That just doesn't sound true to my ears.
Ole was hired because of his job as interim manager, and he got the job as interim manager based on his status at the club while being a manager with some experience.
Ole's Resume | An overview of Molde's 1st ever title-winning manager
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Ole was hired because of his job as interim manager, and he got the job as interim manager based on his status at the club while being a manager with some experience.
I think Sterling is what is known in life as a one-trick pony.
I bet he has had the same convo with his mates who have since avoided his utter monotony like the plague. So he has only us sods left on-line.
I suspect Ole has become some sort of scapegoat to all the ills of his/her life.
"The on-the-field decisions, results and performances have had many fans on the cafe and beyond very fairly questioning Ole's ability to lead this team. In response, there's an equally vociferous mob with only hope in their eyes criticizing doubters as bad football fans and even going so far as to accuse them of supporting other teams. It's a bit much and wreaks of intolerance for opposing views."
So there are two opinions regarding Ole?
One side is "fairly questioning Oles ability", while the other side has "only hope in their eyes" and have "intolerance for opposing views"?
That last bit is especially ironic given you've tried (and failed) to show you have no tolerance for some poster views.
A new thread just to say you think Oles time at Molde was average and you want him out? Could have just added a post in one of the other, existing threads.
So there are two opinions regarding Ole?
One side is "fairly questioning Oles ability", while the other side has "only hope in their eyes" and have "intolerance for opposing views"?
That last bit is especially ironic given you've tried (and failed) to show you have no tolerance for some poster views.
A new thread just to say you think Oles time at Molde was average and you want him out? Could have just added a post in one of the other, existing threads.
It’s margins really. The biggest upside for Moe has been that Eikrem have come back to the club. He is their best player and have been fantastic.
So in 6 seasons where Ole was solely in charge he won 2 league titles and runners up twice and you are using this as a reason to bash him!
I am not saying his time at Molde proves anything but those stats are pretty good and he won the Norwegian Football Cup.
You conveniently missed some managerial stats:
Manchester United Reserves
Premier Reserve League: 2009–10
Premier Reserve League North: 2009–10
Lancashire Senior Cup: 2008–09
Manchester Senior Cup: 2009
Again doesn’t prove anything at Premier League Level but if you are going to use previous managerial stats to bash him I don’t see how you can apart from Cardiff.
His stats for Man Utd Reserves and Molde are pretty good.
Oh yay another ridiculous pointless thread about our manager who has just beaten Mourinho and Guardiola in his last two games. Get a fecking life and support the man.
Before 2014 Molde also invested in a lot of quality for the Norwegian league. Fagermo even called them a buying team and said the our sovereign wealth fund was the only thing with more money than Moldes budget.
The players that was bought before 2014. A lot of quality for the Norwegian league
Sigurdarsson
Diouf bought back
Singh
Moi Elyounoussi
Your presentation have zero value as there is no context at all in it.
Maybe he would have if the fans hadn't been impatient and called for his sacking.
Context man, context.
No!
Maybe you’re trolling but if not this is plain wrong. The reasons the club has been is such a mess since Sir Alex retirement is because the club haven’t done their homework properly. It’s an odyssey of bad decisions based on a poor recruitment process.
So far Ole’s results with us match quite well his earlier career as a manager. From one extreme to another.
As at stands he’s doing a great job with re building our squad, changing the culture and giving youth opportunities. What we can question is his coaching abilities, especially against teams on the bottom half of the table. Time will tell if he has the ability to improve our overall results or not but based on his earlier achievements I think it’s fair that some of us are still skeptical.
What the hell are you talking about? Ole's skills in Norwegian league was never a factor in his appointment. He was appointed cos he was an ex-player. Do you think the next time there's an United vacancy, managers managing in Norwegian league would be considered?
and hence his work in Norwegian League is irrelevant when we're discussing whether he's good enough for United job or not.
After seeing this thread I feel like there's one more Grim Reaper
Don't really see the point of this thread but the way someone just came out of nowhere to defend Ole as He did in other 20 threads is funny.
Don't really see the point of this thread but the way someone just came out of nowhere to defend Ole as He did in other 20 threads is funny.
Yup. Some of the factors are:
- Huge turnover of players before every season (the league in general, not just Molde). Both incoming and outgoing. You've almost got to start from scratch every year. Keeping any sort of stability is difficult when you're forced to replace key players with unknown quantity. This league is basically just a stepping stone to bigger and better things.
- Molde's entire budget in 2017 was around £8m. Rosenborg's is constantly around £20m. If the latter play their cards right they should be finishing above Molde every season.
- Unpredictability. I've seriously lost count of the amount of times a team has finished top 3 one year only to be battling relegation the next. We've had newly promoted teams fight for top 3 the following seasons. Just this year Bodø/Glimt were favourites to finish rock bottom but somehow found their mojo in pre season, unearthed a 19 year old gem who won POTY (Håkon Evjen, already sold to AZ) and miraculously finished 2nd.
- Fine margins. The quality difference between Molde/Rosenborg players and lower half players is nowhere near the difference between Liverpool/City players and West Ham/Bournemouth players. So whenever Molde/Rosenborg have an off period for whatever reasons they struggle to even get a win on the board.
It's hilarious how biased the OP is though. So Ole only won because Rosenborg sucked in those years yet there's no mention of Rosenborg sucking when Ole hasn't been there. Like them being in the relegation zone after a third of the 2019 season.
Also there's no mention of Ole winning an EL group with Fenerbache, Celtic and Ajax in 15/16, the season before the latter reached the final. In the following round they also punched massively above their weight by winning the home leg vs EL heavyweights Sevilla. But yeah that doesn't suit our 'Ole sucks ass' agenda so let's not mention that.
Damn, you just got the analyst who was supposed to look at Ole's previous results on Wikipedia before hiring him fired.
In other words, Ole built a Molde side that won the title. Their first title ever. In his first job. And he repeated it winning it twice in a row. He had one poor season and then left. He left behind a team good enough to win the title again under a manager who has been average (or below) everywhere he has been. Never won anything, anywhere. Ole then took over a team in decline and gradually built them into a contender again, finishing 2nd twice in a row. He then left behind a great team again who his assistant were able to win the league with. Every side playing attacking football with young, exciting players.
Another spin; Ole took charge in 2011 - 9 years ago. Since then they have won the title four times (before that they had never won) and finished second twice. Won the cup twice. In the decade prior to Ole, with the same owner, they managed to finish 2nd twice and won the cup once (two times in their history)
And this resume is somehow negative. Not agenda driven at all...
Good post, this is what I was asking for. You need to know the context instead of just checking the league positions on wiki. People who watch the league can give detailed analysis, which actually helps the discussion instead of blindly following the numbers.
That's a good point, wonder if Molde fans rate Ole as the manager who changed the club to win 4 titles in 9 years or the manager who won 2 titles but could have won more.
Remember watching one of his interview where Ole said he wants to change everything at Molde and wants to replicate what was followed at ManUtd.
Curious, but not curious enough to do more than 5 minutes of research before starting this thread. Be honest, you were just looking for a fresh angle to spread negativity about Ole.
From the account that gave us this:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/disrespectful-and-selfish-updated-oops.452002/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/disrespectful-and-selfish-updated-oops.452002/
That figures.
Threads like this makes me wonder if some of the posters on here also have this approach to forming their opinions about football: Reading stats without watching the games.
In your desperate attempt to make a point here, you seem to forget that he took over the reigning champions after round 18 of 30 in the following season, and they were 7th in the league at the time and struggling to produce results. Sorry if that didn't fit your narrative.
Worth mentioning is that there of course also is a lot of factors playing in other than points won, goals scored/allowed and placement on the table (just like here now):
Some 2015 Molde context:
-Three key players left before or during the 2015 season:
Hovland to Rosenborg.
Chukwu had left for adventures in China
Nyland was sold to Germany in the summer.
-Their Ryan Giggs, midfielder boss Daniel Berg Hestad (40 at the time) was fading out.
-Norways flagship in football, Rosenborg, took back their throne that season, won by 12 points and went on to win the next 3 titles as well, looking to regain their position as undisputed #1 in Norway, but Rosenborg has fallen like a rock after a lot of disturbance within the club last season (sacking their manager and assistant midseason after winning everything three seasons in a row, but failing to produce in Europe)and continuing into this season with a the new manager. This left the 2019 title open for grabs, and cudos to Moe (Ole's assistant btw) for taking it, but it would have been another 2nd if Rosenborg didn't go completely kamikaze on themselves. Rosenborg has the money and culture to make tippeligaen a one-team-league, like they did in the 90s and early 00s with 13 straight titles from 1992-2004 in the SAF-esque reign of Nils Arne Eggen and winning half the titles (7) since, but has been struggling to reproduce the results after Eggen resigned due to constantly sacking managers and changing directions (yes, much like us).
- Also worth mentioning is that Ole managed Molde to their 3rd Norwegian cup title in 2013 and took them to Europa Leagues round of 16 once (Which is fantastic for a team worth 10M)
OGS regained Moldes position as the second strongest team in Norway, which under the circumstances were the best he could do (with Rosenborg back on their winningspree)
The 2014 season with Skullerud, where Molde won both the league and cup, was a job well done by him and the players. Unfortunately for him he couldn't replicate it, and the next season started catastrophic and ended with him being sacked after 18 matches, placed 7th.
One more thing: About Ole getting Cardiff relegated. He did and he didn't. They were rockbottom of the table, played crap football and looked doomed before Ole got in there. He didn't save them, that's true, but they were getting relegated no matter who they brought in there. Ole did however leave them in a worse state than he entered, and that's on him. He made some poor signings and struggled to find the right approach on matchdays, and it didn't look like he was getting there either. Do I think he learned from that year in Cardiff? Yes!
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Think a lot of posters would like New Dude
The most fulfilling thing and only way to improve at FIFA and FM is buying players.
The last two games have certainly rattled a fair few posters. They were ready with the pitchforks and were licking their lips at the prospect of two losses. Those games didn't at all go as expected so desperate times call for desperate measures.
Ouch! You‘re right but maybe I misunderstood you because I was talking about that our recruitment process has been poor. That we appointing a ex player who have a questionable CV is a huge gamble and not based on some intelligent strategy from our CEO. He (Ole) could be a future success but that has nothing to do with a proper due diligence, something that is necessary to run a successful business long term.
I especially like that line. Includes stats showing that he's only 'returned' once, and the results then improved - albeit slowly. Concludes that results 'often dip' when he returns to the club.
Clearly this is a dispassionate and unbiased look at his Molde history, with no attempt at all to prove a particular point.
This should replace OP’s post, which is lacking in both thought and execution.
Shame Jose didn't show what a clueless clown Ole is, as some were expecting/hoping.
Impressive CV. I am glad to have him in charge.
Sounds like a breath of fresh air. Personally, I'd look into Another Dude too. Not to mention this dude:
Imagine having that fecker in the dugout, pointing to his wristwatch, Fergie style:
Basing anything on the Norwegian league is pure intellectual dishonesty. This league has a reset button every year and literally anyone can win the league if Rosenborg is having an off season.
Stop looking backwards.
Chelsea are within touching distance, we have a very good chance in Europe and the domestic treble is still on
Chelsea are within touching distance, we have a very good chance in Europe and the domestic treble is still on
Some people need to calm down and leave the OP alone in terms of personal attacks. He's allowed to post his views and I don't think it's unfair to look back and try to understand Ole's career from a longer period of time.
Two great wins don't suddenly make Ole our saviour. We could lose the next 6. So far, he had a phenomenonal period as interim manager, then a terrible period, then a mediocre to bad period and now a very promising upturn. Having long term faith in Ole is admirable but logically the jury is still out.
As for saying OP presented stats out of context, ever consider he posted this in order to explore the bigger picture? He's correct that the Molde record isn't as glowing, on paper, as some people have previously represented it as being. I've seen Norwegian fans here who are split on Ole. I didn't get the impression from the OP that he wasn't open to hearing more about the context behind the league finishes. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Some of you should just be a bit nicer.
Two great wins don't suddenly make Ole our saviour. We could lose the next 6. So far, he had a phenomenonal period as interim manager, then a terrible period, then a mediocre to bad period and now a very promising upturn. Having long term faith in Ole is admirable but logically the jury is still out.
As for saying OP presented stats out of context, ever consider he posted this in order to explore the bigger picture? He's correct that the Molde record isn't as glowing, on paper, as some people have previously represented it as being. I've seen Norwegian fans here who are split on Ole. I didn't get the impression from the OP that he wasn't open to hearing more about the context behind the league finishes. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Some of you should just be a bit nicer.
Can you list the player-turnover for these years as well? You seem to know your way around wikipedia.
Being proven right on an internet forum is more important to a lot of people than how the team actually do. Look at how the post counts on the Ole threads are slowing this week. If people cannot moan and vent their frustration they would rather not post at all - or in the case of this thread they look for a new angle. Its quite sad really. Is this indicative of the modern football fan?
Ole didn't get the job based on his achievements at Molde though - that's the point. He was made permanent based on his results as United interim manager - something that was almost unanimously supported by United fans. There is nothing to be gained by looking at Oles record before this - it wont make any difference to what happens to United from here.
Personal attacks are never warranted - agree with you there.
Is that really what he's doing, though?
Whatever was the intention of the OP, at least there was some very good posts from people who watch Norway league.
No, clearly not. He's just a troll, nothing more, nothing less.
But that's kind of the point. Anyone's managerial history should certainly be considered carefully if chosen to be manager of Manchester United. Same as with players, otherwise we might have signed Amr Zaki a few years back based on a hot streak of scoring for Wigan. Everything needs to be put in its proper context.
There's still a big concern for a lot of us that Ole was appointed on sentiment and on the strength of a hot streak as interim manager on the rebound from a miserable last few months under Mourinho.
For me, this thread has been useful, even though I might not agree with all of the OP's sentiments. It has encouraged those more in the know on Norwegian footy to share more about the issues Ole dealt with at Molde to put his achievements, and occasional struggles, in the proper context. I feel more encouraged as a result.
Most of us deeply care about this club. I personally would love Ole to succeed but I still have doubts. We can't be too reactive on 2 incredible wins just as we shouldn't be reactive in the face of losses to Astana, Newcastle, Bournemouth etc. It's important we try to take a long term view. Factoring in Ole's history, understanding his development as a manager and knowing him better beyond nice guy club legend is important.
Whatever the case, we should all just try to be as decent to each other as possible and remember that it's just football, ultimately.