Ole Sack Watch

Should we replace the manager ?

  • Yes - Its time to make a change

    Votes: 3,004 87.8%

  • No - Give him more time

    Votes: 449 13.1%
  • Total voters
    3,423
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Nytram Shakes said:
So the plan is just keep appointing managers giving them funds and hoping for the best.
For me you take the extra time and do everything you can to make the right appointment. Get a great structure in place so that even if a manager does fail, you have squad and style consistency.

You watch our team even since Mourinhos time at the club it has clearly needed a manager that can train a team to attack as a unit and break down teams as unit. Work with the young players we still just about have and develop them. None of these things are something you would easily associate with Zidanes success at Madrid, so we would be appointing based on the trophies has won rather than what he has demonstrated as his talents as a manager.

The plan by all accounts Mourinho was fired was to have Ole as a temporary manager, and spend the time getting a place Director of Football then a manager who would work with them. So we had a more long term structure incase an individual manager didn’t work out. Of course Ole won a few games and we through that logical plan out the window. Woodward hired Murtough to be the DOF a guy with no experience of the roll who had come in with moyes and so had been here through that period of car crash squad building. And he, Ole and Woodward have left us with a squad of 12 million attackers who can’t function together and no midfield.

What we need to do now is what we should of done then and get some people in place who know how to manage long term squad building, and spend the time getting the right manager to coach the team. Not just sacking who we have and hiring the biggest name available and hoping they do better.
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No. The plan should be like every other top club do. You hire a manager. After first season (if he delivered), you give him few players. And then next season the same. And next and next.
If/when he fails to deliver, you sack him.
Long term is current season in every single top club. There is no rebuilding nonsense, long term nonsense or DNA nonsense.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
No. The plan should be like every other top club do. You hire a manager. After first season (if he delivered), you give him few players. And then next season the same. And next and next.
If/when he fails to deliver, you sack him.
Long term is current season in every single top club. There is no rebuilding nonsense, long term nonsense or DNA nonsense.
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Think he is basically saying first thing they should have done is bring in a qualified DOF to start choosing a manager and then the pair of them recruit players to the style they want to implement. Not one of Woodward's mates. We can all see what is needed, except the actual people running the club.
 
It's fecking incredible that he's still here, seemingly under little pressure too. I knew the board was incompetent but fecking hell they are a shambles. Does make me worry even more about what they might do when they do eventually sack him.
 
saivet said:
It's fecking incredible that he's still here, seemingly under little pressure too. I knew the board was incompetent but fecking hell they are a shambles. Does make me worry even more about what they might do when they do eventually sack him.
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Sure this is all revenge for the protests.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
I'd love to know what the players are thinking...
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Some are praying for his stay because they know that they are fecked when new manager comes.
Some pray for his sacking because they want to win something.
Donny, Sancho and Martial are nervous as we are and they google every 10 seconds "Solskjaer sacked".
 
Compton22 said:
So man utd twitter has taken down that post with Ole's quote on, presumably because of the replies they were getting :lol:
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It was an Instagram post and it is still up.

And anyway the club doesn't care about the content of social media responses, it only cares that there are responses.
 
RedBanker said:
We can never ensure the next person is the right person. If by right person you mean someone who builds an empire ala SAF then that's never going to happen because modern football is too intense for such stories to pan out. No single club will dominate for decades anymore. But if by right person you mean that someone who can win some trophies and make us relevant once again then we should take the risk. Hiring and firing managers is the norm now if clubs want to remain successful. See Madrid, Bayern, Barca, Chelsea etc. Not a single club wants to fade away while chasing improbable scenarios.

I refuse to write off yet another season fearing that things can become worse than they are now. In fact we need the new manager bounce now more than ever. We need to freshen things up, new ideas, new people, new training and tactics. Chelsea went for Tuchel and succeded in salvaging a season which seemed doomed. No reason a new manager can't get something out of the remaining months.
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Your right that is the problem we had Fergie who basically did everything for decades. That will never happen ever again.
what we clearly need now is a structure that can build a team for the long term so that if a manager is replaced or a coach or even a director of football there is some continuity.
What we have been doing since Fergie left is making knee jerk reactions, doing stupid things like hiring LVG a manager who like to play with the ball and bring through young players then hier Mourinho who liked to play without the ball and work with experienced players, give them both 100’s of millions to spend and then hire a manager whi a club legend but no evidence that he was in anyway cut out to manage at this level and give him the job after a new manager bounce. We need to stop being reactionary as it isn’t working we need to sit back and get the next appointment right not just rush out and appoint who ever the biggest name free is.

Yeah it costing us the season would be shit, but we arn’t win much with how imbalanced this squad is, and so just panicking into another rushed appointment just in the effort to save season is likely only to end in us being back in the same situation in a couple of years time , with a few more years and hundreds of millions down the drain
 
Ole is a symptom of the malaise we are in. But let's not kid ourselves here. Yes he should be sacked, absolutely no doubt. But until the Glazers feck off we are absolutely screwed. Theres no magic wand to fix this. It will take a long time to get back to the top. Glazers need to be bold here and employ the right people to do the job, because chancers like Woodward and Arnold are the reason we are completely shite and a laughing stock at the moment. I am not optimistic in the slightest way though.
 
sewey89 said:
This gets peddled a hell of a lot because that’s what happened with Moyes, when it was rumoured to be in his contract, so it made sense financially. We showed with Mourinho that if it’s bad enough, we’re happy to make a change mid season and my god.. it’s bad enough
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It might have happened with Mourinho but I cannot see the same happening with Ole. They have invested so much on Ole and the United DNA, just offered Phelan a new contract and were about to offer the likes of Carrick a new contract as well. All the indications were there that he will be backed no matter what and this is what is happening. They just have no clue what do to next so will continue waiting and hoping things change.
 
roonaldo78 said:
It might have happened with Mourinho but I cannot see the same happening with Ole. They have invested so much on Ole and the United DNA, just offered Phelan a new contract and were about to offer the likes of Carrick a new contract as well. All the indications were there that he will be backed no matter what and this is what is happening. They just have no clue what do to next so will continue waiting and hoping things change.
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I get what you’re saying, but I think their hand will be forced. IF he stays for the Watford game (I’m praying he doesn’t) and we don’t win that, they’d have no choice but to get rid
 
Andycoleno9 said:
No. The plan should be like every other top club do. You hire a manager. After first season (if he delivered), you give him few players. And then next season the same. And next and next.
If/when he fails to deliver, you sack him.
Long term is current season in every single top club. There is no rebuilding nonsense, long term nonsense or DNA nonsense.
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This long term shit is absolute nonsense as demonstrated by both Chelsea and City over the past 11 years. Since 2010 both City and Chelsea have won the Premier league with 3 different managers. Ancelotti, Mourinho, Conte, Mancini, Pellegrini, Guardiola. There's your long term strategy.

Anyway BBCs Simon Stone has wrote a piece suggesting that Ole is going nowhere as long as top 4 is attainable. That's Utd, not bothered about winning the title, top 4 is the goal every season.
 
Widow said:
Scholes face, while he was ranting, was priceless!
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That needs to be a gif. Better yet, a meme. I missed it the first time. Hilarious :lol:

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I guess this is the body's response when you have something to say but really do not want to say it, your mouth swallows itself.
 
I think Ole deserves to be sacked. However, I also think the board is doing the right thing by not rushing into a short-term appointment that would not fit with the club's longer-term strategy. Moreover, Ole clearly hasn't lost the players otherwise he would have been sacked by now.
 
We're pretty much finished as a top club in all honesty.

I never thought we could sink this low.
 
sewey89 said:
I get what you’re saying, but I think their hand will be forced. IF he stays for the Watford game (I’m praying he doesn’t) and we don’t win that, they’d have no choice but to get rid
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We have been saying this almost every game now the last few weeks and it doesn't happen. I think we are stuck with him until the end of the season.
 
Chip said:
Just posted on United's Instagram profile. He's clearly not going anywhere.

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He's so full of it.

"Front foot attacking football". From the man who plays McFred vs. relegation battlers at home.
 
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Just I said after the Liverpool game, they will write this season off. It's amazing, they really don't give shit about the fans.
 
Just need to pray we hear something positive tomorrow then, otherwise he's staying put and probably for the season. I actually think I hate him now, I say that with such regret but everything about him riles me so much...may just give this season a miss if he stays, for my own health.

The players bar his favourites must be really questioning their futures at the club if he is to stay on, I certainly would be if I had ambition greater than just being well paid. Club is a parody.
 
TrueRed79 said:
Ole is a symptom of the malaise we are in. But let's not kid ourselves here. Yes he should be sacked, absolutely no doubt. But until the Glazers feck off we are absolutely screwed. Theres no magic wand to fix this. It will take a long time to get back to the top. Glazers need to be bold here and employ the right people to do the job, because chancers like Woodward and Arnold are the reason we are completely shite and a laughing stock at the moment. I am not optimistic in the slightest way though.
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That's part of the story. The second part is Nepotism FC with some many ex players getting jobs simply for what they are rather because of meritocracy. Whoever buys the club needs a proper clean sweep with people being told to leave the club and to enjoy their retirement as far away from OT as possible.
 
devilish said:
That's part of the story. The second part is Nepotism FC with some many ex players getting jobs simply for what they are rather because of meritocracy. Whoever buys the club needs a proper clean sweep with people being told to leave the club and to enjoy their retirement as far away from OT as possible.
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Who's buying the club?

Doubt the Glazers sell.
 
It's seems there are alot of Premier League clubs with higher expectations of their management team than Manchester United.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
He would not post that if he doesn't have backing from the board. He was well aware of that after the game and madexit ckear that board supports him. Waiting is over. He is staying
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Ole didn't post anything, the social media team posted a quote from the current manager, there's absolutely nothing to see here.

When Mourinho was called into a meeting with Woodward he thought it was a meeting about January transfer targets... He was sacked in said meeting. Norwich manager just did his media interviews this weekend and was sacked an hour later.

My feeling is Ole's staying because I think the usual journos would have an inkling if he was on the edge and if anything they're reporting the opposite. However it's still weekend with an international break coming up, the decision to sack him would likely be made in a board meeting this week with sounding out a potential replacements being done over the next few days to ensure we're not left with no manager, so there's still a decent chance he's gone at some point this week.

We are right to have no faith in our board to make a competent decision, the club is run by complete idiots.
 
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