success.
You have to take a probabilistic approach to transfer dealings.
If you pay £30m, then you're effectively paying around £90m to fill the position, taking into account the chance of success.
You have to take a probabilistic approach to transfer dealings.
Where have you plucked that arbitrary figure from?
this is interesting maths to say to the least
A best guess. What odds would you put on it?Where have you plucked that arbitrary figure from?
Indeed.
We should start including them in contracts. If you have a 30% increase in performance each season you get an extra 30k a week.
I'd probably start by basing it on the success rate of the current regime, which is tricky as there is not much data available to make an accurate assessment.
How are these the same?
United actively wanted to sell a fringe squad player who played enough to demonstrate he wasn't good enough to play for them.
Dorgu potentially might be good enough, is a key player for Lecce and they won't want to sell.
Even with the best scouting and transfer team in the world, I doubt you ever get much better odds than 50% when buying young unproven talents.
We spent that on Amad after about 200mins of 1st team action for Atalanta...
Lecce definitely want to sell at some point. They've never sold a player for more than €20m (£17m).
Is he twice as good as any other player to ever play for the club?
Brother, it’s not been 2002 for quite some time
All we have to go on for now is:
Zirkzee - Questionalble
De Ligt - Good transfer
Yoro - Too young to tell
Mazraoui - Good transfer
Ugarte - Good transfer
I know it's not that simplistic but it's the starting point I would work from when attempting to put a number on it. 3/5 signings being good is fairly decent.
Is it, though? Granted, lots of club are willing to make disproportionate offers due to desperation, developing tunnel-vision or lack of feasible alternatives in the mercato, which inflates transfer business (Manchester United itself is a major culprit in this inflation, which has unfortunately caught up with us even though the club is a proverbial money-minting machine).
But three of the very best 3—4—2—1 teams in club football have managed to acquire starting quality wingbacks in recent years for eminently reasonable sums of money. Which does give us a half-decent frame of reference, in a roundabout way (in terms of the possibilities in the mercato, if we're astute enough and cast a wide enough net).
- Free transfer: Alejandro Grimaldo to Bayer Leverkusen.
- €20 million: Raoul Bellanova to Atalanta.
- €11 million: Jeremie Frimpong to Bayer Leverkusen.
- €7 million: cost of Federico Dimarco's return to Internazionale.
Asking for a bit of financial prudence and restraint from Manchester United, when the player in question is by no means a standout talent (to merit such a significant outlay) and we have limited spending capabilities, isn't exactly out of order.
Spot on. Why do so many people on here want us to spaff our (very limited) transfer funds up the wall yet AGAIN?
Couldn't have put it better myself.
And if they do it will be for a lot of money because he's a key part of their team and a player with high potential.
The second point is absolute nonsense logic, what are you even on about? Newcastle's record sale was Elliott Anderson to Forest this summer - does that mean Isak can't possibly be worth £87.5m because he's not literally 2.5x better than Anderson? A club's player sale history has absolutely no barely on a current player's value.
Firstly, the idea that 4GA makes him a write off, but 6GA would be ok, is kind of ridiculous. One more goal and one more assist over 20 games is a marginal difference. Those numbers are very clearly in the same bracket of performance.
Secondly, the notion that £30M is the preserve of stand out players is from a different era. Given its January and we would be taking away one of the better players from a team fighting relegation, that figure is about right for a player that the club think can both contribute short term but also has a higher ceiling than their current performance level.
If there's another left wing back on the market with an order of magnitude better GA and/or a fraction of the price, I'd very clearly prefer them. But given the options on the market right now I don't have any issue with this transfer.
I'd rather Isak than 2.5 Elliot Andersons.
Why don't we just send them Amass on loan for a reduction in fee. We wanna loan Amass out. They'll be getting a promising player for the position they're also losing a promising player. Seems too obvious
In an ideal world, maybe. But us selling someone and a team like Lecce selling someone are 2 different things, people are never going to pay through the nose for cast offs from big clubs, we're the only mugs that do it. That's before you even take into account things like wages.
It's not madness, but slightly overpriced, yes. Should be around 20-25m. We paid 25 for Mazraoui.
They paid somewhere in the region of 300k for him, £30m would be a ridiculous fee for someone who's not really proven anything in the position we're supposedly signing him for. If he moves in the summer within Italy, he won't go to close to that, so we're being taken advantage of. Italian clubs know this.
He’s going Napoli. Let’s move on
Spot on.
Somewhat understandably, a lot of fans have lost sight of what a good value transfer looks like.
I've seen on Twitter that Liverpool want Kerkez as a long term replacement for Robertson and have offered £30 million. For a player like Dorgu we should be looking at a total package of around £15m at the very maximum.
The price is the price because United are desperate and there is no alternatives.