P-nut/Enigma vs Raees/Invi - Tactical Draft QF

Who created a better environment for their star player to shine?


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Team P-nut/Enigma


Formation: 5-3-2
Style
- Counter attacking set up. Sit deep and compact and break quickly.
Philosophy/Ideology of the tactical set up:

We're setting in a counter attacking formation with two no-nonsense defenders as stoppers, Vasovic sweeping behind and pushing forward in possession boosting numbers in midfield. 2 fast wingbacks, who are also good crossers of the ball and that can overlap in attack and man their flanks. In attack we are going with similar style to Herrera's Inter and using the basics - vertical football at great speed, with direct passes to get to the opponent's box as quickly as possible.

In defence we're staying deep, soaking the pressure, win the ball back in their half and launch the ball forward with speed and directness. Xabi or Vasovic can start an attack from deep and look for space on the flanks for our quick full backs, or either Signori, Mazzola or Vieri up field. All players can move quickly in transition and are used to counter attacking style of football. Directness is the key.

Mazzola has Vieri and Signori - two excellent goalscorers with solid link up game and most of all great off the ball movement which will allow him to create space for himself or use his passing and vision to set them up.

Player roles:

GK:
Thibaut Courtois - Solid in the air and excellent at starting the attacks if needed.
LWB: Zé Roberto - Stretch the attack, man his own flank moving vertically through the lines when in and off possession. Cross from deep and get the ball to the forwards.
RWB: Eric Gerets - Same as Ze Roberto from the other side.
Libero: Velibor Vasović - last line of defence, start attacks from deep, overload the midfield moving vertically.
LCB: Karlheinz Förster - One of the outstanding stoppers in the pool. Fluent in 5-3-2 system, excellent marker who is also a great overall defender
RCB: Carles Puyol - pacy and good on the ball can cover the right side when Gerets goes forward.
Deep playmaker: Xabi Alonso - look for openings both on the flank and up field, get the ball to the forwards as quickly as possible.
Box to Box: Mario Coluna - Energetic, complete midfielder who is also very solid defensively.
Central player: Sandro Mazzola - focal point of the attack. Getting the ball to him, playing in a free role and pressing the opposition defenders off the ball.
LWF - Giuseppe Signori - use his pace on counters, stretch the attack wide and more often on his favorite left position.
CF: Christian Vieri - target man, keep the opposition defence honest, make space for Mazzola, use his strength in aerial duels to bring the ball down.

Central player - Sandro Mazzola

Mazzola’s role in the Grande Inter team was particularly tasking. A wonderfully creative player who combined a glorious touch with dangerous pace and agility, Mazzola was relied upon to bring Suarez and Picchi’s sweeping balls under control and immediately feed Peiro or take a shot on goal. Inter’s system relied upon maximum efficiency up front, and it was largely down to Mazzola to turn hopeful passes into clear-cut opportunities. Mazzola was a brilliant dribbler and finisher often leading Inter goalscoring charts. The combination of notoriously hard to please and a strict disciplinarian - Herrara, and a perfectionist and hard worker - Mazzola, was always going to produce scintillating displays of football on the pitch. One where technique, flair and skill meet hard work, determination, tactics and will to win. Mazzola's role in defending was not to fall back on the pitch when not with ball, but to harry defenders get the ball back.

In this particular set up Vieri and Signori will compliment Mazzola's strengths but also allow him to play his natural game. Vieri with his strength up field can engage the central defencers in a way Peiro did, whilst allowing space for Mazzola to get the ball and run towards the goal or either look for Signori who will be hovering around the box or at the left wing. He will be overlapped by Gerets also allowing him to utilize the right flank and a 5-3-2 system will give more space for him to operate with two other clinical forwards around him.

Like Grande inter in this set up we have chosen two very efficient forwards in Vieri and Signori, fluent in counter attacking set up and very direct with their movement towards the goal.

The midfield is based on getting the ball as quickly as possible to Mazzola with two excellent passers in Xabi and Coluna, who also possess considerable work rate and can stay deep to break attacks.

The set up is aimed to get the best out of Mazzola in a way that it would highlight his dribbling and creative talent by being our focal attacking point and would allow Alonso, Coluna and Vasovic to find him into space while Signori and Vieri occupy the opposition defenders. In the same time we have very direct and fast players on both wings and up front who will give a lot of passing options for him to link up and combine in the attacking third.

Defence - Our defence is made up of 2 stoppers combined with a sweeper. A classic 5-3-2, composed of one of the best stoppers in history in Karlheinz Förster and Carles Puyol who slots perfectly into the RCB role. Both CB's will be tasked with no nonsense defending. When they win the ball they will simply shift it to either the sweeper in Vasović or play a simple ball to Alonso if it is on.

Vasović will be tasked with deciding when to step into midfield and when to drop off so that our defence always has the numbers to deal with any threat.

Both wing backs will provide the same roles of manning their flanks and providing outlets out wide. Ze Roberto will have slightly more license to tuck into midfield if the situation arises where he has to, however most of the time he will keep his width.

Defensive Line - Deep
Marking - Custom (1 stopper to pick up the striker, other sliding wide to help the wing back, sweeper following any strikers that drop deep)
Off the ball - Standing off
On the ball - Rapid transitions through sweeper (or Veron)

Midfield roles:
Coluna
will be playing as a complete box to box midfielder. His energy passing range and strength will be a huge boost. Both Xabi Alonso and Coluna will be deeper when off the ball then either move vertically into space and shoot from distance, combine with Mazzola or get the ball to the attackers. Vasović in his libero role will be pushing up when needed to overload the midfield and keep things tight. When off the ball Zé Roberto can also shore the space by tucking in.

Our midfield has taken an upgrade this round with Xabi Alonso stepping in for Veron. He adds a degree of defensive stability that Veron was questioned for in the last round, whilst still providing the passing range he is most known for.

His addition should allow our tactics of sitting deep with quick counters to be even more effective and thus bringing out even more of Mazzola's key qualities.

A worthy addition to team P-Ma

Attack - Three pronged attack all designed to give Mazzola space to work and options to link up with. Vieri will occupy the centre backs whilst Signori keeps the pitch stretched to afford maximum room. Attack can expect to receive the ball quickly and will stay high up the pitch in order to gain ground on quick counter attacks.

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Team Raaes/Invi


Philosophy/Ideology of Tactical set-up:

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Harmonizing Law in a team that suits his abilities is tricky concept since he was a unique attacker at his peak - he would be wasted as a pure 9 because that wouldn't utilize the full extent of his comprehensive skillset, but he also wasn't a #10 in the classic sense of the term. Meanwhile, by limiting his industry off the ball, you could negate on of the most important facets of his game. His best would come as a hybrid forward/second striker where he has the remit to not only drop deeper to link up the play with trademark urgency, but also arrive in the box at will (since that was where he created the greatest statistical impact - scoring 46 goals in 1963/64). His role in the team is close to his pomp in the mid '60s where Law won the Ballon D'Or for his exploits with United. It's not a remake of the United team from that period since replication is no fun, but a tactical evolution based on a simplistic 442 that will grant him unlimited freedom to influence the play from his favorite inside left position:


Credit: @Joga Bonito for the match compilation of the 1963 FA Cup Final.

In our opinion, the overall rugged composition of the team in a counter-attacking setup will bring out the best in Law - he will recede to get involved in the thick of things - which highlights his scrappy nature, he will benefit from goalkicks to Ceulemans deflected at Law, he will thrive off the runs of Ceulemans and conversely make dummy runs himself (a trademark of his), he will have the room to use his quickness at the edge of penalty area to ghost his markers, he has the wingers to gel with his prodigious leap in Giggs and Conti and attacking fullbacks in Amoros and Briegel, and a midfield general in Pirri to bring the ball to him at the edge of the box. Plus, the aggressive mentality of the supporting cast is the perfect blend for a consummate team player like Law:
There was an aggression in his game and to certain supporters, his brushes with authority made him even more popular. To them he was ‘The King’ and ‘The Lawman’.

Defensive line - Medium.

Playing style - Fast, intense, direct counter-attacking football with an effort to get Law involved in every phase of the game - from defending to instigating counters to playmaking to scoring.

Creative Freedom - Unlimited freedom for Law. Ceuelemans will operate as a forward who will help create space for Law - his physical prowess, guile, intelligence in space and ability to drag markers will be the perfect complement to liberate Law. Pirri will reprise his peak Madrid role in midfield as a midfield general. And Chumpitaz + Amoros + Briegel will help transition from defense to attack at a brisk pace.

Closing down - Law will lead the charge in a 2 man attacker press with Ceulemans up top - this is perfect because he was a proactive worker off the ball and had an innate urge to dispossess the opposition. The rest of the team is also going to aggressively and high - trying to dislodge the ball from the opposition, and if it's in dangerous forward areas - countering on the break with urgency using Law.

Specialized roles - Law as a free-ranging forward, Ceulemans as a bettering ram type faux 9, and Pirri as a midfielder who will influence the game immediately behind Law.

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Central Player:

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The goals came in every shape and colour; searing long-range shots, simple tap-ins, dynamic headers, flukey ricochets, cheeky flicks after mazy solo runs, acrobatic scissor-kicks.

"No other player," noted Sir Matt Busby, "scores as many miracle goals as Denis. He's the quickest-thinking player I've ever seen, seconds quicker than anyone else. He has the most tremendous acceleration, can leap to enormous heights, and is an impeccable passer of the ball."
My favourite player was Alfredo di Stefano, the great Real Madrid star. He could score goals, but he could also perform all over the pitch. That's the way I wanted to play. I liked to play inside-forward. But Matt felt differently and I wasn't happy. Of course, I was delighted to score a goal or two but, in that role, you could miss a lot of the game. I always wanted to be involved. - Denis Law
Ferguson believes Law, who is only two years older than him at 69, deserves to be revered. He told the club's magazine, Inside United: "Denis Law was my hero as a player. I idolised him. When I first met him I was so excited. "I thought: 'This is it, I've made it, I'm having a cup of tea with Denis Law!' For me, he epitomised everything a Scotsman is about. He was daring and courageous, he had that bravado about him and he had style. He was a truly fantastic footballer." - Alex Ferguson
Here Law is in his elements as a forward, and instead of using a standard 9 - we're going to use Ceulemans physique and positional intelligence to continuously bring Law into the game.


Forward - Ceulemans


Has been addressed before - but just to highlight it again - Ceulemans was a long ranging battering ram of a forward/attacking midfielder who combined the strength of an ox with the technique of stereo-typically diminutive players and the determination of a woodpecker - will unsettle the opposition defense, fill in as the 9 when Law goes deep, provide directness, and draw markers off Law with his movement and positional versatility as a forward.



Wingers - Conti and Giggs

In our opinion, this is the perfect duo given the shape of the team. Giggs will stretch the flank outside of Law and scorch the left channel. His overpowering pace and dribbling ability is the perfect complement for Law, and his astounding ability to feed the forwards will aid Law to no end.

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All touches vs Fiorentina in the 1999/2000 season in the Champions League:



On the other flank we have the 'Mayor of Rome' - the greatest Italian winger of all time, and one of the most complete offensive laterals in the history of the game - fast, a great passer and a phenomenal dribbler - who peaked as one of the highlights of the 1982 World Cup for eventual champions Italy.

All touches in the final of the 1982 World Cup vs West Germany where Conti delivered a man of the match performance at the biggest stage:



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Midfield duo - Pirri + Stielike

Talismanic box-to-box dynamo in Pirri to influence the game behind Law and facilitate the movement of the ball:

If there was a predecessor to Beckenbauer, I'm pretty sure he was born in a small town called Ceuta... his name was Jose Martinez, also known as Pirri.

He could be in the back of the field, and in a matter of seconds, he could be scoring a goal, specially thanks to his superb stamina. He made his debut in 1964, as Ferenc Puskás sub and from that day on, he'd be a leader inside Real's structure, a true captain.

His rather insignificant physique was a really tricky image to hide with the ferocious ways he was covering his area, a human wall protecting his team's fortress, although his main asset was his ability to join his team's attack so quick and effectively, without leaving his duties as the defensive reference he was.

He played with his heart for the White Team. Once, in a final against Chelsea with his arm on a sling, due to an arm injury, or even with his jaw broken, this proves his amazing tolerance to injuries of all kind. He stayed in Madrid for 16 years scoring the amazing (almost ridiculous for a defensive player) amount of 170 goals in 561 games.

In Real he stayed from the 1964-1965 to the 1979–1980 season, in which he won 1 European Cup, 10 League titles, 3 Copa Generalísimo and 1 Copa del Rey.

With NT, he was capped 41 times, making his debut against no less than Argentina in England 1966. Spain lost the game, but a 21 year old Pirri was the only one that could score against the South American giants. He also played in 1978 finals, when already aged 33.
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He really was the soul of the famous Yé-yé Futbol team for Real Madrid, and epitomized the position.

Perfect midfield destroyer for the setup in Stielike with his ability to disrupt the play and aid the transition from defense with his timely passes - winning the Premio Don Balón for 4 consecutive seasons (the most by any foreign player):


Center Defensive Duo - Godín + Chumpitaz

Centerback: Godín - Complete central defender and the marshal of the best defense in the world for the last half-decade, though one who gets underrated by virtue of being a current player.
"Nothing thrills me less than playing against Atlético. They're so annoying and Godín is a nuisance; he's always there next to me, he never leaves me alone."
Luis Suárez
Godín is perfect for the scheme because Atlético employ a very similar 442 setup and he has a phenomenal right-back alongside him.

Sweeper: Chumpitaz - Probably the best South America has to offer after Figueroa and Passarella. El Capitán de America offers a potent mix of technique and ball-playing ability, coverage on both sides of the pitch - or vertically, leadership, and organisation ability on the field at the position. The perfect player in this pool to initiate transition from central defense.
Hector Chumpitaz is one of Peru’s most recognized footballer player, was known for his great technique, his leadership, his organization ability on the field, A strong reader of the game with excellent ball skills and distribution. He marshaled a capable defense to support Peru’s attack led by Teofilo Cubillas. Chumpitaz was the selected captain of the American continent's team in 1973. He was an impressive defender-scoring with 74 goals in 530 career matches. Chumpitaz is considered one of the greatest south American defenders of all-time and was named to the list of best World Cup players of all time by Terra.com in 2006. He was elected the 35th best South american footballer of the 20th century in a poll by the IFFHS in 2000.




Together they form a nigh impenetrable wall - which will allow us to soak and counter with relative ease.


Attacking Fullbacks: Briegel + Amoros

In the absence of the likes of Facchetti, Cafú, Brehme - this is the cream of the crop in the pool for the position in terms of proven ability to dominate the flank, and excelling in all phases of the game to round off the complete and aggressive nature of the team.

Briegel was a machine on the left for West Germany. His role here is very important because with Giggs in front of him stretching the flank - Briegel will have the freedom to attack the inside channel and could be a nightmare to defend given his brute physicality and athleticism. Let's put it this way - if you take Denis Iwin and drown him in Chernobyl waste, you get The Hulk - Steamroller from Palatinate.

Amoros is in his elements - was inspired on the right hand side of the pitch for Carré Magique - even winning the Onze d'Argent behind Maradona in 1986. We were tempted to use Burgnich as the deep anchor behind Conti, but Bruno also liked to drift inwards or drop deep - and had spectacular defensive workrate - that will allow Amoros to pour forwards using precise runs and aim at Law in the box.


Goalkeeper: Jürgen Croy
- usually, not many pay attention to keepers, but Croy fits the setup perfectly given his excellent command of the penalty area, first-rate ball-handling skills, competence in the air and ability to quickly release it to start counters. Needs to be picked more often in drafts - some reckon he wasn't far from Zoff and Maier at his peak.
 
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  • Draft matches would be decided based on who has crafted/built the more coherent and cohesive tactical set-up around his main star as opposed to who might win in a fantasy encounter. Hopefully, this paves way for interesting discussions on the set-ups themselves - delving deeper into the creation/evolution etc of said set-up - and the personnel fit.
  • Voters are asked to consider the XIs featured as 2 separate teams not like a classic game of football, and to consider to what extent the manager has succeeded in building around his central figure. This is not a fantasy match but a comparison of 2 tactical attempts.
  • Teams will be built and judged for best tactical fits rather then the quality of the team. First, team has to be perfectly built around the central figure, if both teams are very close then you look at the other specific pairings, good fits for the team etc. if the level is still close then you watch at quality of the individual players except of the central player.

good luck @Raees @Enigma_87 @P-Nut0712 @Invictus
 
To begin and address couple of points that has changed in our team.

With the inclusion of Xabi Alonso we have upgraded on Veron in the defensive phase which judging by the comments in the previous game was the only concern in our team.

A bit more on Alonso effectiveness in defence:





while obviously we're not losing the passing range from deep and the playmaking ability of Veron:


Essentially it's a good upgrade for our midfield in the defensive phase(which again is aided by Vasovic).

Our other new face is KH Forster who is one of the best stoppers in the pool and in history. What he will add to the team is defensive solidity which would allow Ze Roberto on that side to express himself on the flank and have more attacking oomph on that side overlapping Signori.


In a sense Forster is a great positional upgrade which allows Ze Roberto to contribute more in attack and move vertically in space, giving us a lot of options in attack and the natural width on the left, while stretching the opponent and freeing space for Mazzola centrally.
 
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Those formation pics :lol: I like the highlight on Mazzola
 
Tell me more about the arrow on Ceulemans coming back the way.
 
@P-Nut0712 @Enigma_87 great work there with the graphic and best of luck.

THE UNITED FRONT...

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“Denis Law was my hero as a player,” Ferguson told Inside United Magazine.

“I idolised him. When I first met him I was so excited. It was at a game in Paris, he had played in the first half and we went for a cup of tea afterwards.

“I thought, ‘This is it, I've made it, I'm having a cup of tea with Denis Law!’

“For me, he epitomised everything a Scotsman is about,” he said.

“He was daring and courageous, he had that bravado about him and he had style. He was a truly fantastic footballer,” the two-time Champions League winning coach concluded.

Denis Law played for both Manchester City (pictured), as well as the Red Devils. While playing for the Blues, an infamous instinctive back-heeled goal doomed United to relegation in 1974. Law failed to celebrate, even though the way other league results went meant that United had no hope of top flight survival.

You knew right away, the way he ran across the ground, that he was something else. He was like a Cocker Spaniel chasing a piece of silver in the wind. His feet never seemed to touch the ground and that was the start of it all.”

When Ryan runs at players he gives them twisted blood. They don't want to be a defender anymore."

For me one of the most fascinating things about our side is the 'twisted blood' and most electrifying duo of Giggs and Law working in tandem down the left. Back in Law's heyday, we had United playing in a 4-2-4 sort of system, with likes of Aston and Best providing top class width. We have a similar dynamic here, and stylistically, 4-2-4 and 4-4-2, aren't all that different and Giggs is perfect at playing that chaotic yet subserviant left wing role which would really combine well with Law.

He has a history of playing with great 9.5 all rounded second forwards in Rooney and Cantona and in Law he is arguably working with the best of the lot.

Cuelemans and Law are reunited from the first round, with the removal of the added distraction of Gundi and it will be a really fluid duo up front, but with Law, Cueleman and Pirri.. no shortage of aerial threat, with a team that is jam packed full of aerial threat.
 
Tell me more about the arrow on Ceulemans coming back the way.

He's playing as a target man flicking on to Law who can drop deep and playmake/dropping deeper when Law wants to go beyond last man and play on the shoulder. It is a very fluid dynamic duo.. sort of like Tevez/Rooney style pairing, so not your traditional duo up front but plenty of work rate, very different players to each other but great fits. We're not really playing with an out and out 9 here, and therefore it is saying to Law, go out there and win the game for us because everything you need is there to thrive.

You've got the physical threat/companion up top like he had in Herd/Sadler in Ceulemens, but no one to take the limelight away and he's got the wing threat. Finally he has the midfield support from Pirri, whose fast tempo of play suits Law to a tee.
 
He's playing as a target man flicking on to Law who can drop deep and playmake/dropping deeper when Law wants to go beyond last man and play on the shoulder. It is a very fluid dynamic duo.. sort of like Tevez/Rooney style pairing, so not your traditional duo up front but plenty of work rate, very different players to each other but great fits. We're not really playing with an out and out 9 here, and therefore it is saying to Law, go out there and win the game for us because everything you need is there to thrive.

You've got the physical threat/companion up top like he had in Herd/Sadler in Ceulemens, but no one to take the limelight away and he's got the wing threat. Finally he has the midfield support from Pirri, whose fast tempo of play suits Law to a tee.
Fair enough, it's a lovely combo.
 
Struggling with what to discuss here really. Both teams seem tailor made to their star man really.

The next criteria is how individual little pairings would work, however I feel like that is a massive part of building around the player and something that is considered in the 1st criteria really.

The last thing to judge a team on is the quality of the players and again I'm struggling here to criticise Raees and Invictus whilst also being extremely pleased with how our side has turned out.

I'd say our side probably edges the quality side of things, but the margins really are tiny at this stage. And also I'm obviously going to prefer our players, due to picking them :lol:
 
Couple gifs to illustrate Law's general style.

Through Balls:



Law instigating Counters:



Law scoring through the right channel:



Dropping deep and creating for the lead 9:



Getting involved in general play through the inside right channel, and then creating for the other forwards:



Dropping deep, linking play, and getting in the box at the end of the final pass:



Short clip to highlight the general tenacity in Law's style of play:


Tell me more about the arrow on Ceulemans coming back the way.
We chose Ceulemans to primarily play the receding forward role. The rationale being the a pure 9 (while good in theory, and in practice - given the evidence of Herd and Sadler) could upstage him by occupying goal-scoring positions in the box (and for all of Law's general play - his greatest impact as a scorer came from within the box - from where he scored the bulk of his goals). Ceulemans isn't going to be as clinical as that 9 - so we're missing out on that bit of cutting edge - as it were, but he offers an immense physical threat in the box as and when required while playing a largely secondary role to Law. He will seek to create spaces for Law by pulling the opposition central defenders out of position, drop into the space ahead of Stielike, occupy the box when Law goes deeper to connect with Pirri or the wingers, and be an all-purpose pivot for Law to revolve around. Takes a bit of imagination to picture the partnership, but Ceulemans did thrive as a front duo for Belgium, so he should be good to go. :)
 
I'm not a fan of Stielike and Pirri together in 4-4-2 to be honest, apart from that R/I has a brilliant team.

Hard to see any negatives in P-Nut's team; a possible Vasovic/Alonso overlap in possession, wouldn't pick Alonso for a libero formation, but that's it.
 
I'm not a fan of Stielike and Pirri together in 4-4-2 to be honest, apart from that R/I has a brilliant team.

Hard to see any negatives in P-Nut's team; a possible Vasovic/Alonso overlap in possession, wouldn't pick Alonso for a libero formation, but that's it.

Alonso was added to add steel to midfield without losing the passing ability of Veron.

We're playing a counter attacking system so having 2 players that can play a pin point long ball instead of just 1 is a bonus.

I understand that they would overlap if we were trying to control the game, however we're not and want to move the ball vertically as quick as possible.

With both of them in there, if Puyol/Förster wins wins the ball they have 2 options of who to give it to instead of just one who eventually would have someone constantly marking them.
 
I'm not a fan of Stielike and Pirri together in 4-4-2 to be honest, apart from that R/I has a brilliant team.

Hard to see any negatives in P-Nut's team; a possible Vasovic/Alonso overlap in possession, wouldn't pick Alonso for a libero formation, but that's it.

aye, basically I see the same. Not a big fan of Pirri/Stielike as a midfield two in a 4-4-2, apart from that R/I have done great.

In our side we have based the transition on Grande Inter and moving the ball fast through the lines. We have runners on the flanks in Ze Roberto and Gerets, while also Signori will stretch the attack in the SS leftish position. Alonso and Vasovic will start the attacks and find either the flanks or Mazzola in space.

Forster/Puyol will stay back in a stopper duo that would allow Vasovic to move vertically or when he's not there Xabi Alonso will drop in the hole.

I see what you meant with Alonso in libero formation, however it's a 5-3-2 with space for him to operate in the CM position and dropping in the hole when Vasovic is sweeping.

We won't rely on Alonso dropping to the CB area to start the attack but have Vasovic moving the ball to him or either stopper knocking it to him in possession.

Vasovic offers additional passing option from deep when our team is pressed in midfield so he can hit a long ball to the flanks, and the same is with Alonso when/if the opposition forwards are instructed to play a pressing game.

We basically went with 3 "playmaking" options in out side, with the prime one being Alonso, while Vasovic and Mazzola also provide passing option playing their natural game to maximally exploit the movement of our runners on the pitch.

Mazzola also thrived on long balls so having additional option in either Vasovic/Alonso to deliver the ball to him with pin point precision would work like a charm and let him shine, pun intended (like in the formation graphic) :D
 
WHY PIRRI AND STIELEKE ARE THE PERFECT DUO IN A (FERGIE 90'S) 4-4-2...

What makes the perfect midfield in a 2 man midfield? think of the best ever midfield duos..

  • Ince, Keane
  • Scholes, Keane
  • Scholes, Carrick
  • Viera, Petit
  • Didi, Zito
  • Clodaldo Gerson
  • Schweinsteiger Martinez
What is clear is that one of the pair has to be more of a controller of the game, or if not.. both players need to be good enough and comfortable on the ball enough to make up for an out and out game controlling midfielder, and the wings/SS need to make up for the creativity/possession deficit.

Additionally, one of the players has to be outstanding positionally in a defensive sense and the other needs to know how to keep the midfield line and have some semblance of a brain to ensure the one CDM, is not overworked. Or you have two solid box to box players who can do abit of everything.

StielIke

Now Uli StielIke... was versatile player who played mainly as defensive midfielder in his clubs and later as libero, meanwhile in NT he almost always played as libero. Uli was strong and determinate player, good tackler and fighter. Sometimes too harsh in tackling. He was good organizer of the attacks with his solid ball control and good passing range. Stielike had great pace on the ball, often surging forward very quickly from the back line. He also had solid shot, great sense of anticipating but also good positioning as well in both defensive and offensive duties. Uli was strong in aerial battles and showed great leader capacities.

He was basically a technically gifted defensive powerhouse for a midfielder, and clearly by all description a CDM/SW hybrid who is the perfect player with his stamina, his quality on the ball and his anticipation to be the perfect defensive midfielder in a 4-4-2. That cannot be called into question.

He was reminscent of Mascherano in World Cup 2014, part destroyer, part starting the attacks for his team by picking the ball up from defenders, and had that cheeky ability to beat players and good ball skills like De Rossi. The footage below demonstrates this...



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The more difficult sell is that of Pirri as most people have never watched him play and the more creative midfielder of the duo has to carry a significant burden. For me Pirri absolutely lives up to what is expected from the more attack minded CM, and if Sir Alex Ferguson ever wanted a midfielder to play in his 4-4-2's... he'd want someone like Pirri.

Pirri had everything to his game. He was a threat in the air, he was fearsome from long range and set pieces, he could be trusted to go toe to toe against Cruyff and mark him in the La Liga el clasico's of the 70's, he could link up with forwards and he had the technique to run with the ball and take the game to the opposition.

Above all, what set him apart from your normal all time level Spanish midfielder was the pace at which he played. He played at a breathtaking speed, very Ander Herrera-esque, in that he didn't waste any time on the ball and wanted to win the ball, link up and score goals simultaneously.

For me he would have been an outstanding fit for english football and the ideal british box to box midfielder and that is why he is the best fit for this team. Law would love having such a like-minded player in midfield who plays at his pace and loves putting in the hard yards like he does. Furthermore the wing duo would be given extra licence to thrill with such a solid duo holding the forte in midfield - it would be reminiscent of Giggs Ince Keane Kanchelskis.

That midfield gave Cantona the platform to wreak havoc, with the greatest respect to Eric.. Law is on another level and this is an even better support cast, with better ability to keep the ball yet retaining the break neck direct side of Fergie's 90 teams.

The other side it could imitate is Ribery Schweinsteiger Martinez Robben. So this argument of how they do not fit, makes no sense to me.. Law loved to drop deep for Scotland and his early United days. He loved to pick the ball up in midfield and drive at teams, and force the play. This midfield allows him to do just that. You'd have both midfielders tracking back, winning the ball, with Pirri then taking it out of midfield, spreading the play and joining in the attack, late runs from midfield like Schweinsteiger, scoring key goals and you'd have Stielke dropping into defence or deep defensive mid and allowing the full backs to bomb on ala Irwin/Parker or Alaba/Lahm.
 
@Raees No issues here with your central pair in the 4-4-2, looks bang on to me.

Thanks mate. I've been banging about the 94 side for ages to Invictus so it was great to get it away from the 523 and go 442!
 
He's playing as a target man flicking on to Law who can drop deep and playmake/dropping deeper when Law wants to go beyond last man and play on the shoulder.

I'd rather have the roles reversed.

Law being a complete forward should be the one leading the line. Ceulemans was a attacking SS and should be operating behind Denis interchanging positions as needed.

And I'd rather have Law on the right. He did operate as Right IF too iirc.

..............Law........
...Ceulemans..........

is how this should be.
 
I'd rather have the roles reversed.

Law being a complete forward should be the one leading the line. Ceulemans was a attacking SS and should be operating behind Denis interchanging positions as needed.

And I'd rather have Law on the right. He did operate as Right IF too iirc.

..............Law........
...Ceulemans..........

is how this should be.
Law played on both sides as an inside forward - so it's an inconsequential detail - much like Eusébio in the last draft where you made this comment:
Wonder why they have Eusebio on the left?
Even though he rampaged down the left a lot in the 1966 World Cup, so it was a seamless fit.

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Famous mostly for his time with Manchester United where despite missing the final itself, he helped the team to a first European Cup win in 1968, inside-left Denis Law is the only Scottish player ever to be named European Footballer of the Year. He also had two separate spells with United's local rivals Manchester City, while at international level his total of 30 goals for Scotland remains joinly a national record.
http://www.world-football-legends.co.uk/index.php/sco/157-law-denis
Legends Profile

Name: Denis Law
Born: 24 February 1940
Place: Aberdeen, Scotland
Position: Forward (Inside Left)
Clubs:
Huddersfield Town [81 games;16 goals], Manchester City [68 games;30 goals], Torino [21 games;10 goals], Manchester United [404 games; 237 goals].
Internationals: Scotland – [55 caps; 30 goals].
http://www.scotzine.com/legends-of-scotland/denis-the-lawman-law/

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Comments on role reversal? Shouldn't Law be the one leading?
Not necessarily, mate. Jan could easily play 5 yards ahead of him and drag the central defenders to create room for Law, instead of Law facing them head on.

So in effect, this:



Re-configures to:



Subtle difference, but it's helps create a bit of extra space for Law by disrupting the central defense's alignment. Goes with our mechanics graphic in the OP, too - where we touched upon every player's primary zone:

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Where Law finishes up is more important than where he initially starts in quicker counter-attacks from wider areas in terms of his goal impact, and that couldn't be explained with a base template.

 
So at the moment we're losing the vote despite no one having any real issues with our side?
 
So at the moment we're losing the vote despite no one having any real issues with our side?

This is a flimsy reason for voting in retrospect but Raees/Invictus team caught my eye more as IMO they improved more than anyone between the first rond and this one, whereas most of us made only marginal improvements, or went sideways or backwards even. Their team looks fantastic now with two of the best wingers in the pool, whereas Xabi Alonso for Veron looks like a sideways move to me.

I do have marginal concerns over Signori's fit - he didn't do well alongside Baggio for Italy, although that might well be a product of Bggio gravitating towards the left channels whereas Mazzola played more on the right.

All in all, mine's was a fairly spontaneous vote as I tend to overthink the closer games and fanny out of voting completely which hurts the participation level, but if there was still a 'draw' option I'd be highly tempted to switch to that instead.
 
This is a flimsy reason for voting in retrospect but Raees/Invictus team caught my eye more as IMO they improved more than anyone between the first rond and this one, whereas most of us made only marginal improvements, or went sideways or backwards even. Their team looks fantastic now with two of the best wingers in the pool, whereas Xabi Alonso for Veron looks like a sideways move to me.

I do have marginal concerns over Signori's fit - he didn't do well alongside Baggio for Italy, although that might well be a product of Bggio gravitating towards the left channels whereas Mazzola played more on the right.

All in all, mine's was a fairly spontaneous vote as I tend to overthink the closer games and fanny out of voting completely which hurts the participation level, but if there was still a 'draw' option I'd be highly tempted to switch to that instead.

Well with Veron there was always the concern with his defensive game every time I picked him, so at the end we went with Alonso due to his superior work in the defensive phase and I'm it's an upgrade due to that in the formation. Forster on Samuel is a huge upgrade, despite being a defender he brings a lot of solidity at the back which is also very important given our system.

Signori didn't do well alongside Baggio for Italy as he was shunted to the left wing, whereas here he's in his favorite second striker role. He's free to roam and has an overlapping wing back to stretch the play and as you said Mazzola usually gravitated to the right so there is no concern in overlapping or having to play as a LW like Sacchi wanted from him in the NT.

As for upgrading - I feel we managed to upgrade two position with the pool we have at our disposal. As it is I don't think Signori/Vieri needs upgrading as the latter is a strong physical forward who is fluent to counter attacking game and fits Mazzola's game to a tee, whilst Beppe is one of the outstanding free roaming attackers in the pool with great goal return, pace and again fluent in a counter attacking set up.

Same could be said about Coluna, Gerets and I don't see a better libero than Vasovic, so either way we were going to move a bit sideways in upgrading our positions.
 

Lovely stuff. What a team we had. Good video - shows the range in Law's game.

Well with Veron there was always the concern with his defensive game every time I picked him, so at the end we went with Alonso due to his superior work in the defensive phase and I'm it's an upgrade due to that in the formation. Forster on Samuel is a huge upgrade, despite being a defender he brings a lot of solidity at the back which is also very important given our system.
To be specific about my point in the previous match, it was more about the balance of the unit than a problem with Veron per se. For example, Veron in his Serie A days was a rangy athlete who duelled with the best of them. I'd say he has better defensive qualities than Alonso in a lot of ways - physically a lot better, covers more ground, less likely to end up with yellow cards for being too slow, etc. But Alonso's natural anchoring game helps to pivot the midfield and unleash Coluna. Hear a lot of mixed reports about Coluna though - he seemed to play quite high for Benfica, yet gets praise for having good defensive instincts in midfield. It's hard to quite pigeonhole him.

I like the attacking trio a lot - that's a good gig for Beppe - and you get a bonus point for putting three Italians together.

Can't really settle this one yet. Plenty of love for the purity of the 4-4-2 with Law too.
 
Well with Veron there was always the concern with his defensive game every time I picked him, so at the end we went with Alonso due to his superior work in the defensive phase and I'm it's an upgrade due to that in the formation. Forster on Samuel is a huge upgrade, despite being a defender he brings a lot of solidity at the back which is also very important given our system.

Signori didn't do well alongside Baggio for Italy as he was shunted to the left wing, whereas here he's in his favorite second striker role. He's free to roam and has an overlapping wing back to stretch the play and as you said Mazzola usually gravitated to the right so there is no concern in overlapping or having to play as a LW like Sacchi wanted from him in the NT.

As for upgrading - I feel we managed to upgrade two position with the pool we have at our disposal. As it is I don't think Signori/Vieri needs upgrading as the latter is a strong physical forward who is fluent to counter attacking game and fits Mazzola's game to a tee, whilst Beppe is one of the outstanding free roaming attackers in the pool with great goal return, pace and again fluent in a counter attacking set up.

Same could be said about Coluna, Gerets and I don't see a better libero than Vasovic, so either way we were going to move a bit sideways in upgrading our positions.

I know you basically had to do something about Veron given the reception he got last time, but personally I thought he was very good in that role with a 5 man defence for protection, and I don't see Xabi as a significant improvement.

On the bolded part, it's a fairly unique draft in that upgrading is so difficult, and pure defensive strength, while still important, is more of an afterthought than usual. Forster for Samel is a big upgrade of course, just not as game-changing as it would normally be. Bear in mind that a sizeable chunk of participants felt I'd made my team worse in this round, despite being lucky enough to get Cabrini, so I know how tough it is changing your team for the better in this draft. Raees/Invictus are really the only ones that emphatically did so for me, and it was probably the main reason why I voted for them on reflection, even if that's not particularly fair given that you nailed your set up excellently from the start.
 
Hear a lot of mixed reports about Coluna though - he seemed to play quite high for Benfica, yet gets praise for having good defensive instincts in midfield. It's hard to quite pigeonhole him
From what I've seen of him he looked like a more attacking Seedorf. Incredible physically, but more focused on the playmaking/attacking, despite not being a true number 10.
 
So at the moment we're losing the vote despite no one having any real issues with our side?
It's harsh but to be honest the game is as close as it can be - both in reality and in the poll.
 
By the way, was it Stielike who was once Madrid's top scorer in a season? @Raees @Invictus
I remember something like this but not sure that it was him.


edit: found it. Gosh, what a torrid season it was, if a man who scored 9 goals became your top scorer :lol: On par with Juanito and Santillana in 1981/82

To be honest, looking back at his Madrid career he is less of an issue in 4-4-2 then based on his NT performances, although I always prefer him at the base of 3 man midfield.
 
Lovely stuff. What a team we had. Good video - shows the range in Law's game.


To be specific about my point in the previous match, it was more about the balance of the unit than a problem with Veron per se. For example, Veron in his Serie A days was a rangy athlete who duelled with the best of them. I'd say he has better defensive qualities than Alonso in a lot of ways - physically a lot better, covers more ground, less likely to end up with yellow cards for being too slow, etc. But Alonso's natural anchoring game helps to pivot the midfield and unleash Coluna. Hear a lot of mixed reports about Coluna though - he seemed to play quite high for Benfica, yet gets praise for having good defensive instincts in midfield. It's hard to quite pigeonhole him.

I like the attacking trio a lot - that's a good gig for Beppe - and you get a bonus point for putting three Italians together.

Can't really settle this one yet. Plenty of love for the purity of the 4-4-2 with Law too.


Probably it has to do with Veron at Parma where he played as the most advanced midfielder most of the time, but yeah you got the basic premise with Alonso able to cover and unleash Coluna moving vertically through the lines. He was a true #8, but also very physical and participated in both phases while built as a tank.

He was also very versatile and played as a DM, CM and even anchor but his natural game could be more described of a Robson for example in terms of pool I think.
 
I know you basically had to do something about Veron given the reception he got last time, but personally I thought he was very good in that role with a 5 man defence for protection, and I don't see Xabi as a significant improvement.

On the bolded part, it's a fairly unique draft in that upgrading is so difficult, and pure defensive strength, while still important, is more of an afterthought than usual. Forster for Samel is a big upgrade of course, just not as game-changing as it would normally be. Bear in mind that a sizeable chunk of participants felt I'd made my team worse in this round, despite being lucky enough to get Cabrini, so I know how tough it is changing your team for the better in this draft. Raees/Invictus are really the only ones that emphatically did so for me, and it was probably the main reason why I voted for them on reflection, even if that's not particularly fair given that you nailed your set up excellently from the start.
Yeah I thought too, but seems it was the only issue with our team so we had to address it going forward.

Think having improved the defence is really important given the formation we have gone with to maximize Mazzola and especially on counters so that Forster instead of Samuel give us more solidity at the back and ability to soak pressure, apart from of course being individually better player.
 
By the way, was it Stielike who was once Madrid's top scorer in a season? @Raees @Invictus
I remember something like this but not sure that it was him.


edit: found it. Gosh, what a torrid season it was, if a man who scored 9 goals became your top scorer :lol: On par with Juanito and Santillana in 1981/82

To be honest, looking back at his Madrid career he is less of an issue in 4-4-2 then based on his NT performances, although I always prefer him at the base of 3 man midfield.

Must admit I underrated Stielike whenever I have seen him picked by veteran drafters, but having seen that clip of all his touches.. I was blown away, very complete defensive midfielder and combines all the best elements of a Mascherano and De Rossi. His technical ability, is what blew me away and I think in a 4-4-2, he gets the chance to shine more on the ball and like you mentioned, a guy who is capable of 9 goals in a season from defensive midfield is pretty exceptional.

@Gio on the Coluna point... I don't see a massive issue with how he is used, though it could be argued that there is some congestion in the area where Mazzola and him operate, as usually.. both of them played in sides with one or two orthodox wingers i.e. Jair/Domenghini for Mazzola (Inter and Italy) or Jose Augusto/Simaos for Coluna and here it is Gerets and Ze Roberto they're relying on to provide width. In a game of very fine margins, when you consider Law is playing in pretty much the perfect formation for him and has proper widemen and no one treading on his toes, it could tip it our way but it is all subjective tbh.

Also interesting to note that when Coluna did drop into midfield post the 1963 European Cup triumph, they never won a european cup again and lost against Inter and later United.

His Benfica side built around the great Mário Coluna was the peak of his career and of the tactical development of the game in his era. He used Coluna as a withdrawn attacker in a role that's probably best described as an attacking box to box midfield role. Coluna's role stands for the bridge between the old WM system and the new 4-2-4 and not too different to later versions of the 3-4-3 and 3-3-4 (like Michels' Ajax, Cruyff's Barca or van Gaal's Ajax) versatile players moving between defense and midfield and between midfield and attack gave the team an advantage in the different phases of the game.

Coluna as LIF when Benfica won back-to-back European Cups:

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On Coluna(full credit to Joga on his research):

A brilliant article by spielverlagerung on Coluna, focusing more on his style of play (page needs to be translated though)

http://spielverlagerung.de/2015/12/08/tuerchen-8-mario-coluna/

Quoting some of the key bits (google translated though but it's easily understandable)


Heart, brain and fists of the team

What you have to be for a player and what a character when the possibly best player of your nation you referred to only as "Senhor Coluna" and the fans you "O Monstro Sagrado" ( the sacred monster name)? Probably one as Coluna.



The captain of the former Benfica team was not only one of the most talented, but physically strongest players of that time. In his younger years he boxed - but not organized and without any real rules - was a strong basketball player and athlete. At age 16, he set a national record of 182.5 centimeters in the high jump. Football began Coluna until the age of 15 in the team;four years later he received his first professional contract.

In the next few years he established himself as tremendously important player at Benfica. He was promoted to captain and become a major player in the club's history.

In addition to its flexibility and its capabilities, it was also the psychological factor that made him a fundamental part of his team. At a time of hard fouls, personal watchdogs, casual referee (especially abroad) and with no video evidence it was Coluna who usually protectively stood before his teammates.

He should have said, inter alia, to opponents by fouls, "when you touch the boy again, then you will leave the place with a foot the other kissing". He also motivated his teammates, divided them and commanded them around - without ever receiving authority problems. Nevertheless, even the most outstanding personality can not express in a positive impact on the pitch without the necessary qualities.



Constant Allround playmaker

Colunas greatest strength was that he by this rare blend of physique, technique and tactics had enormous advantages over his opponents in that time. If you had to cover man Coluna, he could free himself not only by his great inaugural, his good turns and dribbles his strong, but simply ran so much and so fast that you inevitably eventually could not go.

Against less male-oriented players benefited Coluna fact that he had an outstanding inaugural in muscular-looking physique and strong ball control. Again and again Coluna could turn up under pressure quickly, attacking open spaces against opponents outside their balance and subtle body illusions or stressed weiträumigerer ball guide march past them.

In the follow-up actions Colunas the opposing team had about some tactical problems. Who out moves? Who covers the emerging options? In many cases, could Coluna thanks to his physique and technique even from running out precise, attach hard-range shots or simple interface passes to the offensive player by stuck, which accordingly moved to the gate. Occasionally Coluna was in his dribbles to evasive and progressive without being toro oriented manner while and sometimes a little unclean, yet he was an enormously dribbling midfielder, which explains his time as Central and inside forward.


Unlike his dribbling his passports and movements from a strategic point of were even stronger. Coluna was particularly long and high passes to process extremely strong and was very good at his ball assumptions. he could always change the ball position, thereby creating new passport angle and record on the opponent graduations with quick, deft passes through his great pace and many return movements of the ball.

For this he was good in the area occupation, especially in the backcourt cast for graduations from half distance after shelves, urgency clearance and passports in the backcourt the winger. His long-range shooting and dynamic penetration of the penalty area was cause for his goal threat, as well as faster and often even rudimentary loose statements.

Just as he created Goals forward, he prevented behind goals - subtle yet powerful. Defensive he was very good, used his physical strength not only in combat, but large areas to control, situational to double and intercept many passes dynamically. Here he showed what could create good positional play together with good physique.

Nevertheless Coluna was a game designer basically. He showed many attractive movements, led the opponents to the front and was with long balls behind the defense as well as flat passports change in the open spaces of the match rhythm quickly. Not for nothing he was once also captain of a FIFA World XI and was referred to as "the Didi Portugal", which was like an honorary title in that time - after all, was Didi 1958 named the best player of the World Cup.

His physique and defensive work deceived occasionally over it, that it was Coluna who was also responsible for the style of play and creativity in his team. In symbiosis with his team relevant vein and his protectiveness Coluna was one of the first football player who was too good for any task and its individual Input looked into play as part of a collective output. He might even resemble the other great star of the 50s, Alfredo Di Stefano, more than Brazil's Didi - although Coluna was never so pressing and present. He was too much Senhor Coluna .

Mario Coluna "O Monstro Sagrado" was one of the key components of the successful Benfica side and is considered as one of the best offensive box to box midfielders around. Younger players as a sign of respect used to call him "Senhor Coluna" (mr. Coluna). Eusébio, to this day, still calls him Senhor Coluna.

After trying boxing, in unorthodox fights, with no coherent rules - circumstance that might have helped shape the combat spirit that always marked him - basketball and Track & Field (where, at around age 16, he established a national height jump record of 182,5 cm) Coluna started at football at age 15. He spent sixteen years with Benfica, and was a crucial part of one of the most successful periods in the club's history. In his first year at the club, Benfica won the Portuguese league and cup double, and by May 1955 Coluna was already a Portuguese international, making his debut in a 3-0 defeat against Scotland.

Over the next decade Coluna won a further six league titles and four Portuguese Cups as well as back to back European Cup wins in 1961 and 1962, scoring the winning goal himself in the 1961 final and also scoring on the 1962 final match. On the next final, in Wembley, against AC Milan, Coluna met Giovanni Trapattoni, that would later become Benfica's coach (2004/05) and a fan favourite in Estádio da Luz. The final against the Italian squad is of bad memory for Coluna since he was injured by a cynical Trapattoni tackle and SL Benfica lost it. Since no substitutions were allowed, Coluna bravely endured what he could of the game, even with a severely hurt foot. Santana, another Benfica player, was also "taken down" in that match by the brute AC Milan defence. Coluna said: "I'm thankful for the championship he has won for Benfica as a Benfica fan, but I can't forgive what he as done to me. He almost torn my foot in half. It was a pity, because we had the team to win that match, it should have happened. I was invited by an Italian TV Station to show up - together with Trapattoni - in 2005, for an interview. I showed up but he didn't. He didn't have the courage to look me in the eyes".

He played in a total of 5 European Cup finals in the 1960's. By 1966 he was the captain of the national team as Portugal qualified for the World Cup finals for the first time in their history.

When playing the Intercontinental Cup, in Brazil - Maracanã Stadium - against Pelé's Santos, Brazilian reporters started calling him "The Didi of Portugal".

At the World Cup in England, he led the team through to the semi-finals, inspired by the goals of his Benfica team mate Eusébio. The host nation ended their dreams in the semi-final, but Portugal finished a creditable third. He was called to the FIFA XI, the following year, celebrating Zamora's 65th birthday, on a FIFA XI Vs Spain match. Helenio Herrera, the FIFA XI coach, gave him the captaincy of the team.

Back with Benfica, three more league titles and two more cup wins followed, and by the time Coluna left Benfica, in 1970, his total of honours had reached nineteen, including an amazing ten league titles. Coluna was a "protector". He didn't allow anyone to treat his colleagues on the pitch with lack of respect. His colleagues felt protected by his aura and the respect the opponents had for Coluna. His most intimidating sentence was: "If you touch that kid again you'll leave the pitch with one leg licking the other". It's possible that whoever fouled Simôes or Eusébio didn't know Coluna was a Boxer in his teens.

After nearly 700 appearances for Benfica, Coluna moved to France to end his career with Olympique Lyonnais. Following his retirement, Coluna went on to work in football administration, serving as President of the football federation in his native Mozambique, and during the 1990s he spent five years as Mozambique's Minister of Sport.

Strong at midfield, Coluna was known for the way he played on the field because of his elegant and efficient style. Coluna used to score long distance goals with ease. He was also known for his stamina, that allowed him to control all the areas of the field. In his early days in SL Benfica he was tested as a central forward by Otto Glória, but he achieved great notoriety as a central Midfielder.

 
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Also a great post by @Joga Bonito on Coluna and how influential he was:

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Mario Coluna was one of the world's most influential and comprehensively gifted midfielders throughout the 1960s, majestically bestriding the European football scene as captain of Benfica and Portugal, operating for both club and country as the ideal foil for the revered Eusebio, his fellow Mozambican - who, even after they had both brought their illustrious careers to an end, continued to call his former captain “Sir”. That deference was borne out of more than respect for the seven-year age gap.

'Senor Coluna' formed an immediate bond with the extravagantly gifted rookie, who carried with him a letter from his mother asking Coluna to look after her fresh-out-of-Africa boy in the bustling Portuguese capital. The established star did just that, taking the teenager under his wing and looking on as he developed into one of the most devastating forwards the game has ever seen.

As well as opening a bank account for the Black Panther, Coluna also kept an eye on the fledgling’s finances until he found his feet and started a family. A friendship blossomed and soon their co-operation on the pitch was bearing bountiful dividends as the Eagles embarked on an era of lofty eminence. When Benfica were awarded a penalty in the European Cup Final with the score tied at 3-3 and 28 minutes remaining, Coluna collected the ball and readied himself to take it, at which point Eusebio stepped up and politely enquired: “Mr Coluna, may I take the penalty?” Perhaps impressed at his younger team-mate’s courtesy, Coluna stood aside and looked on as the rising star held his nerve to put Benfica in the lead for the first time. Moments later Eusebio scored again to set the seal on a famous 5-3 win.

Eusebio had one more request to make of Coluna before they left the pitch that night. Too shy to summon up the courage to ask his hero Alfredo Di Stefano for his shirt, the two-goal hero implored Coluna to approach him. When the prized garment eventually came his way, Eusebio kept it with him throughout the evening’s celebrations, and still regards it as one of the greatest trophies he collected during his amazing career.

Inevitably, perhaps, Coluna basked in less of the global limelight than he deserved due to the phenomenal goalscoring exploits of Eusebio, but close observers of the game recognised his immense worth. In Portugal he was dubbed O Monstro Sagrado ("The Sacred Monster"), an appropriately imposing sobriquet. Though he was not a tall man, the muscular Coluna exuded an aura of effortless command, combining formidable physical authority with an elegant style and delightfully subtle skills which seemed somehow unexpected in one so powerful.

The son of a Portuguese father and Mozambican mother, Coluna showed himself to be a supreme athlete from a young age. A keen boxer, basketball player and a track-and-field athlete, Coluna once held the Mozambican high jump record with a leap of 1.82 metres, when he was 16 years old!








Though the striker’s prodigious feats in Mozambique had preceded him, Benfica coach Otto Gloria was unsure at first where to play him. With Jose Aguas as his undisputed first-choice centre-forward, the Brazilian coach sought another role for his new star, finally opting to deploy his passing abilities and muscular presence in midfield. It proved to be an inspired choice. It was only after his transition deeper that Coluna came into his own as one of the greatest players of his epoch. The broad view of the field in front of him brought to the fore his superb vision and expert reading of the game, which allied to his outstanding natural athleticism enabled him to dictate matches from the middle of the pitch - so successfully that he was described as "The Portuguese Didi", after the famous Brazilian play-maker.





The 1960s was an astonishingly successful time for Benfica, and their captain was at the heart of it. Eight times in the decade the Eagles lifted the championship, on top of reaching the European Cup final on five occasions. Fittingly, Coluna scored both times Benfica lifted the ultimate prize and were crowned champions of Europe, in the 1961 and 1962 finals against Barcelona and Real Madrid respectively. There were further defeats in the final of Europe's premier competition, against Internazionale in 1965 and Manchester United in 1968, despite colossal personal efforts by Coluna on both occasions.

It can be argued only rough treatment in the following year’s final prevented Coluna from making it three European Cups in successive years. Brian Glanville, in his 'Voice of Football' column in World Soccer Magazine, asked the question “Had Coluna not been kicked off the Wembley field by Milan’s Gino Pivatelli in 1963, would Benfica have lost that game?”

Three years later Coluna’s quiet authority as a born leader of men was on show on the biggest stage of all in the 1966 World Cup. It was the first time Portugal had qualified for the tournament, and playing under Otto Glória again, Coluna was a leading figure in a magnificent campaign that saw the Seleção finish third. Portugal’s captain and midfield general duly took his place in FIFA’s team of the tournament. His poise and precision in midfield would help the Black Panther finish the tournament as the leading goalscorer and take the team to third place, which remains Portugal’s best-ever FIFA World Cup finals performance.

Returning from England, Coluna would play for three more years at Benfica before leaving at the end of 1969/70 season for French club Lyon. He made an emotional return to Estadio da Luz in December 1970 for a tribute match against a star-studded world XI featuring the likes of Johan Cruyff and Bobby Moore.

After making a farewell 15-minute appearance in the red jersey, Coluna left the pitch to a rousing ovation. And such was his love for Benfica that he then decided against making his scheduled appearance for the world side, preferring to sit on the sidelines for the rest of the game than run out against the team closest to his heart.

A devoted, dexterous and highly respected servant for club and country, it was not for nothing that the tree-climbing kid from Mozambique became known as O Monstro Sagrado (The Sacred Beast) to Benfica fans, O Didi Europeu to Brazilian football writers, and, memorably, as Mr Coluna to the one and only Eusebio.



vs Barca (1961 European Cup Final)


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Provides a cracking and penetrative, perfectly-weighted ball which leads to the equaliser for Benfica.

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Scores a stunning volley - the goal which ultimately lands Benfica the European Cup, finally breaking the hold that Real had on the European Cup.




vs Real (1962 European Cup Final)




Grows in influence considerably as the match progresses with a fairly underwhelming start by Benfica resulting in Real going 2-0 ahead. Proves to be the driving force - being fouled for the free-kick to the first goal and scoring an absolute scorcher to level things against the run of play and being the general in the engine room.

Some great ball control (killing the ball directly from a goal-kick etc) and pacy dribbles in there, which highlight his technique and ability on the ball. The influence he exerted over his side and his all-round command he had in the engine-room shouldn't be understated though.
 
Must admit I underrated Stielike whenever I have seen him picked by veteran drafters, but having seen that clip of all his touches.. I was blown away, very complete defensive midfielder and combines all the best elements of a Mascherano and De Rossi. His technical ability, is what blew me away and I think in a 4-4-2, he gets the chance to shine more on the ball and like you mentioned, a guy who is capable of 9 goals in a season from defensive midfield is pretty exceptional.
It wasn't even his most prolific season, but when he scored 13, Santillano was in good form. Yes, this clip is quite good, I remember that I picked Stielike after watching it in my first or second draft.
 
The match against Barca I'd agree with you to a certain extent but definitely not the match against Real where Coluna was the rock in midfield who was pivotal in turning the tides against Real Madrid and of course the WC 1966 where he was imperious in the engine-room. Shame that his compilation video got taken down. Anyway, those wiki pics couldn't be further from the truth.

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Coluna's average position in the latter esp was that of an influential midfield general who contributed to both phases of play - I'd put him in the class of B2B-ers such as Neeskens/Breitner and definitely not as an luxurious AM or playmaking DM. With Coluna as the midfield general and Carrick's astute defensive game, there is no want for defensive nous, physicality or what-nots in that midfield imo.



He was taken out cynically in that match-up and he was off the pitch/hobbling for the rest of the match. To claim he was complaining about how he was being tackled is being ingenuous to the extreme. This is a player who is nicknamed the 'Sacred Monster' and someone who soldiered on in the 1961 European Cup final against Barca with a broken nose that he suffered in the early stages of the match. He also soldiered on against AC Milan too for what it's worth but the injury was too extreme for him to overcome.

Also let's not forget how he made the Team of The Tournament when he played deeper for Portugal in the WC 1966 and being their best player after Eusebio. It's quite wrong to portray him as an attacking inside left and not as the all-encompassing commanding box-to-box player that he was.

Leidy Klotz said:
Coluna didn't score as many goals as Eusebio. Instead Coluna disrupted opponents. He made his teammates better - whether in games, in practise or in the locker room. So, while the Sacred Monster's contributions were less obvious than the Black Panther's, they were just as vital. Benfica missed out on three consecutive European Championships when Coluna was injured by a bad foul from an AC Milan player in the 1963 final. Incredibly, the rules then did not allow any substitutions, even for injuries caused by fouls. So not only did Benfica lose Coluna - they also had to play ten versus eleven for the rest of the game

Miguel Delaney said:
Because of the nature of his game and the number of goals he scored, it has always been Eusebio that has been most identified with the great Benfica team of the ’60s. But, in truth, it was Coluna that completely underpinned it.

For a start, Eusebio wasn’t even at the club for the first European Cup victory in 1961. Second, he had scored game-changing goals in both that and the 1962 showpiece. To finish, Benfica probably would have won three in a row had it not been for the cynical manner that Milan specifically took Coluna out of the game in the 1963 final when there were no subs.

Had that not been the case, then Coluna might enjoy an even greater reputation now. Certainly, he deserves to. A contemporary of Nandor Hidegkuti, Raymond Kopa and Didi, manager Bela Guttmann realised that Coluna’s abilities were perfectly suited to the new playmaker role that recently proven so devastating.

And, more importantly, Coluna was fully willing to assume the responsibility. In a truly dynamic team, it was Coluna that directed the play, Coluna that drove in so many crucial long-range shots and Coluna that set up Eusebio so frequently.

They eventually took that relationship to the international stage, bringing Portugal to the 1966 World Cup semi-final and their best ever performance in the competition. As Brian Glanville wrote, Coluna was “an inspired and inspirational captain”.