I'd agree if Ornstein hadn't reported it.
Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
He looks more clunky than Dalot in that video, would rather take Kerkez or Robinson over him.
You mean Robinson, and both would cost more than this and won't move in January anyway
Rightly so given issues with our physical levels has been a constant refrain from Amorim since he arrived.
First choice. We have Amass and Leon arrives in the summer. Talking about Luke Shaw playing for Man Utd is purely hypothesis at this point and Malacia is crap. Dorgu is the type of player the likes of Dortmund buy and then sell for double or triple the money two years later. But we arent a feeder club so if they develop into something special we will keep them.
Cant comment on Dorgu specifically, but this is the profile of player we need to/are going to have to sign at this point. Its going to be a project. We dont have the money or time to add 3 or 4 very expensive players a summer to build the manager an 11 by 3 seasons time. By the time many of our post SAF managers have actually got a team they are happy with put together, the interim period has seen the fans grow restless and them lose the dressing room. 3rd season done Mourinho, Ole and ETH. Plus almost none of our mega money signings have really worked out over the last decade.
People are living in cuckoo land if they still think we are 2 or 3 large money signings from being in the big time again. We are now a lower mid table side trying to plot our way into the top 6, despite expectations, or the name above the door.
yes. For a 20 y.o. But he won't compete with that age bracket when playing in PL.
JFC, you feckers aren't even going to give this guy a chance.
Constant moaning in this thread.
Constant moaning in this thread.
if Amorim signs off on the player then we have no right to moan as he's getting a player he wants for his system
It's not the player people are moaning about, it's the rumoured price.
If we were being linked with him for £10m, I'm sure everyone would be like "cool, worth a punt".
After Diego Leon confirmed for the summer, a more accomplished signing at LWB surely is what we are after...
I get the feeling Dorgu is possibly our plan B or C rather than no. 1 choice, which makes sense after the earlier links to Mendes and it taking until 3 weeks into the window to make progress on this.
I think he’s an interesting prospect but right now we need players who have the experience and quality to come into our dressing room, inspire confidence and have an immediate impact on the pitch. I struggle to see Dorgu achieving this based on the little most of us have seen of him.
Who knows who we have targeted ahead of him, but any of Mendes, Miguel Gutierrez, Theo Hernandez, Ait-Nouri, Kerkez (admittedly no chance this Jan), even Bradley Locko would be better fits in our current situation.
I get the feeling Dorgu is possibly our plan B or C rather than no. 1 choice, which makes sense after the earlier links to Mendes and it taking until 3 weeks into the window to make progress on this.
I think he’s an interesting prospect but right now we need players who have the experience and quality to come into our dressing room, inspire confidence and have an immediate impact on the pitch. I struggle to see Dorgu achieving this based on the little most of us have seen of him.
Who knows who we have targeted ahead of him, but any of Mendes, Miguel Gutierrez, Theo Hernandez, Ait-Nouri, Kerkez (admittedly no chance this Jan), even Bradley Locko would be better fits in our current situation.
"For a 20 year old" seems like the right standard to judge his physical attributes on given he is in fact 20.
Obviously he will be facing older, more physically developed players. But that's why nobody ever buys a 20 year old imagining you're immediately getting them at the best they'll ever be.
Yeah I agree, I can't imagine United needed to wait until mid-late January to approach this kid. Who is now also meeting <insert big name club> to discuss many possible moves.
But it feeds the hungry transfer addiction many fans have so lets enjoy the rumours for a night or two.
Ornstein doesn't piss about. The news is obviously true.Yeah I agree, I can't imagine United needed to wait until mid-late January to approach this kid. Who is now also meeting <insert big name club> to discuss many possible moves.
But it feeds the hungry transfer addiction many fans have so lets enjoy the rumours for a night or two.
Yeah I agree, I can't imagine United needed to wait until mid-late January to approach this kid. Who is now also meeting <insert big name club> to discuss many possible moves.
But it feeds the hungry transfer addiction many fans have so lets enjoy the rumours for a night or two.
Yeah, no. Ornstein is as reliable as it gets.
We spent €40 million on Zirkzee and nearby double that on Hojlund who both can’t score so do you think there’s a €40 million striker who scores goals and is available mid season out there ?
For what it's worth, I'm in no way opposed to signing young players who aren't necessarily finished articles, as long as they evidence the requisite talent level. But €40 million is quite a bit of money, and entirely too much for someone who would represent a “punt” for all intents and purposes.
You add €10-20 million to what Lecce are demanding (which isn't much in the grand scheme of things), and you enter surer territory. Like Aït-Nouri, for example — that's a player who is still quite young at 23 years of age, closer to being a finished article so he would be more likely to hit the ground running, well suited to a playmaking wingback role, acclimated to Premier League football, and capable of operating as a fullback in a 4—3—3 or 4—2—3—1 in case Amorim is not the solution and the next head coach employs those bases (we need to construct a squad for the club with the medium to long term in mind, not for the coach-of-the-hour as coaches can be transient figures).
Or you wait until the summer and plump for Quenda, who comes across as a superior talent.
With Dorgu, we risk spending big money, waiting 2-3 years for him to develop, and ultimately arriving at a finished article that falls short of exceptations. So you naturally wonder if it's a prudent investment at this moment in time, when money is tight. All of that being said, I would obviously hope he comes up leaps and bounds and defies all expectations, if we do end up signing him.
Don't think so. But I'm frequently proven wrong, so you need to take all assessments and judgement calls with a fistful of salt.
Don't know why we're arguing about this. I said he's not physically imposing. And you said, he is for a 20 y.o. Can't argue with yours, but that's not what i said.
Good post, thank youFor what it's worth, I'm in no way opposed to signing young players who aren't necessarily finished articles, as long as they evidence the requisite talent level. But €40 million is quite a bit of money, and entirely too much for someone who would represent a “punt” for all intents and purposes.
You add €10-20 million to what Lecce are demanding (which isn't much in the grand scheme of things), and you enter surer territory. Like Aït-Nouri, for example — that's a player who is still quite young at 23 years of age, closer to being a finished article so he would be more likely to hit the ground running, well suited to a playmaking wingback role, acclimated to Premier League football, and capable of operating as a fullback in a 4—3—3 or 4—2—3—1 in case Amorim is not the solution and the next head coach employs those bases (we need to construct a squad for the club with the medium to long term in mind, not for the coach-of-the-hour as coaches can be transient figures).
Or you wait until the summer and plump for Quenda, who comes across as a superior talent.
With Dorgu, we risk spending big money, waiting 2-3 years for him to develop, and ultimately arriving at a finished article that falls short of exceptations. So you naturally wonder if it's a prudent investment at this moment in time, when money is tight. All of that being said, I would obviously hope he comes up leaps and bounds and defies all expectations, if we do end up signing him.
Don't think so. But I'm frequently proven wrong, so you need to take all assessments and judgement calls with a fistful of salt.
Aren't people allowed to have opinions on players we are linked with and rate them. For example,I'm sure people on here liked antony at ajax and some people on here didn't like antony at ajax. The latter were correct. Dorgu at 40m is too raw for this already raw team. Hojlund is raw,mainoo is learning,garnacho is developing,yoro is being eased in. We need to get solid proven players around the mid 20s mark. Not sign at 17yr old left back from south American and a 20year old from Italian league who also plays in same position.
We get these kind of replies in every transfer, question; have you seen our past buys for crying out loud?
Let the caf have their opinion and worries, it's deserved after years of failed wasted transfers. Every transfer should be questioned after wasting 100's of million in garbage
Usually when people say "I don't see anything special" about a young player and then list their traits, they're taking their age into account. Otherwise a lot of talented young players don't look talented
If you weren't, that's fine. But then you went into that video with pretty high/unfair expectations for what you'd see from him physically.
What's his upside. Someone like Denzel Dumfries? Kind of seems similar. Big, fast, good scorer for a FB but has some technical hiccups?
Whilst I agree about Ornstien, lately he has been going down the Romano route. Also he quoted another source for this not as his own.
He did, but if he felt that the report wasn't legit, he wouldn’t have mentioned it.
Wish we'd try Kerkez or Alt Nouri instead but oh well.
Looks like a Watford player.
With the state of our squad, Ruben would probably be willing to sign off on anything at this point in time tbf
Would love either of them two, maybe Ait Nourin in summer if Wolves get relegated.
Ait NourIN, I like it
#AitNourIn #GlazeOsOut
Id have no problem for the deal if it wasn't so expensive. Feels weird.
Can someone post his stats from football manager so we can hype him up or write him off
Ornstien mentions Dorgu here too:
Incredible meltdown in here.
Guarantee there’d be the same reaction if we had gone for Kerkez or Ait-Nori, both of whom, would cost considerably more
Guarantee there’d be the same reaction if we had gone for Kerkez or Ait-Nori, both of whom, would cost considerably more
Nah they're premoer league proven
I’ve seen plenty more posts claiming that Kerkez is a massive gamble and doesn’t exemplify the qualities we need, than I have of them being positive about a possible transfer
So we're going to be Lecce Utd? I know things are bad, but it's a bit drastic to move the club.
Proper cultural reset this