Patrick Dorgu | United in talks
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Just discuss the topic, don't be boring with your silly and meaningless responses.
We need a wingback who can score. For perspective, Amad has 9 goals in all comps. Before anyone says he also played as a #10, most of his goals came when he was cutting in from the right, making him a natural RWB.
This Dorgu fella has 4 goals in 25 games in a weaker league. Right now, we don't need more defensive WBs despite our defensive woes (its more structural, we have the personnel). I hope the suits are seeing something I don't see in this kid.
Someone in the mold of Kvaratskhelia or even Kulusevski is who we need - proven and very capable of playing that WB role.
This Dorgu fella has 4 goals in 25 games in a weaker league. Right now, we don't need more defensive WBs despite our defensive woes (its more structural, we have the personnel). I hope the suits are seeing something I don't see in this kid.
Someone in the mold of Kvaratskhelia or even Kulusevski is who we need - proven and very capable of playing that WB role.
Danes are useless. Remember that dud Schmeichel. Wozniak kicks up a racket and disappoints. As for Hans Christian Anderson…
Nice one
While I agree for the most part, club context is important, if you are Fulham/Bournemouth/Wolves you can always afford to punt on a cheaper alternative because if you finish bottom half of the table your fans aren’t in uproar, it’s basically a win-win situation as long as you aren’t relegated.
Certainly highlights how bad our recruitment has been and has been mentioned multiple times how many high fees that have been 50+ we have had who have turned out to be 20 million pound players, truly killed us on all fronts.
Niels Bohring, amirite?
Hes played the majority of games as an outright winger, with far less as a fullback and sometimes starting as a fullback and then being moved to a winger during the game. So its harder to directly compare him to wingbacks when most of the time he's playing with less defensive responsibility to get back than they have and receiving the ball higher up the pitch.
His stats compared to wingers arent great. And he's started 11 games on the wing and 7 as a fullback
His real stats are somewhere between these two images, but more towards the first as he's played 4 more games as a winger and AM than at fullback. Also in that way with him being used mostly as a winger/am and then less games as a fullback he's almost in an Amad situation.
When looking at his stats only when picked in midfield or attack, he averages 2 shots which is good. But 0.8 key passes and 0.8 successful dribbles and 27.2 passes. Not that involved and not a particularly good end product other than getting shots away. He's obviously playing in a team that isnt doing that well and hes young.
When playing in defence only he still manages 1.3 shots per 90, dribbles are 0.4 which is very low, key passes go up to 1 and he averages 33.1 passes so a bit more involved with his passing.
His ball winning stats are good regardless of whether picked as a fullback or a winger/am so it seems likely that wont be a concern. It'll be about whether he really contributes enough in attack
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I guess the fee comes down to several things:
More than happy to acknowledge my lack of expertise in this particular transfer. Dorgu may well be a fantastic signing and end up holding down our left side for the next decade.
However, where I think concern is more than fair is around the quoted fee and the severe restrictions we know we're operating under.
Given Dorgu's profile, age and experience you're likely looking at a player who could end up performing similarly to Kerkez, Ait-Nouri, Robinson or Munoz in the EPL. I think everyone here would consider that outcome a pretty decent success and return.
The differences? Kerkez cost Bournemouth 6.6m initially, Nouri cost under 10m, Robinson cost 2m and Munoz 6.9m. All the clubs in question are currently above us in the league.
I don't understand why would agree to a fee that's 4 times that of the players above, especially when he cost Lecce 400k not too long ago.
This would be a really poor use of funds regardless of Dorgu's talent/potential, especially as he's currently being linked to absolutely no-one else.
Utd tax, no doubt all the fees mentioned would have been doubled for us!
Ait-Nouri was 2020 following a loan period
Kirkez was 2023 and fee is closer to £15m
Robinson was 2020 (having been kicked around between several lesser English clubs he has only seen his value rise now aged 27)
These three have seen their value increase since joining prem teams and it has not been overnight.
Add it those were all summer fees, January you pay extra
We are desperate and Lecce know it as does everybody else with a half decent LWB
We are not in a position to take a complete gamble for sub £10m regardless of the player, if it works ok we look great, if it fails we also look skint and desperate
Seems like Lecce's opening gambit is 30mEuro, seems pretty likely that we will be able to either negotiate that down or structure it in a way that it does not cripple us financially
I know nothing about the guy other than the YT vids, he looks a bit raw and for the price maybe we could get more of a sure thing is we traded down the potential? problem is unless you are willing to make a club an offer that they want to take financially why would they consider selling especially mid season, there probably just are not that many players who could be available
Really hope he's not only signing when we desperately still need a goalscorer and midfielder as well
Looks good on YouTube. Ineos defo done there watching. Balloon winner in 4 years =).
Seriously, never heard of him. Trusting that he fits Amorims system, that is the key. We cannot afford to waste money anymore. We are having to sell promising youngsters to fund a new team. Last chance for United, especially given next year it's looking very likely we will have no Europe.
Finally bit confused, though Amas was the one, thought we were excited with Diego Leon? Is this a plaster until the end of the year or a replacement for Malacia?
Seriously, never heard of him. Trusting that he fits Amorims system, that is the key. We cannot afford to waste money anymore. We are having to sell promising youngsters to fund a new team. Last chance for United, especially given next year it's looking very likely we will have no Europe.
Finally bit confused, though Amas was the one, thought we were excited with Diego Leon? Is this a plaster until the end of the year or a replacement for Malacia?
The problem with these sites though is that the raw stats used to compare are the same in both positions since it's collating his stats over the whole season from all positions he has played, right? In order to get a true reflection of how he performs you'd need to look at the raw stats of when he plays in each position rather than overall.Hes played the majority of games as an outright winger, with far less as a fullback and sometimes starting as a fullback and then being moved to a winger during the game. So its harder to directly compare him to wingbacks when most of the time he's playing with less defensive responsibility to get back than they have and receiving the ball higher up the pitch.
His stats compared to wingers arent great. And he's started 11 games on the wing and 7 as a fullback
His real stats are somewhere between these two images, but more towards the first as he's played 4 more games as a winger and AM than at fullback. Also in that way with him being used mostly as a winger/am and then less games as a fullback he's almost in an Amad situation.
When looking at his stats only when picked in midfield or attack, he averages 2 shots which is good. But 0.8 key passes and 0.8 successful dribbles and 27.2 passes. Not that involved and not a particularly good end product other than getting shots away. He's obviously playing in a team that isnt doing that well and hes young.
When playing in defence only he still manages 1.3 shots per 90, dribbles are 0.4 which is very low, key passes go up to 1 and he averages 33.1 passes so a bit more involved with his passing.
His ball winning stats are good regardless of whether picked as a fullback or a winger/am so it seems likely that wont be a concern. It'll be about whether he really contributes enough in attack
I think we should just structure any deal by having bonuses for finishing in the top 6 in the next 2 seasons. If we do we can afford to pay a bit more for him, if he hasnt helped us move that much higher up the table I dont think we should be spending £33.8 million on him. It will obviously mostly depend on Amorim getting things right in that period and our other players also doing well.
Thats why I gave the stats at the bottom, using whoscored to filter just the attacking positions and the defending positions seperately
Yeah, it would be good if the sites were able to do it too to give fair comparisons.
Never heard of him, but at 6'1/6'2, well built and pacey I like the profile. We're crying out for better athletes at the club. He's also played CM, CAM and on the wings, which suggest a level of technical ability that will complement his physical gifts.
A left back is the bare minimum this window, a CM would be nice too...
A left back is the bare minimum this window, a CM would be nice too...
Huge potential, sign from a smaller club before he properly "breaks out". Huge fan of this type of signing, and I don't think it rules out going for another wing back in the summer either.
Jeez that's an enormous red flag
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Agree, although these type of buys are normally around £20m. He's going to cost almost double.
Hey least some kind of PSR points deduction would have made interesting games until May
The Statman himself dropped that video five days ago. Looks like a smart signing.
Really? Might just be a bad roll in my save but he isn't rated any better than Dalot and he appears to be more of a winger than a wingback as his defensive attributes absolutely suck.
I will be shocked if we pay initially more than 25 million
40M euros, and I still anticipate any figure like that that is floated around to eventually drop. 30M euros would be reasonable I think.
A nice trip to the south of Italy I see
Honestly have never watched this guy. From the little research I've done this feels like a "scouting" transfer where we are betting on traits over pure performance.
Considering how skint we are, seems a risky proposition with how badly we need reinforcements.
Considering how skint we are, seems a risky proposition with how badly we need reinforcements.
Your response is genuinely one of the worst I’ve ever read on this forum, “I’ve never heard of him, he can’t be any good” you actually have the audacity to insinuate that post had meaning?
Get him signed up. Let’s build for the future. Can’t be worse than what we’ve been playing at LWB.
My feeling is that this gets done. The fee isn't very high but given the talk of PSR, it seems unclear where the money is going from. Antony leaving on loan doesn't feel like it opens up any doors financially.
No idea how good he is, but the position profile seems good - a left footed defender that should be comfortable in quite a few positions. He likely provides us an options to play as a full back in a back 4, so he's not completely reliant on us playing this system. I suppose let's wait and see.
No idea how good he is, but the position profile seems good - a left footed defender that should be comfortable in quite a few positions. He likely provides us an options to play as a full back in a back 4, so he's not completely reliant on us playing this system. I suppose let's wait and see.
My experience with him also wasn’t positive but people rave about him on all FM related websites. He is included in all shortlist of top LB/LWB.
He is a wingback (so not exactly very good defensively) and his attributes are not impressive in the beginning of the game. It’s season 26/27 in my save and his an absolute beast, still plays for Lecce. However, when I bought him for United in another save, he turned out to be meh.
Off to YouTube…
Edit: seems he tackles opponents. Will be sent off a lot.
Edit: seems he tackles opponents. Will be sent off a lot.
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The scouting teams at Tottenham, Chelsea, AC Milan, Napoli and Juventus are probably all morons for wanting Dorgu for their clubs. The Caf knows the truth. Or what?
Patrick Dorgu has the full package to become one of the worlds top left backs. Fast, really strong, good engine, good technique. He was originally trained as a striker/winger and he wants to get forward, as seen in his stats. Fits the Amorim system requirements. He is young though, and like Rasmus, Garnacho, Mainoo etc, he is not the finished product yet.
I think 40 Mio for a 20 year old up and coming player is bonkers, but looking at the "Brighton-Post" sadly it isn´t anymore. I think this is the way to go. The alternative is the road to hell, and we have been cruising Damnation Avenue for way too long. The big names will only come here for an obscene amount of money the way the club is presenting itself right now. I would much rather go for young and hungry players on the way up.
Patrick Dorgu has the full package to become one of the worlds top left backs. Fast, really strong, good engine, good technique. He was originally trained as a striker/winger and he wants to get forward, as seen in his stats. Fits the Amorim system requirements. He is young though, and like Rasmus, Garnacho, Mainoo etc, he is not the finished product yet.
I think 40 Mio for a 20 year old up and coming player is bonkers, but looking at the "Brighton-Post" sadly it isn´t anymore. I think this is the way to go. The alternative is the road to hell, and we have been cruising Damnation Avenue for way too long. The big names will only come here for an obscene amount of money the way the club is presenting itself right now. I would much rather go for young and hungry players on the way up.
Good thing we don't have to loan him to the championship next year, right?!
Looks a bit raw but at least he's an out & out wingback.
Looks a bit raw but at least he's an out & out wingback.
Maybe the plan is for him to play LWB until the summer then when we get Kerkez/Ait-Nouri/Robinson he could switch to RWB
Sounds interesting. Hopefully we can cough up some Dorgucoin
Seriously, though. I know it’s only a set of highlights, and… and… but I’m a little bit happy with the idea of him at LWB.