Ousmane Dembele

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Oranges038 said:
Alba has played 40 to 50 games a season for almost 10 years. Pique, Busquets, Xavi, Suarez, Messi, Alves, Neymar, Iniesta amongst others all did the same for extended periods of time.

Dembele, hasn't been able to get anywhere near that and it is down to the training regime. :wenger::wenger::wenger:
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According to the doctor that Barcelona sent him to, yes. And Dembélé has had three long term injuries, one grade three hamstring tear, one hamstring avulsion and a knee ligament tear, your point would make some sense if we were talking about niggling injuries that can be caused by diet or something like that but not the type of injuries that he got.
Now regarding Alba, he is one of the players that have had to deal with dozens of hamstring injuries, he constantly has to deal with it and play through it.
 
JPRouve said:
According to the doctor that Barcelona sent him to, yes. And Dembélé has had three long term injuries, one grade three hamstring tear, one hamstring avulsion and a knee ligament tear, your point would make some sense if we were talking about niggling injuries that can be caused by diet or something like that but not the type of injuries that he got.
Now regarding Alba, he is one of the players that have had to deal with dozens of hamstring injuries, he constantly has to deal with it and play through it.
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Alba is one of Barcelona's most consistent performers and has been flying up and down that left wing for almost 10 years, playing over 40 games a season. If he's got bad hamstrings then he's hiding it extremely well.

That came from a report and detailed study that was done by L'Equipe at the time. Not unreasonable to suspect that it was framed a certain way to make it sound it wasn't all his fault.
 
Oranges038 said:
Alba is one of Barcelona's most consistent performers and has been flying up and down that left wing for almost 10 years, playing over 40 games a season. If he's got bad hamstrings then he's hiding it extremely well.

That came from a report and detailed study that was done by L'Equipe at the time. Not unreasonable to suspect that it was framed a certain way to make it sound it wasn't all his fault.
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Alba is a quality player it's not the question, he sitll struggled with niggling injuries for his entire career, the same is true for Robben. L'Equipe have had no issue laying into Dembélé, in general french media are perfectly fine with that and not really the protecting type, on the other end the reports against Dembélé come from Sport and Mundo Deportivo the same papers used by Bartomeu.

But let's say that Aspetar and L'Equipe lied, why his injury issues started at Barcelona and why has he regained form under Xavi after a focus on increasing intensity during training?
 
JPRouve said:
Alba is a quality player it's not the question, he sitll struggled with niggling injuries for his entire career, the same is true for Robben. L'Equipe have had no issue laying into Dembélé, in general french media are perfectly fine with that and not really the protecting type, on the other end the reports against Dembélé come from Sport and Mundo Deportivo the same papers used by Bartomeu.

But let's say that Aspetar and L'Equipe lied, why his injury issues started at Barcelona and why has he regained form under Xavi after a focus on increasing intensity during training?
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Well, having looked at it since 2020 he's tried to sort put his off field issues and he's had less injuries since. So, to be fair, while it may have been in part due to the training, in all likelihood it's more like it was a combination of him not looking after himself properly off the pitch and not being in a condition to play and train with the intensity required to avoid injury.

To say it was down to training intensity while the majority of the other players in the squad had no major issues with it. Is just false.
 
Oranges038 said:
Well, having looked at it since 2020 he's tried to sort put his off field issues and he's had less injuries since. So, to be fair, while it may have been in part due to the training, in all likelihood it's more like it was a combination of him not looking after himself properly off the pitch and not being in a condition to play and train with the intensity required to avoid injury.

To say it was down to training intensity while the majority of the other players in the squad had no major issues with it. Is just false.
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Aspetar is wrong then.
 
JPRouve said:
Aspetar is wrong then.
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To say it was all down to training intensity is false, otherwise he wouldn't have changed his eating habits and wouldn't have an off field programme to follow to help prepare and prevent injuries happening on the field.
 
Oranges038 said:
To say it was all down to training intensity is false, otherwise he wouldn't have changed his eating habits and wouldn't have an off field programme to follow to help prepare and prevent injuries happening on the field.
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Not really, you are drawing conclusions that shouldn't be drawn because they are based on nothing and don't even match with his history. He needed to change his eating habits because they weren't good and weren't ideal from a performance standpoint, there is no direct corrolation between his injuries and the way he was eating otherwise the same type of injuries would have been a thing at Rennes and Dortmund but it wasn't the case.

Would you say that Sergi Roberto or Robben had poor eating habits?
 
JPRouve said:
Not really, you are drawing conclusions that shouldn't be drawn because they are based on nothing and don't even match with his history. He needed to change his eating habits because they weren't good and weren't ideal from a performance standpoint, there is no direct corrolation between his injuries and the way he was eating otherwise the same type of injuries would have been a thing at Rennes and Dortmund but it wasn't the case.

Would you say that Sergi Roberto or Robben had poor eating habits?
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So, how you live, eat and drink off the field has absolutely no bearing or impact on whether or not you can perform to the required levels on the field?

It has no impact whatsoever on whether or not your muscles can withstand the rigours of high intensity training every day?
 
Oranges038 said:
So, how you live, eat and drink off the field has absolutely no bearing or impact on whether or not you can perform to the required levels on the field?

It has no impact whatsoever on whether or not your muscles can withstand the rigours of high intensity training every day?
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It's not what is written, in fact I wrote the exact opposite. What you can't claim is that a particular injury in this case two hamstring tear and a ligament tear are directly linked to a specific diet.

And Barcelona weren't training at high intensity, it was allegedly the issue. Barcelona used to train at low intensity even though someone like Dembélé is a player that in games makes lots of high intensity and long runs.

 
JPRouve said:
It's not what is written, in fact I wrote the exact opposite. What you can't claim is that a particular injury in this case two hamstring tear and a ligament tear are directly linked to a specific diet.

And Barcelona weren't training at high intensity, it was allegedly the issue. Barcelona used to train at low intensity even though someone like Dembélé is a player that in games makes lots of high intensity and long runs.

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I never claimed he tore his hamstring because he ate pizza and drank coke.

Not being physycally fit enough, due to lifestyle issues is a factor. If he was looking after himself properly and eating and drinking right they might not have happened.

The article itself claims that he changed his lifestyle and preparation to help prevent such injuries. So someone else obviously made the connection between diet, lifestyle and being physically fit enough to ensure such injuries were avoidable.
 
I don't know I think his wage demands and him being poor defensively compared to Antony or Raphinha would go against him being in an ideal ETH side. Does look like he might have fixed his injuries woes, but he is due a big injury based on prior years.
 
croadyman said:
Confident we would be interested IF able to offer Champions League football but aren't
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Id take him if he has (as reported) sorted out his injury issues. The kind of signing that takes our front players up that next level.
 
If we can get him on reasonable wages because of a lack of interest.

Might be a smart move.
 
Apparently Barca have offered 200k a week gross to him.

If we can get him for around 250k a week or 200k + a signing bonus that would be a great bit of business as we badly need a RW and I'm not convinced there's going to be much money left for once once we've signed the rest of the eredevisie. Would much rather him than Antony anyway
 
Guapa said:
This guy.All the potential in the world but an absolute tool.Avoid at all cost.
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If you hit the space bar twice after the last word in a sentence, it creates a period & a space. This would make your posts much easier to digest.
 
De Jong & Dembele will change our squad around from under 75 mil
 
He has an inflated ego and high wage demands a la Pogba.. He turned against Dortmund and pretty much has limited options now except that Barca contract. Injury prone as well..
 
ashneel said:
He has an inflated ego and high wage demands a la Pogba.. He turned against Dortmund and pretty much has limited options now except that Barca contract. Injury prone as well..
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You can’t make them assumptions with zero evidence. What your doing is profiling.
 
No brainer on a free. Ajax demanding insane fees for Antony and we can't go into the season without a RW.
 
Definitely has a big ego, won’t come here due to cl is my guess, whilst he is quality I would still be worried about his injuries he seems to a big injury every year. Would be a great but completely opposite to a raphinha or Antony type, eth usually prefers wingers who can track back tuck in, but I think he would find a way to accommodate him if he thought he would fit.
 
ashneel said:
He has an inflated ego and high wage demands a la Pogba.. He turned against Dortmund and pretty much has limited options now except that Barca contract. Injury prone as well..
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There's a fine line between confidence and having his assumed inflated ego. If top players can demand high salaries and clubs are willing to pay then why not look after their own interests? He will have many suitors and can walk into any top team in the world simply due to his ability. Yes, injuries have been an issue over his career. However, he has remained injury-free over the second part of the season and has been top assist maker in La Liga despite playing a lot fewer games.
 
Sultan said:
There's a fine line between confidence and having his assumed inflated ego. If top players can demand high salaries and clubs are willing to pay then why not look after their own interests? He will have many suitors and can walk into any top team in the world simply due to his ability. Yes, injuries have been an issue over his career. However, he has remained injury-free over the second part of the season and has been top assist maker in La Liga despite playing a lot fewer games.
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I mean every player should look after their own interests. He went awol for Dortmund once Barca showed interest. He did the same again for Barca when he was reprimanded for being late a number of times for training. He was subsequently sidelined by Valverde. Off the pitch, when he was filmed using racist remarks along with Griezmann, he basically said sorry but I'd use the same language everywhere else..
PS Apologies for mt broken English
 
Doesn't he get injured like.. all the time? Knee injuries, hamstring injuries, torn muscles. Every time I read about him since his move from Dortmund, it says something about injuries... His transfermarkt profile is just a sea of red (signifying injuries) since joining Barca. He has fantastic ability, but he is a massive risk for anyone signing him. The last thing we need is another Phil Jones (not that it's his fault) on 110k.
 
Dembele signs another contract with Barcelona on reduced terms. What hold do they have on players? Having been treated not so nicely, Dembele accedes to their demands and requests.
 
copen1945 said:
Dembele signs another contract with Barcelona on reduced terms. What hold do they have on players? Having been treated not so nicely, Dembele accedes to their demands and requests.
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People don’t simply walk away from money, this whole situation stinks. Allowing deferring wages is a ridiculous thing, when does it end.
 
So Barca can offer him a new contract but can’t pay de Jong what he’s owed? Why do players still wanna play for that club! There in a mess!
 
He was training with Barcelona today. It's so weird. :lol:
 
edcunited1878 said:
Is he technically still a free agent? If he is and he's proactively training with their first team, that is pretty odd. If he gets hurt in training, Barca technically are off the hook and aren't liable.
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Technically he is but the rumour is that he has found a contract agreement with Barcelona.
 


He used to earn 12 million gross, now he gets 11 million net. That's close to doubling the salary. Well played.
 
That’s mad stuff.

How we laugh at our players for costing so much and some of these clubs gets players that perform when they want to increase wages.
 
Acrobat7 said:
Wait... what? :lol: Surely this cannot be true.
@Niemans
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It's Footmercato, so it's likely not true. Now L'Equipe said that Dembélé will earn less than his previous contract but that it's still around 10m, so a marginal difference.
 
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