Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Really? Wow, you're hard to impress. Looks very solid defensively in this (great work at 2:25 to cover the early ball in the 3-on-1 and then snuff out the danger altogether) and much tidier footwork than in tight spaces with the instinct and willingness to make the sort of runs that Dalot hardly ever makes.
This isn't brilliant but given this was last year and we're talking 13th vs 2nd I'm not surprised he didn't have any great impact. Certainly far more suited to playing at WB than Dalot.
I'd love it if we start just walking away from targets when the price gets silly. If we'd had that approach we wouldn't have signed Antony... or Mount... or Hojlund... Though we still would have signed Sancho.
I’m not shocked by people who haven’t seen much of him bar a few compilations and yet already writing him off 
It’s bizarre at how fast written off, sure you can have some reservations but to completely write him off is bonkers.
Our previous transfers haven’t been great I admit, but to then just completely write off every target must get tiring no? At least have some hope
It’s bizarre at how fast written off, sure you can have some reservations but to completely write him off is bonkers.
Our previous transfers haven’t been great I admit, but to then just completely write off every target must get tiring no? At least have some hope
I wouldn't have a clue about this bloke.
I thought Malacia looked decent before we bought him but he wasn't up to it and this bloke is double the price!
I thought Malacia looked decent before we bought him but he wasn't up to it and this bloke is double the price!
Agreed with bolded, it is a punt, no matter how highly thought of he is.
I've been wanting this for years, sends a message but we never seem to.
The double standards placed against us is ridiculous. We need to start walking away from these kind of deals. Surely the board and manager can see they’re trying to fleece us?
Young talent is great and I’m all for it, but this guy has hardly put in wonder kid style performances to command 40m. I’m not saying he’s rubbish, but no way should we be shelling out 40m on him.
Why do people keep saying 35 million is big money? What year are you folk living in?
what I see is people are unsure due to the rumored high fee, this would be a welcomed signing if the fee is 20m or below, it would be looked at as a punt which would be more acceptable.I’m not shocked by people who haven’t seen much of him bar a few compilations and yet already writing him off
It’s bizarre at how fast written off, sure you can have some reservations but to completely write him off is bonkers.
Our previous transfers haven’t been great I admit, but to then just completely write off every target must get tiring no? At least have some hope
Strange, isn't it? £35m doesn't seem ridiculous. City spent a similar amount on Khusanov and Dorgu would be coming in as a starter.
Yea, 35 Million for a player that we expect to be a starter really isn't a lot of money these days.
Not going to pretend to know a lot about him but if we expect him to make the Left wingback role his own then it's an absolute no brainer. We need an athlete for that position and it sounds like he fits the bill..... Also, i'm sick of waiting for clubs like Brighton to sign players like this and double their value whilst we chase shite or unrealistic targets.
Not going to pretend to know a lot about him but if we expect him to make the Left wingback role his own then it's an absolute no brainer. We need an athlete for that position and it sounds like he fits the bill..... Also, i'm sick of waiting for clubs like Brighton to sign players like this and double their value whilst we chase shite or unrealistic targets.
I think some of the negativity in here is a little overboard in general but I do get the concerns over the fee. Dorgu is still relatively unproven and plays in a position where you wouldn't expect a steep transfer fee for that kind of player.
For reference, Spurs signed Udogie for about half of what Lecce want for Dorgu a couple of years ago. Same position, age and league.
Having never seen him before United were linked, I've watched a bit of him in the last few days and I quite like what I've seen. United's squad is severely lacking in physicality and Dorgu is definitely the sort of profile I'd like to see us bring in during the rebuild. He's tall, fast, strong and runs with power. His technique is still pretty raw so we'd have to be patient with him, but it doesn't look like we're going to be able to afford a finished article like Davies or Mendes and, if that's the case, Dorgu looks like a decent bet.
It would be the same story as Højlund. It’s far too early for him to join United. We need players who are ready and capable of making a difference from day one. Nothing has changed in our recruitment strategy. We remain one of the worst-run football clubs when it comes to recruitment and football operations.
20m is very very rare these days, the CAF complains we don’t get enough for our young players but then also complains when teams from abroad price theirs high. Can’t have it both ways
Mazaroui cost 15m last season.
Brighton would sign him for £10 milion though
Brighton signed Ferdi Kadioglu for a comparable fee. I know he was more highly rated than Dorgu is right now but, equally, he hadn't played in a top five league at that stage.
The difference been our rivals sell their youngsters for decent fees while we sell ours for peanuts. Then Leece come along and demand £30 million for an unknown because Utd are interested
A starter at the 13th placed team and the 5th placed team have different meanings
Dorgu wouldnt be starting at City
Also Kadioglu is 4/5 years older (and not a 6'2" unit).
Yeah it's nonsense to say Brighton would pay £10m. This guy is a £30m player all day in today's market - how much above that he costs will depend on competition for his signature. probably.
Yeah, it's a bit strange.
He's a young fullback a lot of top clubs have been linked with, who we're trying to buy in January. And £30m+ has always been the figure I've seen speculated for him, even when it was teams like Liverpool being linked.
Yet some people have decided he should cost 10m, seemingly based on vibes.
Its alot when we are totally skint and shipping Antony out on loan to remove £1.5m from the wage bill.
just couple of posts above us mentioned Spurs got Udogie for 20m or so, same age and same league, Malacia was older and was a full international with the Dutch NT before we signed him and we got him for less than 20m, it's not that rare.
He has 6 goals and 1 assist from 37 starts and 15 subs for Lecce, mostly played as a right winger and less often as a fullback
For a player who has spent most of his time playing as a winger, its a small end product so he shouldnt command a large fee.
Edit - In fact a player he's a bit like is Odobert who had 3 goals and 2 assists from 25 starts for Burnley at 19 last season. Spurs bought him for £24.7 million and hes barely played for them. 2 starts in the league this season and 262 mins total
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Oh come on, don’t be ridiculous, you can’t use our current places in the league as a stick to beat us with in terms of attraction, neither of the teams are where they should be
I can almost guarantee that if Dorgu went to Liverpool (who he has been linked with) people would have a very different opinion of him
Our scouts have been great pretty good when it comes to identifying unknown players.
Our interest in the likes of Caicedo and Alvarez in recent years, and the signing of Garnacho show that we can find the right players. We’ve just always been bad at signing them.
Things seem to have changed now with Leon and Kone coming in.
Our scouts aren’t being paid to watch YouTube highlight reels. They’re assessing whether the player has the right mental, physical and technical tools to become good enough for our first team. Dorgu may excel mentally and physically, and the technical skills may be promising enough for our club to take a punt on him.
We don’t know if that’s the case, but our scouts know a hell of a lot more than we will ever know.
But it doesn’t reflect the stature of the club is what I’m saying
What is your point though, that we should pay less cause we're 13th?
I dont know what you are saying. Its an easy standard to be a starter at United at the moment, there are many many players in each position in the premier league who would take a place in the united lineup. City are 5th, bad for them but you'd still take 90% of their players over the alternatives. Night and day with us right now.
Just looked up a bit of info on his passing stats compared to a few other wing backs (Neco Williams, Kerkez, Ait-Nouri, Robinson), included Amad, as they've been deployed in sililar positions. This separates the passes into short, medium and long though, which i think helps more to see the bigger picture than just the overall %. There's also defensive stats in there too. For anyone interested.
https://fbref.com/tiny/xsQZW
https://fbref.com/tiny/xsQZW
To be honest, I do somewhat understand the fundamental concerns surrounding this transfer. I, like I imagine quite a few people on here, cannot honestly claim to have seen Dorgu play. There are a few factors which would make me twitchy, though. He's not played a tonne of football in Series A yet (although still quite a lot more than Hojlund when we somehow decided it'd be a good idea to spend 70 million on him), so you are judging from quite a limited sample size even if you've watched absolutely every single minute he's played for Lecce.
On the other hand, I will say that from what I've heard I quite like his profile. The fact that he plays a lot of matches as a winger is, in my opinion, a big plus point since a major problem with our side right now is that none of Dalot, Mazraoui, or Malacia are aggressive enough in the left wing-back role. I also like that he's a strong athlete; this is something I feel we've too often neglected when making signings and is especially important in those wing-back slots.
Overall, based on absolutely nothing but the absolute basic information that anybody could find on this transfer, I'd say 30 million pounds would be quite a steep price. With that said, if it includes performance related add-ons that would change the story quite a bit, and recent reports suggest they would form a part of the fee.
On the other hand, I will say that from what I've heard I quite like his profile. The fact that he plays a lot of matches as a winger is, in my opinion, a big plus point since a major problem with our side right now is that none of Dalot, Mazraoui, or Malacia are aggressive enough in the left wing-back role. I also like that he's a strong athlete; this is something I feel we've too often neglected when making signings and is especially important in those wing-back slots.
Overall, based on absolutely nothing but the absolute basic information that anybody could find on this transfer, I'd say 30 million pounds would be quite a steep price. With that said, if it includes performance related add-ons that would change the story quite a bit, and recent reports suggest they would form a part of the fee.
But player valuations aren't based solely on goals/assists. And he's played mostly as a LB.
When I first saw the link I was concerned about the lack of assists given that we need to be signing playmaker level wing backs. After watching him play, AWB has better technique... We’d be better off signing Alvaro Carreras back for 14 million surely?!
No, he’s slow and lethargic as feck
That wasn’t noticeable at all when he played for us in his last preseason here. Have you got examples of him being slow and lethargic?
Alvaro is a lot more limited in terms of physicality, with complaints about our physical levels being one of the consistent themes of Amorim's time here thus far.
I'm also not sure how signing Alvaro would work from a PSR perspective. Obviously selling him and buying him back itself does damage, but then you're presumably also giving up the sell on fee you'd get if he went to another club, which would also presumably be pure profit from a PSR perspective? That's quite a bit of financial downside for a player the club (also presumably) didn't think was that outstanding to begin with, even when playing a fullback role that didn't come with the same physical demands as wingback.