I loved the appointment at the time but the praise and pre-celebrations are getting over the top. Let us first improve and then we can celebrate
Omar Berrada | Man Utd CEO
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Serious question, what will happen with Berrada if/when City get their punishment?
Can it potentially ban Omar in his CEO role here or is it only City as a club that gets points deducted?
Any previous cases on a smaller scale somewhere in Europe?
Can it potentially ban Omar in his CEO role here or is it only City as a club that gets points deducted?
Any previous cases on a smaller scale somewhere in Europe?
Ye I posted similar, surprised many are just praising this (which is fair enough) but this point is not really being brought up or adressed more.
He has worked for City football group since 2011.
Only similar recent case I can think of is Juve and both Agnelli and Nedved got timed bans, not sure if other`s did.
There are other cases like the match fixing 2005/6 case in Italy where a number of clubs were punished but i`m not sure on the details of directors/ceo`s etc.
Need a good manager before we do anything really.
Ten Hag is a good manager. Whether it works out at United is another story but if he leaves United then you can be sure he'll get another very good job and will likely do a very good job.
You're struggling to tell the difference between bad and a bad time. He came to the club a good manager. A sought after manager. He was a good manager last season, it's very easy to find PLENTY of United fans who agreed for most of the year.
He hasn't just become a 'bad' manager. Good managers and good players go through good and bad times. Pretty much like everyone in every field of work really.
Was Klopp a bad manager last season but good the season before and now back to being good again? Did he go to coaching school in the summer and relearn what he'd forgotten or something? When you're so short sighted and reactionary you have to jump around these ridiculous stances.
Our fan base has become one whose support is solely reliant on winning. That's not actual support. Support, much like many human relationships is tested when times are bad, not when times are good. It's dead easy to be a fan of a winning club, you clap like a seel and take credit online for the achievements of others. Well done, you're a real contribution to the institution of Manchester United Football Club.
He's a good manager who should (and most likely will) get the rest of the season to turn things around. If it doesn't work out, he'll go to Bayern or Dortmund or some other European club and will no doubt do well. Not doing well with Manchester United, particularly with how we've been ran and various other mitigating factors does not simply mean you're "bad".
I think most of the allegations predate Berrada having a prominent role at the club. Garry Cook and Soriano are probably the ones who would face any potential consequences - but it is likely that these are deals the owners made without involving the day to day operations at the club.
Has anyone reported what kinda dosh he'll be on at Man United?
THis is more ridiculous fantasy stuff. He came to United as a promising manager, from a small league where he managed the giants. Last year was OK but there were some terrible performances and losses. His signings from the outset were awful and have got worse. This year is the real test and he is utterly lost. To suggest he goes to Bayern or Dortmund after United is laughable. Also, why 'should' he get the rest of the season? If the INEOS deal had gone through earlier I am pretty sure he would be gone by now. He has shown nothing this season to suggest a top level manager, he consistently deliver the worst football I have seen in 40 years of watching United. How low standards have fallen at this club
Loads
We're paying him with the United Way.
Seems we're giving him unlimited Disneyland tickets
Utter wibble.
Can't even be bothered taking this on, it's so ridiculous it's just not worth it. If you think we played better football when we were finishing 12th and 13th with Fergie or under Van Gaal and Moyes then you're too deluded to bother trying to have a reasonable conversation with.
You're nearly 50 or 50+ and this is the best, most sensible response you can muster...? Wowsers.
He definitely won't go to Bayern or any club at that level when he's gone. He'll most likely get a job at a lower tier top club so Dortmund are not out of question, or an aspiring top half team in Spain or Italy (in the mold of Sevilla, Valencia, Roma or Lazio).
Bayern and all other top clubs are not morons, they won't go for a manager that's proven to be utter failure at United. There is a reason why despite of his Ajax success he had not really been widely pursued by other clubs and was rejected by Spurs.
No this is a ridiculous take. How was last year just OK? After taking over from our worst pl points tally and quite frankly the most depressing season of my life, with 6/7 first teamers leaving on a free, not including the likes of Bailly, Telles and the like, and having to deal with horrendous off field issues including that Ronaldo interview and its fallout, sancho being soft as pigshit, and the whole takeover fiasco, he got us third and a cup and another cup final (please remind me, when was the last time a united team got top 4 and won a cup in the same season?). it was a very good season when context is taken into account. The odd bad result doesn't change that especially considering how often those have been in the previous 2/3 years.
This year the takeover has been a looming shadow throughout and it's clearly affected the club from top to bottom. He has still had a bad season, but as has been mentioned by the previous poster, what about Klopp the last 4 years where he has had one off one on season throughout?
I think some fans need to seriously grow up. Fire the manager now, why?? what is the plan after this genius move? Who would we appoint half way through the season that can salvage anything from this year in a way that Ten hag is unable to do? Why would you rush into hiring a manager now for very little upside compared to waiting until the summer just to then realise a year later they are not the right man because you've not done your due diligence? Or do you want an intrim manager? in which case you are essentially forfeiting the rest this season, so then it goes back to the same question, what benefit does that bring compared to keeping ten hag, other than having to pay more money out for managerial compensation and paying the interim 6 months' wages? Are you aware we are so close to be in FFP trouble? I'm really sick of these brainless suggestions.
FYI, the low standards at the club are not the result of the manager, it is to do with the whole footballing structure above him. This is why every manager has always been doomed to fail here and something which INEOS clearly identified as the most critical aspect to fix immediately. That too won't be fixed with appointment of one person, but the appointment of the right individual in every position, only at that point will we see how well a manager can perform. IF The vision of the new structure does not align with the manager, then sure, get rid, but again, do it in the summer when every has had time to get their feet under the table.
rumours say that its way over the minimum wage
£115 per hour at least.
Most of our managers since SAF retired have on average been replaced in 2 seasons (and rightly).
It is the players who have just stayed well past their due date.
Great post. I completely agree.
You can say that again
Only Berrada knows why he moved, the rest of us, possibly, will find out eventually.
We've had so many bad moves in terms of owners/management structures etc. in recent years, it is right to be hopeful, but not carried away. Like I suspect many fans I will be happier when we start to look much better on the pitch, if this occurs and also involves making INEOS/Sir Jim look good, and even the Glazer's benefit with an improving share price, then I will start to believe we may have turned a corner.
I suspect however that Omar will have an awful lot of dross to sort out, from top to bottom, so lets hope his enthusiasm for the fray is still intact and his best years are still ahead of him.
Welcome to United Omar!
We've had so many bad moves in terms of owners/management structures etc. in recent years, it is right to be hopeful, but not carried away. Like I suspect many fans I will be happier when we start to look much better on the pitch, if this occurs and also involves making INEOS/Sir Jim look good, and even the Glazer's benefit with an improving share price, then I will start to believe we may have turned a corner.
I suspect however that Omar will have an awful lot of dross to sort out, from top to bottom, so lets hope his enthusiasm for the fray is still intact and his best years are still ahead of him.
Welcome to United Omar!
Good things are coming for us. The winds are slowly changing.
We may not be the force of the 90's, but anything will be better than the crap served up in the 2010/20s.
We may not be the force of the 90's, but anything will be better than the crap served up in the 2010/20s.
I mean realistically Berrarda probably moved because he's in effect getting a promotion at a bigger club. He also has the chance to create history by getting some glory back at United while whatever he did at City, he will always be an afterthought.
He hasnt done anything that Frank de boer hadnt already achieved in Holland and nobody is touching him now after his stint in a top tier league with Palace.
We do this with every manager post fergie, over hyping them to a level they are not on and none of them have dine anything noteworthy since being sacked by the club and if mourinho couldn't even prove us wrong then ten hag definitely won't outside of managing a side in a minnow league.
I really hope this is true, I have wanted to see this for years now, it's a proper top club mentality and would stop us seeing players leaving for free and losing out on fees or hanging onto flops until they devalue so much that we have to pay them to move on
To be fair De Boer became "untouchable" because he successisvely failed at Inter and then Palace in a epic fashion. As things stands ETH is closer to Luis Enrique after his Roma stint than De Boer.
De Boer lost 7 of the 14 matches at Inter and then he lost 7 out of the 7 games with Crystal Palace. You can't really compare the guy with ETH. I mean even Ole has a better managerial record then the guy
Happened twice at Rochdale under 2 very different circumstances.
Russ Green was implicated in a number of breaches whilst Chief Exec at hartlepool, he'd since been hired by Rochdale and was again working as their chief exec and was banned from all football for 2 years and was forced to resign as the Rochdale chief exec.
David Bottomley was found guilty of breaching FA regulations with regards to a takeover at Rochdale, he was forced out by their TRUST members and the hostile takeover was fought, I think in the time between the investigation and his ousting he had taken employment at Fylde, but again wasn't allowed to continue due to him being banned.
So in short, the clubs faced sanctions, but the staff who left also faced the consequences. If Berrada was implicated he would face punishments. I'm sure the club have done due diligence on the issue.
Said more in hope than expectation, right?
Unless there is a world wide wage cap, then it's not going to work.
Players go to clubs. for two reasons and only two reasons, wages and to win things.
The only way you get true loyalty is by building from an academy.
Why? I'm pretty sure they're more aware of the situation than some dumbass rival supporter trying to score cheap points or a bitter Qatar fanatic who suddenly discovered their moral backbone.
Presuming he was involved in any arranging of off the book payments, as in he personally sat in meetings and had the autonomy to make those calls knowing full well he had illegal funds to play with then he will get a ban. If he was however working within the restraints the board had set for him and doing things all above board then they won’t even bother with him.
It’s usually tied to share price.
I hope that wasn't aimed at me. The point of my comment was that in the past, United have made so many colossal blunders that fouling things up was the norm.
Sounds good and all, but we will see. He can score a lot of points quickly by sacking Ten Hag as soon as he can. It will add a lot of weight to him bringing back standards and all of that.
I’d say it comes down to two things:
1. His role at the club wouldnt have been big enough in the early 2010s for him to have much to do with cooking the books.
2. It would be extremely idiotic for the likes of Berrada and Txiki to be involved in something like this as they carry huge reputations and could probably leave City for any club in the world. You’d imagine it would be more loyal servants to the Sheikh’s that would be trusted with inflating the figures for City, and not some external hires.
Very good and sensible post.
Excellent, balanced post.
If you apply this logic then Ole was a good manager. Just get him back in. Klopp was a good manager even when he was loosing because he was implementing a style of play that worked all the time and he managed to get good players recruited not donkeys. Put it this way. Lets rate Ten Haag on manager attributes -
1) Style of play - 1/10 - Forget Ajax. He said he wont play that way. At United his style of play is dogsht. Its boring counter attacking and has no midfield resulting in the likes of getting spanked to fk out of Liverpool etc. Literally spanked to fk.
2) Results - 7/10 last season. 2/10 this season. 4/10 average over his time here. Add some points for winning a cup. Good enough?
3) Recruitment - Yes it was Ten Haag that wanted all these donkeys. Apart from Martinez is his signings working out? Casemiro another plus but old and doesnt fit a one man midfield. 5/10? At best.
4) Man management - Sorted out the Ronaldo, Greenwood, Sancho situations and seemed to bond the players last year. On the other hand some could say he has fallen out with a lot of players and this season we dont seem all happy and United. 6/10?
5) Tactics - 5/10. Done some good sht like Weghorst midfield seemed to work against Barca but overall in game substitutes and the fact we get spanked to sht indicates tactics are off. Linked to style of play.
I totally agree with you that we should stick with the Manager and support him in bad times and good BUT and this is a big BUT only if we believe in his vision and direction. Do we really want counter attacking football with one 6 and two 8's? Do we trust in his recruitment? Do we believe Antony, Onana etc are going to lead us to the promised land? Funnily enough Im not Ten Haag out - yet. I actually think getting players back he will start to turn things around. Heck we might even go on a 10 game winning streak. But long term is this way of playing going to work? Is his ideas of what a good player is going to ever work? Its hard to be a believer.