You've also got a ton more positives posted about him than you do for this player.
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Any better than Malacia?
If one player fixes everything for him then it's a great system
Price for Napoli 20 M euros, price for United 40 M euros
He actually looks intriguing in this video, better than some of his highlight reels.
Merits
- Confident, looks like a leader of the team
- Utility player, looks like he could play in various positions; LWB, LB, LCB, RWB etc
- strong, direct and ballsy
Demerits
- Looks like he’s playing gungho at 110% which needs refining for specific roles.
- The gungho might be masking an inability to refine his game.
Great news , any player that is that versatile doesn’t normally excel in any certain position
They’re just tryna bait us to sell Garnacho to them on the cheap
Yes because people know more about Kerkez than this player
Right, so there is more posts in absolute terms about one compared to the other, so by default youl get more negative posts and more positive posts.
The Kerkez thread actually has more positives than negatives.
Wonder if this is Garnacho related brinksmanship
Wonder if this is Garnacho related brinksmanship
Or Lecce and his agent using us to get Napoli to pay more.
Reece James did before he shattered into tiny pieces. He excelled in pretty much all of them tbf.
Yeah, im not convinced United have been great at developing players in recent years. Hopefully that changes.
They'd probably charge all PL clubs extra, but they also know we're desperate for a left wing back, they can smell it off us.
Needs to be signed to play now. We’re not in the luxury position of loaning back players to develop them like we used to when things were all Rosie.
It's that darn United tax again
You’d think it would be the other way round since they’d be selling in the same league. That’s like us charging Chelsea more than Napoli for Garnacho as they play in the same league as us.
I rather United don't buy anyone or buying unknown talent than being mug off by other teams. This is why we overpay for Anthony, Hojlund, Sancho, Casemiro. What happen to Ole/Chicharito type of transfers?
Wonder if this is Garnacho related brinksmanship
We shouldn't bite for once. Call their bluff and move on to other targets.
Yeah shame we haven't the money for either because would give us such a boost in that area right now
Great post. It seems like an expensive punt and that’s a huge risk, especially considering how precarious our finances are and how much we need to spend to actually improve our team.For what it's worth, I'm in no way opposed to signing young players who aren't necessarily finished articles, as long as they evidence the requisite talent level. But €40 million is quite a bit of money, and entirely too much for someone who would represent a “punt” for all intents and purposes.
You add €10-20 million to what Lecce are demanding (which isn't much in the grand scheme of things), and you enter surer territory. Like Aït-Nouri, for example — that's a player who is still quite young at 23 years of age, closer to being a finished article so he would be more likely to hit the ground running, well suited to a playmaking wingback role, acclimated to Premier League football, and capable of operating as a fullback in a 4—3—3 or 4—2—3—1 in case Amorim is not the solution and the next head coach employs those bases (we need to construct a squad for the club with the medium to long term in mind, not for the coach-of-the-hour as coaches can be transient figures).
Or you wait until the summer and plump for Quenda, who comes across as a superior talent.
With Dorgu, we risk spending big money, waiting 2-3 years for him to develop, and ultimately arriving at a finished article that falls short of exceptations. So you naturally wonder if it's a prudent investment at this moment in time, when money is tight. All of that being said, I would obviously hope he comes up leaps and bounds and defies all expectations, if we do end up signing him.
Don't think so. But I'm frequently proven wrong, so you need to take all assessments and judgement calls with a fistful of salt.
I judge his current state. Our team needs a better player than what we currently have to get out of this slump. It doesn't make sense spending 30-40m on player that is not much better than we have now, as he's expected to be a first teamer.
This feels like when we're buying Hojlund from Atlanta after a season in Italy for 70m (as striker is generally more expensive than LWB). We needed a striker that could elevate our attack, immediately. Lo and behold...
Well, unless that rumor of we're skint is false one. We actually have a few hundred millions to spend.
Yeah would feel differently if Malacia money
Combination of both I would imagine. Napoli wanting us to lower the Garnacho price in exchange for backing off on Dorgu and that suiting Lecce. I can't realistically believe we'd spend a fee that big on this lad. I'm even less convinced that Napoli would.
Then close the door on Garnacho. We don't have to sell him to anyone unless they meet our evaluations. I understand the need for a LWB but if they cost too much we move on to the next target. This season is fecked anyway
From the rumours, / tweets, it looks like we are bidding EUR30m and they want around EUR40m. That looks like a gap that can be bridged via negotiation and some add-ons etc. I think EUR25m + 10m add-ons, perhaps ?
I don't get the raw young player comparisons to the Hojlund transfer to be honest. The positions makes them completely different. For the LWB position, you need speed, physicality, ball carrying, enthusiasm to shuttle up and down, and decent ability to pick out a cross. Other traits, so long as they're not glaring weaknesses, are "nice to haves", not deal breakers. I believe you can get all the aforementioned traits in a 20 year old, it's not that uncommon. Think 18 year old Luke Shaw, 20 year old Nuno Mendes or even younger Alphonso davies. Sure there are more refined and experienced players out there, I would argue the incremental gain isn't worth the cost, if it prevents us from getting our other targets.
The striker position on the other hand is a whole different ball game. It is extremely rare to find a 21 year old refned enough to lead the line for most premier league clubs, let alone at Man united. This is the position we should be splurging big money on and I reckon we will come summer.
My question with Dorgu is, are his essential traits for the role good enough? Namely his speed and ball carrying. I haven't watched any of his games, just highlights and in those, he just doesn't stand out as rapid. He uses his strength very well but I don't think I saw a single clip of him bursting past a player.
Also, ball carrying wise, his technique doesn't look very clean. Not sure if it's close control or if he is getting the ball stuck underneath him, it just doesn't look clean. This is a particularly weird one as all the reports I have read, seem to rave about this as a standout trait of his.
If the scouts think the answers to these to questions are yes then paying under £30 mill for him would be a good deal.
The striker position on the other hand is a whole different ball game. It is extremely rare to find a 21 year old refned enough to lead the line for most premier league clubs, let alone at Man united. This is the position we should be splurging big money on and I reckon we will come summer.
My question with Dorgu is, are his essential traits for the role good enough? Namely his speed and ball carrying. I haven't watched any of his games, just highlights and in those, he just doesn't stand out as rapid. He uses his strength very well but I don't think I saw a single clip of him bursting past a player.
Also, ball carrying wise, his technique doesn't look very clean. Not sure if it's close control or if he is getting the ball stuck underneath him, it just doesn't look clean. This is a particularly weird one as all the reports I have read, seem to rave about this as a standout trait of his.
If the scouts think the answers to these to questions are yes then paying under £30 mill for him would be a good deal.
I gotta say I really dont believe he is what we need. Much rather we pay significantly less and get Alvaro, who I believe has a much higher ceiling.
People used to say Martial didn't look good while dribbling, made no difference as to whether he could beat his man or not though.
Yes the wingback/fullback position is filled with these sorts of players, really. Traditionally and even now.
State of our scouting must be pretty low. Linked to players having half a decent season rather than being preemptive.
Yeah I far prefer scouts who find players having shite seasons.
I want someone who can play proactively from the back. His dribbling looks good but also a bit awkward. Really not convinced but I also don't think he's a bad player. 40m Eur is a stupid fee.
I just don't see it with this guy.