Patrick Dorgu | United in talks

feck you Dalot and your inabilty to properly cross a football more than once a month, and random wanging the ball into the stretford end, feck you Malacia and your postive vibes around the squad is all your good for, and triple feck you to Shaw, for not being bothered to stay propery fit.
I officially welcome Mr Dorgu to the club.
 
feck you Dalot and your inabilty to properly cross a football more than once a month, and random wanging the ball into the stretford end, feck you Malacia and your postive vibes around the squad is all your good for, and triple feck you to Shaw, for not being bothered to stay propery fit.
I officially welcome Mr Dorgu to the club.
That’d be some club statement.
 
Sounds like a good transfer in general, but one that would be more suited to a summer transfer imo. Can't imagine him making a straight impact in the EPL. Would have preferred Kerkez or Aït-Nouri but understand that they might cost too much. Massive upgrade over Malacia I guess.

I suppose our league season is finished assuming we stay up there's nothing else we can achieve. So 4 months of PL football would stand by him for the start of next season
 
I think he would be an excellent signing and give us a proper player on the left side and then add Quenda in the summer for the right side
 
I suppose our league season is finished assuming we stay up there's nothing else we can achieve. So 4 months of PL football would stand by him for the start of next season
Assuming! I mean everything could happen. Let's just hope he can actually make an impact. From his profile he seems perfectly suited for Amorim's football.
 
He is no where near worth £30m, if we pay anything more than £15m including add-ons (similar to what the club paid for Malacia), then INEOS are as bad as the glazers, he should be treated as punt just like Malacia.

Nope, know nothing about him, and that should tell you he is an unknown, an unknown should not cost a pretty penny, €35 plus bonuses is hefty for someone most of us know nothing about
Classic Cafe!
 
You would imagine that Nouri would be 100k probably on wages and Dorgu a fair bit less. Will make the deal considerably cheaper.
Nouri is currently earning 10k week. Why would United give him 100 unless he was being offered this by another big club? Also Lindelof is on 120k week and he's finished in the summer.

The deal won't be considerably cheaper if Dorgu can't reach the level we need, it'll just result in another overpaid flop we can't sell that needs to be replaced.
 
Nope, know nothing about him, and that should tell you he is an unknown, an unknown should not cost a pretty penny, €35 plus bonuses is hefty for someone most of us know nothing about
I rarely follow football other than Premier League but known about Dorgu for last year or so surely. He’s been mentioned from time to time.
 
I'm fine with taking a punt on this, less fine with paying £30M+ when alternatives might not be that much more expensive
I think unless we know details of the transfer it’s difficult to compare. Lecce might be willing to spread the cost of £30m over 5 years whereas an alternative that might cost £25m might need to be paid up front.
 
If we are going to spend on a new leftback, might as well go out there and get the best? Like Nuno Mendes
Nuno Mendes is set to sign a new contract extension + would cost us a bomb
 
I’m not going to pretend I know anything about him, but hopefully this is the starting point where we have players who are built for the way this manager wants to try to play.
 
I dont think i've watched a single Lecce match this season

Hope he's good. (if we buy him)
 
After hojlund stinking up the place, I’m not sure I want another Dane I’ve never heard of at the club.
 
I remember when I thought brash, confident, sweeping and strong statements were likely a sign of expansive knowledge.

Learning about the Dunning-Kruger effect made me doubt that somewhat.

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More than happy to acknowledge my lack of expertise in this particular transfer. Dorgu may well be a fantastic signing and end up holding down our left side for the next decade.

However, where I think concern is more than fair is around the quoted fee and the severe restrictions we know we're operating under.

Given Dorgu's profile, age and experience you're likely looking at a player who could end up performing similarly to Kerkez, Ait-Nouri, Robinson or Munoz in the EPL. I think everyone here would consider that outcome a pretty decent success and return.

The differences? Kerkez cost Bournemouth 6.6m initially, Nouri cost under 10m, Robinson cost 2m and Munoz 6.9m. All the clubs in question are currently above us in the league.

I don't understand why would agree to a fee that's 4 times that of the players above, especially when he cost Lecce 400k not too long ago.

This would be a really poor use of funds regardless of Dorgu's talent/potential, especially as he's currently being linked to absolutely no-one else.
 
I'm fine with taking a punt on this, less fine with paying £30M+ when alternatives might not be that much more expensive
Presumably Dorgu's contract will be more reasonable than some of the alternatives. Some of those big contracts have killed us in recent times.

If we're confident in his ability I think it's fine to make a move like this.
 
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More than happy to acknowledge my lack of expertise in this particular transfer. Dorgu may well be a fantastic signing and end up holding down our left side for the next decade.

However, where I think concern is more than fair is around the quoted fee and the severe restrictions we know we're operating under.

Given Dorgu's profile, age and experience you're likely looking at a player who could end up performing similarly to Kerkez, Ait-Nouri, Robinson or Munoz in the EPL. I think everyone here would consider that outcome a pretty decent success and return.

The differences? Kerkez cost Bournemouth 6.6m initially, Nouri cost under 10m, Robinson cost 2m and Munoz 6.9m. All the clubs in question are currently above us in the league.

I don't understand why would agree to a fee that's 4 times that of the players above, especially when he cost Lecce 400k not too long ago.

This would be a really poor use of funds regardless of Dorgu's talent/potential, especially as he's currently being linked to absolutely no-one else.
Sounds like early days in the negotiations yet so who knows what the fee will be. Surely you trust our recruitment team to negotiate a good deal!
 


More successful attacking actions than even Amorims favorite at Sporting, Quenda


Someone in the replies pointed out those stats might not be presenting the most accurate picture. He's played 7 games out of 20 at fullback according to whoscored.

He's been played everywhere basically, RM, LM, AM across the three positions, at RF and even at CM once, so it's a bit disingenuous to present those stats for him from FB unless they are only considering those 7 games and even then it would be a small sample size.
 
Someone in the replies pointed out those stats might not be presenting the most accurate picture. He's played 7 games out of 20 at fullback according to whoscored.

He's been played everywhere basically, RM, LM, AM across the three positions, at RF and even at CM once, so it's a bit disingenuous to present those stats for him from FB unless they are only considering those 7 games and even then it would be a small sample size.
We've found our next Ji Sung Park
 
What an utterly moronic line of thinking
You can disagree with me without insulting me.
To be fair, all of these players were loaned out for several years before playing in Brighton's first 11.
I understand, but they were still cheap
Pay Malacia price, get Malacia level player.
Pay Antony price, still get Antony level player, we paid top dollar for dross, so paying top dollar doesn't guarantee you much, we got Malacia on lowish fee, he didn't work out, not many are fussed about him, Antony cost the club 80m, and he is regarded by the fans on here as the worst transfer ever.
Maybe it should tell you the football world of valuations doesn’t start and end with @OmarUnited4ever’s football knowledge.
Maybe it should tell you we are here discussing, none of us, including your majesty, know anything about football valuations, we here discussing mate, say your piece without the beating around the bush.
You probably don't know anything about dozens of players that are very highly regarded by scouts as top prospects, what does that have to do with anything
You too don't know, none of us know much, we aint privy, but we talk from what we have seen, too many times we paid too much for players that weren't worth it, that got us to where we are now, broke and skint, we have to be smarter and find bargains one way or another
Unknown to who?
to me, I am not that knowledgable though.
Did you hear about Yoro before last summer? When did you first hear about Pau Cubarsí, Lamine Yamal, Josh Acheampong, or Dean Huijsen? Surely you realize what you're saying is just not making sense.

Also, it's funny because I first heard about Dorgu more than a year ago. Just because you're not following young talents before they make a name for themselves, that doesn't mean much. By the time you've heard about Dorgu, which I assume is today, all the top clubs around Europe will have compiled extensive scouting reports on him.
I heard about Yoro long before we got linked with him, when I had my subscription with the Athletic he came up several times, and they wrote articles about young talents all the time, Pau and Lamine play for Barca, so everyone knows them, Huijsen cost 17m only, and Acheampong never heard of him but I see he is a Chelsea academy player, I do read about young talents from the internet, not regularly though, however, it doesn't mean we pay top dollar because they are highly thought of, look at Amad, we paid initially 20m and 20m in addons and everyone was shocked and he was either not ready or mismanaged since we got him, my point is, we should stop paying too much, even the money paid for Yoro is still hefty for an 18yo but he had a full season under his belt in France's top league and alot of clubs were looking at him, he is the exception, not the rule, we can't pay Yoro money for everyone.
 
I'm so confused by the 'what would Brighton be paying here?' comments. This is exactly the type of signing Brighton would make. This summer alone:

Matt O'Reilly - Celtic - €30m
Ferdi Kadiolgu - Fenerbahce - €30m
Brajan Gruda - Mainz - €31.5m
Mats Wieffer - Feyenoord - €32m
Yankuba Minteh - Newcastle - €35m
Georginio Rutter - Leeds - €47m

Dorgu is playing for a club (and his country by the way) coming up against stiffer competition week in week out than anyone on the list above was when they were signed (and I include Minteh in that, as he was on loan at Feyenoord). What makes people think that it's obscene that a club like United are going to have to pay €40m for him based on master recruiters Brighton's signings?

People haven't even seen him play and are saying we shouldn't be paying €40m for him... How would you know?!?! Have some faith that the newer structure (and manager) we have in place might produce some different results in recruitment. Try and be positive! If he signs and it turns out he's shit, you'll have plenty of time to moan about it then.

Financial context is important though.

Brighton can afford these fees currently due to the return on investments they've made moving players along recently. They would not be spending these fees had they not sold the likes of Caicedo, MacAlliser, Sanchez, Cucurella, Bissouma, Trossard and White (I'm sure there are others too) for huge profit/positive impact on PSR. Without these sales, the players you've listed above either don't move to Brighton, or they move for a different fee.

We could not be further from this sustainable reality at the moment, unfortunately. Look at our money saving attempts across the running of the club. A 40/30m fee for us right now requires a lot from us (shifting deadweights and opening up contract funds).

Another take on the Brighton example would be to question how much they would have ended up spending on transfers like Hojlund and Zirkzee for example. Both players would be lucky to get into Brighton's starting XI and I imagine would have cost a fraction of what we forked out. This isn't to dismiss either player, just acknowledging a likely reality.
 
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More than happy to acknowledge my lack of expertise in this particular transfer. Dorgu may well be a fantastic signing and end up holding down our left side for the next decade.

However, where I think concern is more than fair is around the quoted fee and the severe restrictions we know we're operating under.

Given Dorgu's profile, age and experience you're likely looking at a player who could end up performing similarly to Kerkez, Ait-Nouri, Robinson or Munoz in the EPL. I think everyone here would consider that outcome a pretty decent success and return.

The differences? Kerkez cost Bournemouth 6.6m initially, Nouri cost under 10m, Robinson cost 2m and Munoz 6.9m. All the clubs in question are currently above us in the league.

I don't understand why would agree to a fee that's 4 times that of the players above, especially when he cost Lecce 400k not too long ago.

This would be a really poor use of funds regardless of Dorgu's talent/potential, especially as he's currently being linked to absolutely no-one else.
I hear you but this fee, though not ideal and I pray it gets negotiated downwards, is not terminal be it cashflow or for PSR. What is important are the player attributes, those we must get spot on and I wouldn't mind a 6 month settling period.

Physicality, technique and attacking prowess, if these are on the higher scale and his compatibility to the team and tactics have been taken into account then bring him in. However if he has massive flaws like lack of pace, poor touch etc then we need to sack our scouts.
 
Classic Cafe!
Classic meaningless response, we discussing here mate.

We paid top dollar and got us duds, the problem of paying top dollar for duds is that it impacts the club's ability to bring in new players, at least if we pay Pellistri or Malacia money, we either get a good one, or if it's dud, we can easily shift, we got young Paraguayan LB for 6m, if he turns out to be a dud, we can let go at some stage, all I am saying is we should negotiate a better deal, if Lecce insist on 35m, then we move on to another one, there is plenty, right?
 
Know nothing about him but for me getting an actually LB/LWB can potentially unlock a lot, could then put Maz back at RCD, Dalot RWB and the back line looks a lot stronger also allows Diallo to be in the 10 position
 
I missed this link, did it come from anywhere reputable? I thought we were fully skint.

Replacing Dalot on the left is essential. I mean don't get me wrong, replacing a lot of the squad is essential, but this is one of the more essential ones.

Wouldn't be my first choice replacement, but we have to work realistically these days.
 
I missed this link, did it come from anywhere reputable? I thought we were fully skint.

Replacing Dalot on the left is essential. I mean don't get me wrong, replacing a lot of the squad is essential, but this is one of the more essential ones.

Wouldn't be my first choice replacement, but we have to work realistically these days.
The Ornacle
 
:lol:

More than happy to acknowledge my lack of expertise in this particular transfer. Dorgu may well be a fantastic signing and end up holding down our left side for the next decade.

However, where I think concern is more than fair is around the quoted fee and the severe restrictions we know we're operating under.

Given Dorgu's profile, age and experience you're likely looking at a player who could end up performing similarly to Kerkez, Ait-Nouri, Robinson or Munoz in the EPL. I think everyone here would consider that outcome a pretty decent success and return.

The differences? Kerkez cost Bournemouth 6.6m initially, Nouri cost under 10m, Robinson cost 2m and Munoz 6.9m. All the clubs in question are currently above us in the league.

I don't understand why would agree to a fee that's 4 times that of the players above, especially when he cost Lecce 400k not too long ago.

This would be a really poor use of funds regardless of Dorgu's talent/potential, especially as he's currently being linked to absolutely no-one else.
Great Post.
 
They obviously just don't rate him.
Logic says you’re right but there’s also the fact that we’re also awful in identifying and in recruiting players that are who we actually need at a great price then watching them go elsewhere to thrive then us panic buying as we’re reactive instead of proactive.
 
You can disagree with me without insulting me.

I understand, but they were still cheap

Pay Antony price, still get Antony level player, we paid top dollar for dross, so paying top dollar doesn't guarantee you much, we got Malacia on lowish fee, he didn't work out, not many are fussed about him, Antony cost the club 80m, and he is regarded by the fans on here as the worst transfer ever.

Maybe it should tell you we are here discussing, none of us, including your majesty, know anything about football valuations, we here discussing mate, say your piece without the beating around the bush.

You too don't know, none of us know much, we aint privy, but we talk from what we have seen, too many times we paid too much for players that weren't worth it, that got us to where we are now, broke and skint, we have to be smarter and find bargains one way or another

to me, I am not that knowledgable though.

I heard about Yoro long before we got linked with him, when I had my subscription with the Athletic he came up several times, and they wrote articles about young talents all the time, Pau and Lamine play for Barca, so everyone knows them, Huijsen cost 17m only, and Acheampong never heard of him but I see he is a Chelsea academy player, I do read about young talents from the internet, not regularly though, however, it doesn't mean we pay top dollar because they are highly thought of, look at Amad, we paid initially 20m and 20m in addons and everyone was shocked and he was either not ready or mismanaged since we got him, my point is, we should stop paying too much, even the money paid for Yoro is still hefty for an 18yo but he had a full season under his belt in France's top league and alot of clubs were looking at him, he is the exception, not the rule, we can't pay Yoro money for everyone.
I wasn’t insulting you, I was criticising the line of thinking, don’t be so sensitive.
 
We literally just secured one of those ~6 million punts, but also need someone a bit further along in the development, but not at PL prices. I don't see much wrong if for around 25m we get a January signing that's probably straight into the starting 11. We're desperate. Let's hope he's up to the task.
 
Don't like the idea of us shelling out for another young and inexperienced player at the moment. Need to invest in some stability first when you watch the team.
 
I rarely follow football other than Premier League but known about Dorgu for last year or so surely. He’s been mentioned from time to time.
I used to read a lot about young talents but I stopped in the last 2 years or so, I do not follow much of football aside from United games, so I admit my knowledge is lacking, but I also think 35m (rumored fee, not sure if it's true) it too much for this relatively unknown fella, think about this, we are 13th, Palace, Brentford and Fulham are above us, would they pay 35m for this fella? as a club we are obviously bigger than most of EPL clubs, but as of now, our team is 13th and in a financial restrictions due to years or overspending, we can't afford to be quoted top dollar for these types of players.