Our next six PL games

shaky said:
I expect us to win them all. Easily.
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We couldn't beat Watford.
We couldn't beat Stoke.
4 points from the last 4 games.
And you think we are going to win our next 6 games? What logic are you basing your prediction on?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You sure are!

This post-Fergie era has completely drained my usual confidence about United. I'm kind of dreading Monday, as I can see us getting an awful hammering. I had similar thoughts about the derby and that didn't end well either. Hopefully there will be some good results in these next six games but, right now, I have us a good way short of Liverpool and Arsenal but hopefully marginally better than Chelsea. I don't see us winning all the other games either. If I was a betting man I'd go with a maximum of 10 points at the end of this run and mass despair on the caf. Not a snowball's chance in hell of racking up 14 points. Obviously, I really hope I'm wrong.
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I suspect youre not!

But I'm determined to be optimistic. At some stage we're going to get the old United back (or maybe not something quite as dominant as that, but something capable of putting together a good run of form and winning the league), whether its now, next month, next year or in 27 years. Im going to work on the assumption that its now until I am proven wrong. Then Im going to despair, say all our players are shit, predict a complete collapse, question Mourinho's competence as a manager, cool off, and then eventually start to feel a bit more optimistic again. Until finally Im ready to start the cycle again.
 
Adebesi said:
I suspect youre not!

But I'm determined to be optimistic. At some stage we're going to get the old United back (or maybe not something quite as dominant as that, but something capable of putting together a good run of form and winning the league), whether its now, next month, next year or in 27 years. Im going to work on the assumption that its now until I am proven wrong. Then Im going to despair, say all our players are shit, predict a complete collapse, question Mourinho's competence as a manager, cool off, and then eventually start to feel a bit more optimistic again. Until finally Im ready to start the cycle again.
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Aye. You and me both. I just think our cycles aren't in synch. If we were chicks, the solution would be to move in together.
 
Sammyjunn said:
I agree but I think Chelsea draw.
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Possible, but I'm expecting the MOTM debate in that one to be a three-way battle between Hazard, Fabregas and Costa given the level of shite they produced last season when they were getting Mourinho sacked - I'm expecting big, big performances from them to spite him. Throw in an Atkinson-like referee appointment and the odds will be against us.
 
PL: Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - D
EL: Man Utd v Fenerbahçe - 20 Oct - W
PL: Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - W
LC: Man Utd v Man City - 26 Oct - W
PL: Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W
EL: Fenerbahçe v Man Utd - 3 Nov - D
PL: Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - W

PL: Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - L
EL: Man Utd v Feyenoord - 24 Nov - W
PL: Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - D

Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - D

Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W

Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - D

Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - L

Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W


I'm guessing 9 points
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that believes Swansea away is a gimme- they've been a bogey team of late and we've fecked up against Watford and Stoke already. I reckon we can get a point out of Arse, but we'll lose one of Chelsea and Liverpool, so ditto, 9 points (I think). Top four will be a stretch and anything else a massive bonus, unless Mikhi turns out to be the second coming.
 
sunama said:
Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - L
Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - D
Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W
Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - W
Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - W
Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W

13 PTS.
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Pretty much what I predicted too. Can't see us getting anything out of Liverpool. Chelsea will be fired playing against Mourinho, up but with their form and transition under Conte, I don't think we will lose. We should beat Burnley, Swansea, West Ham and Mourinho always beat Arsenal so there's that. 13 points from 6 games is alright I guess.
 
Think we'll take 9 points from those. We're far too disorganised and fragile to be taking points off Liverpool , Chelsea and Arsenal. I'm certain we'll beat the other three though which would be a respectable return. If this goes with a Cup victory over city and two Europa wins it might be enough to keep out the pitch folks.
 
Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - D
Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - W
Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W
Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - D
Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - L
Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W

11 points, though I might be wearing Arsenal-tinted glasses here so it could very well be 14.

I think you'll have a lovely goalfest of a draw at Anfield while easily putting aside Chelsea afterwards. Swansea just a shit away performance after just returning from Turkey and the Arsenal result can go either way tbh.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I'll happily take 3 points from our next two. Combining Liverpool's form and our record at Chelsea, I'm expecting one point from those two.
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I think we have a good chance of winning at Chelsea, considering Jose knows them inside-out and also his pride being at stake.

I wouldn't be surprised to win both against Liverpool and Chelsea and then to lose/draw against Swansea and burnley
 
Mihai said:
I wouldn't be surprised to win both against Liverpool and Chelsea and then to lose/draw against Swansea and burnley
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That's the sort of thing which happened with LVG, but with Jose, I don't think it will.
Though lets not forget, this is the EPL, so anything is possible.
 
sunama said:
We couldn't beat Watford.
We couldn't beat Stoke.
4 points from the last 4 games.
And you think we are going to win our next 6 games? What logic are you basing your prediction on?
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I think we have a better squad than all these teams. There's no reason to be pessimistic if we can get a bit of luck on our side for a change.
 
Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - L

Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - D

Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W

Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - W

Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - W

Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W

I think we get 13 points from these games which I would be happy with.
 
I actually believe we will beat Liverpool comfortably, not because it's Liverpool and I really want us to but because of their play-style. They push up high and pressure which will leave room for Pogba's long balls towards Zlatan. If Mourinho plays speedy players I see us doing well.

Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - W

Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - D

Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W

Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - L

Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - D

Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W

We always have to bottle a certain win so I chose against Swansea.
 
Jippy said:
I'm glad I'm not the only one that believes Swansea away is a gimme- they've been a bogey team of late and we've fecked up against Watford and Stoke already. I reckon we can get a point out of Arse, but we'll lose one of Chelsea and Liverpool, so ditto, 9 points (I think). Top four will be a stretch and anything else a massive bonus, unless Mikhi turns out to be the second coming.
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Yeah Swansea are a dodgy team apart from under Moyes when we smashed them 4-1 hope we can get a result like that but I'm not too confident tbh.

Miki can be a great player for us to get double figures in goals and assists in bundesliga is not easy I fully expect him to come good
 
sunama said:
That's the sort of thing which happened with LVG, but with Jose, I don't think it will.
Though lets not forget, this is the EPL, so anything is possible.
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I think it has more to do with players' motivation in big matches. Had we played at least for one half as we played in the second against city, I have no doubts we would've won those two matches.

I still think the lack of concentration and motivation especially from our star players is costing us big time.
 
Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - D

Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - W

Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W

Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - D

Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - W

Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W
 
JosDeVos said:
Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - D
Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - W
Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W
Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov - D
Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - L
Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov - W

11 points, though I might be wearing Arsenal-tinted glasses here so it could very well be 14.

I think you'll have a lovely goalfest of a draw at Anfield while easily putting aside Chelsea afterwards. Swansea just a shit away performance after just returning from Turkey and the Arsenal result can go either way tbh.
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The only game I can guarantee Man Utd will win for sure is that one. Both Man Utd at Old Trafford and Jose are Bogeys for Arsenal. I cannot see anything else apart from a Man Utd win. The only good thing about Jose as Man Utd manager for Arsenal is there are fewer matches that we need to write off now.
 
Well since this thread is pure speculation, might as well go for maximum points. We'll win everything. That's my actual prediction.
 
CannonBalls said:
The only game I can guarantee Man Utd will win for sure is that one. Both Man Utd at Old Trafford and Jose are Bogeys for Arsenal. I cannot see anything else apart from a Man Utd win. The only good thing about Jose as Man Utd manager for Arsenal is there are fewer matches that we need to write off now.
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Doesn't matter about history. United had beat Stoke at Old Trafford every game for 36 years until this season. If there's one thing we've been good at these past three years its breaking records.
 
Liverpool v Man Utd - 17 Oct - D
Chelsea v Man Utd - 23 Oct - D
Man Utd v Burnley - 29 Oct - W
Swansea v Man Utd - 6 Nov -W
Man Utd v Arsenal - 19 Nov - W
Man Utd v West Ham - 27 Nov -W

14 points
 
Damien said:
If there's one thing we've been good at these past three years its breaking records.
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I am beginning to arrive at the conclusion that we have a curse on us.

Moyes
While not being great, he was not a bad manager, but he managed to take us to 7th (breaking many negative records). Had he stayed the whole season, he may have dropped down to 9th or 10th.

LVG
We all thought that Moyes had broken so many negative records, that no more records would be set. We were wrong. LVG continued to set negative records.

Jose
A Galactico class manager in every sense. A manager who has a reputation of being close to unbeatable in home games.
We lose to MCFC and Feyenoord, but then we lose to Watford, which makes it 3 losses in a row. The first time Jose has lost 3 games in a row, since 2002.
Then came the Stoke game - Stoke got their first point at OT, for 36 years!

Are managers coming to OT and turning crap immediately?
The strange thing is that each manager is starting with promise, spending big money, but later in their tenure will state that 4th place is the best we can hope for...and then fail at that, too.

The Players - Hall of Shame
Oh and lets not forget about the players, some of whom have been embarrassing. We buy players, they immediately turn to crap. Memphis. Morgan. Darmian. Bastian. Rojo. And the man who I think should've given all his wages to charity, so embarrassingly bad was he, that he was played in the reserves where he got subbed off for being terrible - Mr R.Falcao.
Martial (one of our best outfield players last season) also seems to have lost his ability over the Summer.
Some people may not realise this, but we have the best player in Germany from last year (rated higher than Muller, Aubameyang, Hummels, etc) in our team, who was so bad in his last game for us, he was hooked!

I mean, WTF is going on here?
 
9 points max. I suspect the Liverpool match won't be pretty and a bad result could cause confidence issues going straight into Chelsea away. Awfully shit set of fixtures, really.
 
sunama said:
I am beginning to arrive at the conclusion that we have a curse on us.

Moyes
While not being great, he was not a bad manager, but he managed to take us to 7th (breaking many negative records). Had he stayed the whole season, he may have dropped down to 9th or 10th.

LVG
We all thought that Moyes had broken so many negative records, that no more records would be set. We were wrong. LVG continued to set negative records.

Jose
A Galactico class manager in every sense. A manager who has a reputation of being close to unbeatable in home games.
We lose to MCFC and Feyenoord, but then we lose to Watford, which makes it 3 losses in a row. The first time Jose has lost 3 games in a row, since 2002.
Then came the Stoke game - Stoke got their first point at OT, for 36 years!

Are managers coming to OT and turning crap immediately?
The strange thing is that each manager is starting with promise, spending big money, but later in their tenure will state that 4th place is the best we can hope for...and then fail at that, too.

The Players - Hall of Shame
Oh and lets not forget about the players, some of whom have been embarrassing. We buy players, they immediately turn to crap. Memphis. Morgan. Darmian. Bastian. Rojo. And the man who I think should've given all his wages to charity, so embarrassingly bad was he, that he was played in the reserves where he got subbed off for being terrible - Mr R.Falcao.
Martial (one of our best outfield players last season) also seems to have lost his ability over the Summer.
Some people may not realise this, but we have the best player in Germany from last year (rated higher than Muller, Aubameyang, Hummels, etc) in our team, who was so bad in his last game for us, he was hooked!

I mean, WTF is going on here?
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amen!
 
sunama said:
I am beginning to arrive at the conclusion that we have a curse on us.

Moyes
While not being great, he was not a bad manager, but he managed to take us to 7th (breaking many negative records). Had he stayed the whole season, he may have dropped down to 9th or 10th.

LVG
We all thought that Moyes had broken so many negative records, that no more records would be set. We were wrong. LVG continued to set negative records.

Jose
A Galactico class manager in every sense. A manager who has a reputation of being close to unbeatable in home games.
We lose to MCFC and Feyenoord, but then we lose to Watford, which makes it 3 losses in a row. The first time Jose has lost 3 games in a row, since 2002.
Then came the Stoke game - Stoke got their first point at OT, for 36 years!

Are managers coming to OT and turning crap immediately?
The strange thing is that each manager is starting with promise, spending big money, but later in their tenure will state that 4th place is the best we can hope for...and then fail at that, too.

The Players - Hall of Shame
Oh and lets not forget about the players, some of whom have been embarrassing. We buy players, they immediately turn to crap. Memphis. Morgan. Darmian. Bastian. Rojo. And the man who I think should've given all his wages to charity, so embarrassingly bad was he, that he was played in the reserves where he got subbed off for being terrible - Mr R.Falcao.
Martial (one of our best outfield players last season) also seems to have lost his ability over the Summer.
Some people may not realise this, but we have the best player in Germany from last year (rated higher than Muller, Aubameyang, Hummels, etc) in our team, who was so bad in his last game for us, he was hooked!

I mean, WTF is going on here?
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Too much change at one time due to too much reliance on the older (and bloody good) players.

You have to take into account we had not really invested in the midfield for a very long time, I mean we even had Scholes come out of retirement. Additionally, though Fergie brought in Smalling and Jones, he did not do enough in other positions.

Moyes, did feck all to bring anyone in and ended up with panic buys, LVG couldn't tweak first year as so many left at end of Moyes Era. The second batch appeared to be just about right, but as you say most have failed to live up to the standards required. Jose hasn't bought crap, but only one is producing the goods at the moment.

So imo too much player, manager and backroom changes because there is pressure to deliver trophies each year.
 
I say we can win them all,

The problem with United at the moment is complex, we have arguably the second best squad in the PL, but our mentality and confidence needs to be re-enforced. It will take some time and we have to be willing to take chances and yes a pasting every now and then and bounce back instead of being afraid to lose.

We've been looking for quick fixes and it's starting to hurt us. We look disjointed and out of sync too many times and that is a result of constant chopping and changing of personnel on the field and off.
 
top1whoisman said:
Extremely important to get at least 14 points if we want to keep up with City, as their next 6 will be:

Everton H
Barca CL A
So’ton H
United EFL A
West Brom A
Barca CL H
Boro H
Palace A
M’gladbach CL A
Burnley A

Feck me, that’s an easy one. City’s december though will have Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal & Liverpool. If they get 9-10 points from those...
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There are very very few easy away matches in the PL any more. Swansea, WBA, Southampton, Palace, Watford, Stoke etc. .... all tough.
 
Rafateria said:
There are very very few easy away matches in the PL any more. Swansea, WBA, Southampton, Palace, Watford, Stoke etc. .... all tough.
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Agree to some extent, but having seen City play this season (yes I know they haven't won in 3, they did batter their opponents though) I'd say City will win those 5 matches with ease. Happy to be wrong. Perhaps this is a jinx attempt. Hmm, did I just anti-jinx it? :confused:
 
I think Liverpool will beat us tomorrow, would be happy with a draw. A draw at Chelsea would also be a good result. After Chelsea I think we need to win at least 3 of the next 4 with beating Arsenal at home being absolutely the most important one.

Overall I would be happy with 11 points.
 
sunama said:
I am beginning to arrive at the conclusion that we have a curse on us.

Moyes
While not being great, he was not a bad manager, but he managed to take us to 7th (breaking many negative records). Had he stayed the whole season, he may have dropped down to 9th or 10th.

LVG
We all thought that Moyes had broken so many negative records, that no more records would be set. We were wrong. LVG continued to set negative records.

Jose
A Galactico class manager in every sense. A manager who has a reputation of being close to unbeatable in home games.
We lose to MCFC and Feyenoord, but then we lose to Watford, which makes it 3 losses in a row. The first time Jose has lost 3 games in a row, since 2002.
Then came the Stoke game - Stoke got their first point at OT, for 36 years!

Are managers coming to OT and turning crap immediately?
The strange thing is that each manager is starting with promise, spending big money, but later in their tenure will state that 4th place is the best we can hope for...and then fail at that, too.

The Players - Hall of Shame
Oh and lets not forget about the players, some of whom have been embarrassing. We buy players, they immediately turn to crap. Memphis. Morgan. Darmian. Bastian. Rojo. And the man who I think should've given all his wages to charity, so embarrassingly bad was he, that he was played in the reserves where he got subbed off for being terrible - Mr R.Falcao.
Martial (one of our best outfield players last season) also seems to have lost his ability over the Summer.
Some people may not realise this, but we have the best player in Germany from last year (rated higher than Muller, Aubameyang, Hummels, etc) in our team, who was so bad in his last game for us, he was hooked!

I mean, WTF is going on here?
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Nice piece. I wouldn't be surprised if we hammered Liverpool, Chelsea and Arse but weren't up for it against Burnley, Swansea and the Hammers. But we were very good against Stoke, bar the result. So I'll say...

PL- Liverpool v Man Utd Lose or Draw
EL- Man Utd v Fenerbahçe Win
PL- Chelsea v Man Utd Draw or Win
LC- Man Utd v Man City Win
PL- Man Utd v Burnley Win
EL- Fenerbahçe v Man Utd Draw
PL- Swansea v Man Utd Win
PL- Man Utd v Arsenal Draw
EL- Man Utd v Feyenoord Win
PL- Man Utd v West Ham Draw
 
Why Monday with Europe on Thursday? I have a feeling United were complicit in this decision otherwise I'm sure we would have lodged a complaint. Who knows, maybe we did. Then Chelsea on Sunday, putrid task, 3 games in 7 days and it ain't even December.
 
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