Omari Forson

it was very close to not touch the ball at all, but he moved to the right to be able to receive pass and pass it back :) To not give him 10 minutes at least with 2 goals up against League One club is really something. Also, not giving Hugill debut but playing Hojlund untill the last 2 minutes, and than playing Mejbri who is leaving in a few days is weird.
 
cyberman said:
This is why its futile to talk about youth products at English clubs anymore.
In the first few sentences its said we got the 15 year old from Spurs then hes called a former West Ham acadamy player a few sentences later.
If he did join Arsenal and made a breakthrough 18 months down the line, how on earth could he have been called an Arsenal product?
Modern football..
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People consider Nketiah an Arsenal product. I think if you have a two or three year impact on a teenagers development it is fine to consider them a product of their time with you. People just need to understand that players spending time at more than one academy isn’t at all unusual anymore.
 
Bluelion7 said:
People consider Nketiah an Arsenal product. I think if you have a two or three year impact on a teenagers development it is fine to consider them a product of their time with you. People just need to understand that players spending time at more than one academy isn’t at all unusual anymore.
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The criteria most commonly used for determining a youth player is:

1. Played in your Academy (you can hardly be regarded as a youth player if you didn't play in the youth team)
2. 17 years or younger (at 18 the FA regards players as adults and you can sign professionally at 17)
3. Not played first team football for another professional club (if you have already reached the first team you are regarded as already 'developed")

So for United, loads of players coming from school, Boys Clubs or other Academies fall into this category. If they come from other Academies then it is reasonable for both clubs to recognise the coaching given to the player. At United, we don't keep statistics of youth players until they play for the U/16's. The reason is to be consistent with players in past decades before the rules kept on changing. So someone who goes to our Academy but leaves at 10 or 12...we wouldn't add them to our list for records and statistical purposes.

Some players miss out being qualified as youth players because they don't meet all three criteria. Here are some examples:

Shawn Goater played in our Academy and didn't play for another professional club but he was already an adult.

Lee Sharpe played in our Academy, was 17 when he arrived but had already played first team football for Torquay United. Isak Hansen was the same as was Bojan Djordic.

The Da Silva twins arrived at 17, hadn't played professionally anywhere else but didn't actually play in any Academy team.

Of the 250 (or 254 depending on whose records you use) Academy graduates that have played for United...all of them meet all three criteria.
 
Mr. MUJAC said:
The criteria most commonly used for determining a youth player is:

1. Played in your Academy (you can hardly be regarded as a youth player if you didn't play in the youth team)
2. 17 years or younger (at 18 the FA regards players as adults and you can sign professionally at 17)
3. Not played first team football for another professional club (if you have already reached the first team you are regarded as already 'developed")

So for United, loads of players coming from school, Boys Clubs or other Academies fall into this category. If they come from other Academies then it is reasonable for both clubs to recognise the coaching given to the player. At United, we don't keep statistics of youth players until they play for the U/16's. The reason is to be consistent with players in past decades before the rules kept on changing. So someone who goes to our Academy but leaves at 10 or 12...we wouldn't add them to our list for records and statistical purposes.

Some players miss out being qualified as youth players because they don't meet all three criteria. Here are some examples:

Shawn Goater played in our Academy and didn't play for another professional club but he was already an adult.

Lee Sharpe played in our Academy, was 17 when he arrived but had already played first team football for Torquay United. Isak Hansen was the same as was Bojan Djordic.

The Da Silva twins arrived at 17, hadn't played professionally anywhere else but didn't actually play in any Academy team.

Of the 250 (or 254 depending on whose records you use) Academy graduates that have played for United...all of them meet all three criteria.
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Who are the 4 players that cause the 254? And why are they dropped from the club’s count?
 
limerickcitykid said:
Who are the 4 players that cause the 254? And why are they dropped from the club’s count?
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Jack Roach from the mid-1940's. There is some confusion about when he joined the club during war-time.

Paul Jones, Pat Olney and Frank McGivern all made debut's in the Anglo Italian Cup. It was a club competition authorised by the Football Association (like the Screen Sport Super Cup and the Football League Centenary competition) but United for some reason don't recognise it. Even though all other clubs who participated all add appearances and goals to their players records United have refused. Swindon, Blackpool and Newcastle all have it in their honours list. Personally I think it's a mistake made years ago and it means changing so many players records and they can't be arsed.
 
Mr. MUJAC said:
Jack Roach from the mid-1940's. There is some confusion about when he joined the club during war-time.

Paul Jones, Pat Olney and Frank McGivern all made debut's in the Anglo Italian Cup. It was a club competition authorised by the Football Association (like the Screen Sport Super Cup and the Football League Centenary competition) but United for some reason don't recognise it. Even though all other clubs who participated all add appearances and goals to their players records United have refused. Swindon, Blackpool and Newcastle all have it in their honours list. Personally I think it's a mistake made years ago and it means changing so many players records and they can't be arsed.
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Interesting as always, thanks for the information.
 
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