Pat vs EAP - Tactical Draft QF

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

With Donadoni it's a lot better as Eder and Muller would naturally tend to cut in and with no overlapping full backs it is congested area IMO.

Donadoni on the right wing gives you a runner and natural winger who can stretch the flank and leave space for Enzo in the middle.

Still it looks like your playing the later more classic Enzo in this game or?

The formation change was just for voters.

Firstly,

I do not see anything wrong in my earlier formation....in particular, I do not see Eder/Muller occupying Enzo's space.

- Eder in particular has worked with not one but 2 AMs (Zico/Socrates) successfully in NT squad.
- Same with Muller worked with Kroos in 2014 WC win.

I don't see how either will constrict Enzo.

Secondly,

Barca'92 and Biesla 3-3-1-3 are successful examples in similar set up. The "perceived" lack of with is just overblown in drafts nowadays.

 

[harms]

The formation change was just for voters.

Firstly,

I do not see anything wrong in my earlier formation....in particular, I do not see Eder/Muller occupying Enzo's space.

- Eder in particular has worked with not one but 2 AMs (Zico/Socrates) successfully in NT squad.
- Same with Muller worked with Kroos in 2014 WC win.

I don't see how either will constrict Enzo.

Secondly,

Barca'92 and Biesla 3-3-1-3 are successful examples in similar set up. The "perceived" lack of with is just overblown in drafts nowadays.

1. Re: Bielsa - Is this how Muller and Eder will move in the attacking phase? This somehow resembles what you've built, but the personnel is a bit off

2. Cruyff's Dream Team has become something completely different in this draft. First Aldo, then you, comparing it to a completely different system as a proof that it should work. Stiles and Picchi impersonating Pep and Koeman; Andy Cole as Michael Laudrup? Juan Carlos moving to the left wing/attacking position from central midfield, is this what you expect from Cambiasso? If not, don't say that it's a similar set up, it simply isn't.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

We had implemented that, yes. We certainly stuck to it in the Bamboozle draft.

Its worth revisiting in the next draft IMO.

While i appreciate the creative change Im not seeing the benefit of benching Careca and Barnes which were my favorite aspects. Really feel Pats first round tactic worked much better in maximizing Raul

Really like the use of Donadoni with Enzo

I can't really argue the point, as Barnes and Careca were my favourite aspects of the team too , along with researching and selling Giles. I was definitely going to try something new with no regard for winning this round though, as that last match thread was utter shite to take part in. Of course, I then realised I really quite liked this new set up and wanted to win after all

It seems both managers may have made their team poorer. EAP certainly had a better setup in his first game.

With Pat it really depends on what sort of frontline you prefer for Raúl, but his defence and midfield look stronger. I'd probably ditch Piojo and, with Cabrini left, play Raúl-Careca with Raúl at inside left and free to roam left or centre.

I said it in the initial drafting, but this was always going to be the 'problem' with Raul. He's excelled in enough different set ups that everyone will have their own ideas about how best to use him. It's made the drafting and upgrades alot more fun though. Like I say, my No. 1 priority in drafting was to pick a No. 9 that could replicate/upgrade Morientes, so no isssues whatsoever with people preferring a line up with Careca in it. I don't see playing Raul as an inside left as a good solution though. Not that he'd be tied to the left wing, but I don't want him limited to one side at all. Looking at that video vs Atletico above for example, he did so much great work from the right side too, and I want him to have licence to exploit space wherever he finds it. For me, he's not a Del Piero or Henry who clearly had a preference for the left wing/left channels.

 

[Enigma_87]

The formation change was just for voters.

Firstly,

I do not see anything wrong in my earlier formation....in particular, I do not see Eder/Muller occupying Enzo's space.

- Eder in particular has worked with not one but 2 AMs (Zico/Socrates) successfully in NT squad.
- Same with Muller worked with Kroos in 2014 WC win.

I don't see how either will constrict Enzo.

Secondly,

Barca'92 and Biesla 3-3-1-3 are successful examples in similar set up. The "perceived" lack of with is just overblown in drafts nowadays.

It's not that it's lacking width but more of the specific players in your set up for me.

If we go with Eder in 1982 you had Junior who bombed forward and was in attacking mode during that tournament moreso than cutting into midfield. On the other end it was the same with Leandro.

Muller when deployed on the right also always had a fullback overlapping (Lahm).

I'd have peak Enzo in the area where you have Eder without the back arrow but drifting wide to the left with attacking full back overlapping.

If you are going with the classic #10 Enzo then two outside wingers rather than wing forwards would work better, especially when you are narrow in defence.

 

[antohan]

@Pat_Mustard subs are probably a worthwhile exercise here. It's not like you are adapting to a surprise by the oppo and trying to cover a weakness. Pure unadultered brainfart mitigation.

It's the Lord of the Brainfart after all.

 

[antohan]

1. Re: Bielsa - Is this how Muller and Eder will move in the attacking phase? This somehow resembles what you've built, but the personnel is a bit off

2. Cruyff's Dream Team has become something completely different in this draft. First Aldo, then you, comparing it to a completely different system as a proof that it should work. Stiles and Picchi impersonating Pep and Koeman; Andy Cole as Michael Laudrup? Juan Carlos moving to the left wing/attacking position from central midfield, is this what you expect from Cambiasso? If not, don't say that it's a similar set up, it simply isn't.

There's a thought... would have been interesting to build the Dream Team around Enzo, as originally intended by Cruyff.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

@Pat_Mustard subs are probably a worthwhile exercise here. It's not like you are adapting to a surprise by the oppo and trying to cover a weakness. Pure unadultered brainfart mitigation.

It's the Lord of the Brainfart after all.

I've never been in favour of scrapping subs entirely, but not updating the OP and threadmarking the change instead is a good compromise. Updating the OP and spoilering the original formation is just too big an advantage to the brainfarter.

There's a thought... would have been interesting to build the Dream Team around Enzo, as originally intended by Cruyff.

The pre-Romario Dream Team with Enzo as Laudrup could have been lovely

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Congrats @Pat_Mustard Hope you go back to Raul as SS. All the best.

Seems I need to do some blood sacrifice or sell my soul to the devil to get rid of this jinx

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Congrats @Pat_Mustard Hope you go back to Raul as SS. All the best.

Seems I need to do some blood sacrifice or sell my soul to the devil to get rid of this jinx

Cheers mate, although we've seen far bigger comebacks happen overnight so I'm not considering this done and dusted by any means.

If I go through I'll consider switching things up again. I quite fancy the chance to pull Raul a bit further back into his role behind Suker/Mijatovic, which would mean I'd get to play Careca again, but also that @Šjor Bepo will despise me for abandoning the false 9 with two wide attackers.