P&G Draft - SF: Theon/Gio vs onenil

Who will win this match with the players in their prime?


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Ah Theon edited it slightly after I left the conversation, that's hilarious :lol:
This is why I am doing everything in public now and taking screenshots to avoid this type of thing.
 
Ah Theon edited it slightly after I left the conversation, that's hilarious :lol:
This is why I am doing everything in public now and taking screenshots to avoid this type of thing.

That's the quote I saw when I looked at the thread when it included "that" post so cannot comment on this.
 
That's the quote I saw when I looked at the thread when it included "that" post so cannot comment on this.

Sure. I just find it hilarious because even the edited version is still a Terms of Service violation.
 
@Edgar Allan Pillow @Physiocrat appreciate putting a lid in this but he's made four of five posts now that are filled with utter bullshit. I thought this was bizzare and a bit funny at first but it's gone a touch far now.

Its stemming from Theon's name calling in PM which he seems to defend as justified and how he thinks people should behave. If he just apologized for the name calling this would have been over days ago. But it looks like saying "Sorry I could have phrased that better" was too much for someone to say

1. No, the argument stemmed from you losing a draft game and then accusing Gio and I of cheating or "playing dirty tricks" when it was around two thirds of the way through. You're post was baseless and completely uncalled for.

2. The “name calling” was me saying that you were a child in response to those allegations. Firstly I'm not sure how sensitive someone can be to consider that a personal attack - the fact you think that breaches RedCafe Terms and Conditions absolutely blows my mind :lol:. Secondly you should be more self-aware and recognise that when you unfairly accuse people of things you should expect some form of response.

That being said, if calling you a child upset you so much then I apologise. My honest assessment is that your behavior was childish (and I believe it still is now) but it was never my intention to offend you and I regret using that term given how badly you've taken it. There’s maybe a learning point for me there not to assume another persons level of sensitivity.

However given how victimised you've played this I think its worth saying that your initial allegations towards Gio and I were way out of line - I therefore look forward to you also offering an apology.

3. Just to address the game being delayed which seems to be your biggest gripe - let's be absolutely clear that was not to get some sort of advantage (Firstly who on earth thinks like that over something so trivial?! Secondly it makes absolutely no sense given your timezone and the fact I made zero posts the next day). The game was delayed because I had to work late and then my priority was seeing my wife and children who I hadn't see for four days as opposed to rushing around to play Redcafe Drafts.

I've already apologised for the delay to kick off and do so again - though if I'm honest I don't think it's particularly required given I notified you twice that I would only be available after work and then asked if you wanted to move the game if the time was unsuitable. In future I think the mature thing for you to do is just be open from the start and communicate your concerns appropriately.
 
That's the quote I saw when I looked at the thread when it included "that" post so cannot comment on this.

In effect you have thankfully commented on this though by confirming you never read what he's alleged I said.

You were in the thread with both of us and you replied to it 30 minutes after my post (and will have viewed it earlier than that). In that thread you never saw me say this:

Actually you said "pathetic sore loser" which is exactly name calling and personal insults and violates the terms of service of this site.

He's completely made that up.
 
@harms I bet you can't believe your luck here :lol:.

Final is as good as finished with this bullshit.
 
Can we just start the next draft thread @Edgar Allan Pillow ? This seems to have gone to shit and the final seems to be ages away. While it is fine to wait for the ongoing draft to wait we also cannot keep waiting for these silly arguments to finish and the final getting delayed.
 
This seems to have gone to shit and the final seems to be ages away. While it is fine to wait for the ongoing draft to wait we also cannot keep waiting for these silly arguments to finish and the final getting delayed.

It’s completely gone to shit but I’m not sure what you expect me to do when he’s made four or five posts which are complete nonsense.

I wouldn’t buy for a second that you’d sit there passively and not respond.
 
Can we just start the next draft thread @Edgar Allan Pillow ? This seems to have gone to shit and the final seems to be ages away. While it is fine to wait for the ongoing draft to wait we also cannot keep waiting for these silly arguments to finish and the final getting delayed.
Semi finals finished on Friday night and final scheduled for Thursday - seems a reasonable turnaround to me. That said, don’t see any issues starting the next draft thread since we’re in our own forum and nobody cares if we spam the place.
 
In effect you have thankfully commented on this though by confirming you never read what he's alleged I said.

You were in the thread with both of us and you replied to it 30 minutes after my post (and will have viewed it earlier than that). In that thread you never saw me say this:

He's completely made that up.

Its possible I misremembered and its possible you simply edited it. No way to prove it now as Physio wasn't reading early enough to know if you edited it.

Could have been solved earlier had you just responded in a mature fashion in PM instead of name calling and insults. I was criticizing your behavior, you were attacking the person. Thats a big difference. Your resonse was simply going way too far degenerating the discussion with name calling and insults. You keep it going because you still cant seem to post without adding even more subtle insults. So I I will just report your ToS violations in the future and leave it at that.
 
Could have been solved earlier had you just responded in a mature fashion in PM instead of name calling and insults. I was criticizing your behavior, you were attacking the person.

Nope, I’m not having that.

I called you a child. By any definition that’s not name calling, insults or attacking the person.

You were acting childish (and have continued to do so) so the comment was well merited.
 
Nope, I’m not having that.

I called you a child. By any definition that’s not name calling, insults or attacking the person.

You were acting childish (and have continued to do so) so the comment was well merited.


That is exactly name calling. And your ongoing posts that keep taking little snipes is a perfect illustration of taking things too far.
 
Can we just start the next draft thread @Edgar Allan Pillow ? This seems to have gone to shit and the final seems to be ages away. While it is fine to wait for the ongoing draft to wait we also cannot keep waiting for these silly arguments to finish and the final getting delayed.

Semi finals finished on Friday night and final scheduled for Thursday - seems a reasonable turnaround to me. That said, don’t see any issues starting the next draft thread since we’re in our own forum and nobody cares if we spam the place.

The draft thread is up :) Drafting order is done as well. We should still wait for the final before starting the next one
 
I know it all gets fairly heated at times and I can be as guilty as anyone else in winding or getting wound up. But this looks fairly overblown in the grand scheme of things, especially given the small number of other drafters who have thrown their oar in. @Physiocrat has done a great job of running the draft (again) and it would be a pity if this takes the edge off it for everyone. I think that of all the draft dramas over the years, this is pretty small beer in comparison.
 
Guys, it's not going anywhere, can we just move on? I don't mind you holding grudges against each other, but this is just a repetition of the same arguments over and over again.
@Theon @oneniltothearsenal
 
Guys, it's not going anywhere, can we just move on? I don't mind you holding grudges against each other, but this is just a repetition of the same arguments over and over again.

C’mon, quite clearly this has been initiated by onenil and I’m not sure what you’re expecting me to do other than defend myself - you seem to be equating us both in terms of responsiblity for this which is frankly nonsense.

I called onenil a child in PM after he accused Gio and I of cheating because a draft game was delayed and Gio made one post when I was online. @Physiocrat has confirmed that’s all I called him.

In response to being called a child onenil has publicly posted the below around how insulting and offensive I’ve been to him:

If we all acted as immature as you and used your level of language the site would quickly devolve into name calling and flame wars like most of the internet. Next time I wont give your actions the benefit of the doubt and I will report you for violating the ToS of Redcafe.

There is a proper way to communicate even if you are upset and name calling and acting like Theon has is not that way. I already regret not just reporting Theon for ToS violations because he clearly thinks his behavior is acceptable when it is not.

Could have been solved earlier had you just responded in a mature fashion in PM instead of name calling and insults. I was criticizing your behavior, you were attacking the person. Thats a big difference. Your resonse was simply going way too far degenerating the discussion with name calling and insults. I will just report your ToS violations in the future and leave it at that.

Because I called him a child.

Would be interested in hearing harms on what basis I should just let him repeatedly write that bullshit without responding.
 
C’mon, quite clearly this has been initiated by onenil and I’m not sure what you’re expecting me to do other than defend myself - you seem to be equating us both in terms of responsiblity for this which is frankly nonsense.
If you'll stop posting, he'll stop posting (and vice versa). I don't want to take sides here, and I won't — it's just that any of you can stop this discussion by simply ending your participation in it.

Would be interested in hearing harms on what basis I should just let him repeatedly write that bullshit without responding.
Be the bigger person?

P.S. same goes for @oneniltothearsenal
 
If you'll stop posting, he'll stop posting (and vice versa). I don't want to take sides here, and I won't — it's just that any of you can stop this discussion by simply ending your participation in it.

Be the bigger person?

Fair enough if you don’t want to express an assessment but I don’t think that avoidance of the issue helps anything.

In terms of who initiated this that’s not something you can have an opinion - it’s a fact. And as for being the bigger person and not responding, in general I agree which is why my responses were muted at first.

But there was a point when repeatedly saying publicly that I’d offended and insulted him merited a response. Not doing so would suggest that it was true. I really don’t know how you can’t see that.

In any event I’ve refuted it now so I don’t need to say anything else.
 
But one of you did lie regarding the editing part. Disgraceful really and against the spirit of the holy sport of drafting fishing
 
If you'll stop posting, he'll stop posting (and vice versa). I don't want to take sides here, and I won't — it's just that any of you can stop this discussion by simply ending your participation in it.


Be the bigger person?

P.S. same goes for @oneniltothearsenal

Theon clearly needs to go outside and hug a puppy, that's my final take