Ousmane Dembele

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Barca have behaved terribly in recent times with regards to players contracts by bullying them into taking pay cuts, deferring wages and publicly shaming anyone who doesn't fall in line.

The problem Barca has is the amortization of the Dembele deal, which if he does not renew is logged on their accounts as a loss at the end of the season and will affect their FFP budget going forward. They have failed in renewing him on much lower terms and now are trying to force him out of the club, just to sort out their own mess.

I hope Dembele sticks to his guns and leaves on a free in the summer just to show the Barca board that not everyone will sing to their tune.
 
He's gonna be a massive player for Newcastle. Team him up with Lingard and Trippier.
 
I’d be all over this. Give them Martial and call it a deal.. His dribbling and creativity could be an added bonus for us especially as we will lose 2-3 of your attackers in the summer.
 
AB_89 said:
Barca have behaved terribly in recent times with regards to players contracts by bullying them into taking pay cuts, deferring wages and publicly shaming anyone who doesn't fall in line.

The problem Barca has is the amortization of the Dembele deal, which if he does not renew is logged on their accounts as a loss at the end of the season and will affect their FFP budget going forward. They have failed in renewing him on much lower terms and now are trying to force him out of the club, just to sort out their own mess.

I hope Dembele sticks to his guns and leaves on a free in the summer just to show the Barca board that not everyone will sing to their tune.
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Why would you defend these kind of players? Unprofessional spoiled brat who's always injured. Not to mention his alleged racism towards asians which was caught on camera.
In 5 years he managed to play a total of 7598minutes of football = 84,4 matches
16 matches per season. 140m€ well spent.
He's barely improved in those 5 years.
 
Barca is doing the right thing.
Don’t let these spoilt kids and their agents push you around.
He’s obviously not motivated enough to give his all for the club so either accept a new contract or get the fek out.

Wish we did this with more players.
 
KingCavani said:
Some of our fans actually want this guy. :lol:

Do we ever learn?
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More importantly he doesnt want to stay, so club saying fine, get out. Contrast with our attitude to Lingard and Pogba to name just two. Get Lingard out this window. None of this whining (from the board and some on here) about protecting value, strengthening a competitor or something. Get them gone. End of.
 
AB_89 said:
The problem Barca has is the amortization of the Dembele deal, which if he does not renew is logged on their accounts as a loss at the end of the season and will affect their FFP budget going forward.
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From what I understand, his value is amortized over the original period of contract. It won't matter to Barca's losses even if he renews now since his book value will he 0 end of the season. This would have been different had he renewed in between and they could have spread the losses over more years, but renewing at the end of the deal makes no accounting difference.
 
Brophs said:
“He has to leave immediately”. Does the average punter on RedCafe know more about contract law than Barcelona?
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Not sure this is about contract law. Its about a club making it clear to a player if they want to mess around then they need to go. Sure Barca have other issues but its also quite refreshing. Look at how Arteta has treated some players at the Arse. We as a club are pathetic in comparison
 
Gordon Godot said:
Not sure this is about contract law. Its about a club making it clear to a player if they want to mess around then they need to go. Sure Barca have other issues but its also quite refreshing. Look at how Arteta has treated some players at the Arse. We as a club are pathetic in comparison
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Not signing a new contract is "messing around"?
 
Some club somewhere are about to do something very silly by signing this guy clearly.

Hopefully its not us.
 
AB_89 said:
Barca have behaved terribly in recent times with regards to players contracts by bullying them into taking pay cuts, deferring wages and publicly shaming anyone who doesn't fall in line.

The problem Barca has is the amortization of the Dembele deal, which if he does not renew is logged on their accounts as a loss at the end of the season and will affect their FFP budget going forward. They have failed in renewing him on much lower terms and now are trying to force him out of the club, just to sort out their own mess.
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Barcelona next year will not comply with financial fair play, with Dembele or without him, therefore it will not affect.
Barcelona will continue with the 25% rule
 
Gordon Godot said:
Sorry mate, cant be arsed if you want to be a pedant. Contrast with our attitude to Lingard since last summer. Its a simple point. I am sure you can get it.
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But your point makes no sense, he hasn't messed around, Barcelona are the only ones acting strangely.
 
bringbackbebe said:
From what I understand, his value is amortized over the original period of contract. It won't matter to Barca's losses even if he renews now since his book value will he 0 end of the season. This would have been different had he renewed in between and they could have spread the losses over more years, but renewing at the end of the deal makes no accounting difference.
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It is amortized over the original period of contract, then if the player renews his contract the remaining amount is divided among the years on the renewal. e.g. if Dembele has £20million remaining and doesn't extend it is accounted as a £20million loss this year, if he renews for 4 years then this reduces to £5million per year.

They did the same with Umtiti although the amortization was a much smaller issue and was mainly due to wages.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Not signing a new contract is "messing around"?
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Messing around is that Dembele tells Xavi, Laporta and Alemany that he will renew and then the agent comes saying the opposite, and so on several times.
 
Apparently he was lights out in training yesterday, never looked that good.

Will be interesting what happens now. He doesn't want to leave now and relegating him to the bench would be cutting off their nose to spite their face...
 
Niemans said:
Messing around is that Dembele tells Xavi, Laporta and Alemany that he will renew and then the agent comes saying the opposite, and so on several times.
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If that's the official line of grievance, it sounds either incredibly silly or very disingenuous.
Renewal talks are held with, through and by the agent. In any case not without him, and surely not between Xavi and the player. Are you meaning to tell me that either Barca have tried to engage Dembélé in contract talks without his agent, or that they're mistaking things Dembélé replied in informal talks for formal contract negotiations?
 
GDaly95 said:
Some club somewhere are about to do something very silly by signing this guy clearly.

Hopefully its not us.
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Was Rangnick in Germany when Dembele stropped his way into a move to Barcelona? If he was I would hope they will listen to him and go nowhere near him. We want good characters being brought in not more divas and especially not an injury prone one.
 
Imagine in Newcastle put this attack together:

St Max —— Martial —— Dembele

That would have some potential and even at significant cost would be a massive upgrade on what they have currently. If it clicks it could go even better.
 
AB_89 said:
Barca have behaved terribly in recent times with regards to players contracts by bullying them into taking pay cuts, deferring wages and publicly shaming anyone who doesn't fall in line.

The problem Barca has is the amortization of the Dembele deal, which if he does not renew is logged on their accounts as a loss at the end of the season and will affect their FFP budget going forward. They have failed in renewing him on much lower terms and now are trying to force him out of the club, just to sort out their own mess.

I hope Dembele sticks to his guns and leaves on a free in the summer just to show the Barca board that not everyone will sing to their tune.
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Haha what am I reading? Are you serious?

Barca have all right to not use him if he doesn't sign an extension. The only legal thing Dembele's agent could do was if Barca neglected his salary, but the club are gonna pay his wages until his contract expires anyways.

Some people view this as a "waste" because the club is wasting money on an active asset, but this perspective lacks foundation when we consider that Dembele is always late, always injured, doesn't seem to have improved at all during 5 years and wants even more money for his extension.

Conclusion: He has been one of the worst signings of all time and after he leaves Barca in a verly likely free transfer, his career (if not already) will be finished.

And yes, Clubs must impose their regulations over all players, not the other way around.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Was Rangnick in Germany when Dembele stropped his way into a move to Barcelona? If he was I would hope they will listen to him and go nowhere near him. We want good characters being brought in not more divas and especially not an injury prone one.
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Can't imagine Rangnick would recommend signing Dembele for that kind of wages even though he would fit in quite well into the system he likes to play, IMO.

But every club even considering paying Dembele €40m annually is mental. Guy was always overrated but this is borderline crazy. Stay away
 
Charrockero said:
Haha what am I reading? Are you serious?

Barca have all right to not use him if he doesn't sign an extension. The only legal thing Dembele's agent could do was if Barca neglected his salary, but the club are gonna pay his wages until his contract expires anyways.

Some people view this as a "waste" because the club is wasting money on an active asset, but this perspective lacks foundation when we consider that Dembele is always late, always injured, doesn't seem to have improved at all during 5 years and wants even more money for his extension.

Conclusion: He has been one of the worst signings of all time and after he leaves Barca in a verly likely free transfer, his career (if not already) will be finished.

And yes, Clubs must impose their regulations over all players, not the other way around.
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As far as I know, Dembele has a contractual right to be provided with professional training sessions and all the infrastructure needes for him to maintain his fitness. So they have every right to not play him but he has to be offered the opportunity to partake in training etc. We had a case like this in Germany a few years back. Hoffenheim was sued by a few players they sorted out. The club tried to force them out by ignoring them but was forced to build a second training group under professional conditions to live up tontheir contractual duties
 
GifLord said:
In 5 years he managed to play a total of 7598minutes of football = 84,4 matches
16 matches per season. 140m€ well spent.
He's barely improved in those 5 years.
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You should bring this up to Xavi, Laporta, and Alemany, who've been trying to get him to sign a new contract and continue his 'contributions' at Barcelona Football Club.
 
GifLord said:
Why would you defend these kind of players? Unprofessional spoiled brat who's always injured. Not to mention his alleged racism towards asians which was caught on camera.
In 5 years he managed to play a total of 7598minutes of football = 84,4 matches
16 matches per season. 140m€ well spent.
He's barely improved in those 5 years.
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So basically just close what Bruno did last season but in 5 years.

Please let City or Liverpool get this lad on those wages. He can be their Sanchez. Definitely more potential upside than Alexis but I’m confident that over 5 years it’ll be an absolute disaster and will upset the dressing room.
 
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Zehner said:
As far as I know, Dembele has a contractual right to be provided with professional training sessions and all the infrastructure needes for him to maintain his fitness. So they have every right to not play him but he has to be offered the opportunity to partake in training etc. We had a case like this in Germany a few years back. Hoffenheim was sued by a few players they sorted out. The club tried to force them out by ignoring them but was forced to build a second training group under professional conditions to live up tontheir contractual duties
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dembele's agent is already has something like this in mind.
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
You cannot threaten players so that they sign an extension. The Spanish Player's Union already came out with a statement criticizing Barcelona for this.

https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/amenaza-afe-barca-dembele-13125457

Barcelona should not have benched him before the end of the transfer window and should not be making these public statements.
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I read that too and although legally the Club cannot force any player to play, I think Laporta messed it up by saying in public that Dembele was better than Mbappe recently and after he rejected the offer, has his PR Manager citing they won't play him again, specifically for that reason. It's always better to act quiet.

Indeed, public statements like that could be interpreted as inhibitory.
 
What I can parse from Barcelona's statements is that they think they are entitled to a transfer fee. That's really what it boils down to. Players leaving on a free is completely normal, they're just acting like it's some deceitful ploy.
 
What is the problem of benching him for the rest of the season? He never minded not playing and I bet he would be happier playing FIFA and eating pizza than in the pitch. So, nothing new.
I don't trust players who are going to leave for free in a few months just looking for money after not caring at all for 5 years. They will not play 100% because they will not risk an injury, especially a guy who spent most of his time in the hospital.

He will be paid, he will train with the team and he will access to the professionals of the club. Period.

This is a pattern on this man, he did the same at Rennes and Dortmund.
 
Benching Dembele for the rest of the season because he did not renew the contract is fine. It's not really ideal in a lot of ways, but there's some arguments that can be made.

That is not what is happening. What is happening is that the transfer season is closing soon and Barcelona want to threaten Dembele with bench for the next six months so that he either leaves now (presumably for a transfer fee) or signs the renewal contract under the terms Barcelona wants.
 
AB_89 said:
Barca have behaved terribly in recent times with regards to players contracts by bullying them into taking pay cuts, deferring wages and publicly shaming anyone who doesn't fall in line.

The problem Barca has is the amortization of the Dembele deal, which if he does not renew is logged on their accounts as a loss at the end of the season and will affect their FFP budget going forward. They have failed in renewing him on much lower terms and now are trying to force him out of the club, just to sort out their own mess.

I hope Dembele sticks to his guns and leaves on a free in the summer just to show the Barca board that not everyone will sing to their tune.
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it was difficult but got it everything wrong hahahahahaha
 
Iker Quesadillas said:
Benching Dembele for the rest of the season because he did not renew the contract is fine. It's not really ideal in a lot of ways, but there's some arguments that can be made.

That is not what is happening. What is happening is that the transfer season is closing soon and Barcelona want to threaten Dembele with bench for the next six months so that he either leaves now (presumably for a transfer fee) or signs the renewal contract under the terms Barcelona wants.
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he never cared about the team and he is going to care and risk an injury when he is going to leave in a few months looking for big money... hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha.
if he doesnt believe in the project he is not going to play, as simple as that. he can choose to leave now to a project he likes (barça would accept 100% a free transfer now) or staying home at weekends eating pizza and playing fifa.
barça WAS (as far as i know the renewal option is already out of the table) offering a top contract, not a supermegahiperbestoftheworld contract as he is asking (45M just for renewing + 30M per season).
 
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