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I honestly doubt Fergie is 'celebrating' a win over Spurs, give me a break. He never has, why would he start now?
Takes 1 win to impress them and a impossible amount of losses to be fired.
Definition of Stupidity that.
If Ole uses 352 going forward it means his vision for the team completely failed.
He spent hundreds of millions building a team that plays 4 attackers....
Surely the random ‘Irwin’ thrown in is a sure giveaway that the story is a piss take. The amount of people losing their heads in here over a made up tweet
Surely the random ‘Irwin’ thrown in is a sure giveaway that the story is a piss take. The amount of people losing their heads in here over a made up tweet
Think the head losing is more down to the fact Spurs are showing us how a big club should act after a shocking home result
Either way the point still stands. It takes an absurdly bad run for a manager to lose a job but one or two wins and the clock is so often reset!
Takes 1 win to impress them and a impossible amount of losses to be fired.
Definition of Stupidity that.
If Ole uses 352 going forward it means his vision for the team completely failed.
He spent hundreds of millions building a team that plays 4 attackers....
By appointing their 4th manager in 7 months? Go them.
It would drive you to drink...
But your point is based on a lie? We’ve stuck with Ole for whatever reason. Is it that we think he’s the man? Is it that nobody was available who we felt was the right fit? Who knows
I agree with your assessment regarding the formation though. If Ole can’t find a way to get wingers in the team, then we have an issue
Wow that’s some serious optimism. Ole isn’t going anywhere right now, unless we lose big against City. Don’t see him surviving another mauling against our rivals. Pressure would be too much. But that’s the only way he’s leaving. Even a loss against Atalanta and city won’t be enough I think. Has to be a big loss against city or he’s here till the end of the season. The fact is we have enough individually good players to constantly bail him out. So we will never go on a losing run and he will always just do enough. As someone said, it woulda been a harder test against Burnley. Because we can’t play 5 at the back against a team that doesn’t attack us. I hope we beat Atalanta and city. My heart won’t allow me to hope anything else. And equally I can’t stomach losing badly to City either. But at least the pain would come with some relief if it means Ole is released.Everyone who thinks that Ole has been given more time is wrong. He has sealed his fate already. The "let's give him till the int break" stuff is just PR. Did you take a look at his gestures when we scored? This guy is gone. He knows it. He just had instructions to steady the ship until negotiations with a new manager are ongoing.
We cannot exclude the possibilities that there were some clauses added - end the shitefest, bring the points and we will pay you the termination fee and legacy remains almost intact.
Feck up, we will throw you under the bus, you will feck the club with these results and we bin you.
So, we have just bought more time. There is no possibility that he remains as our manager after that season. None.
I was just wondering with whom the negotiations are being held currently? Ten Hag, Rodgers, Conte, Potter?
Conte is in, others are more difficult (Potter the easiest) but IF i were the board, I'd try to bring the whole Ajax trinity (VDS, Overmars, Ten Hag) and lock that down. If Newcastle is able to pull this, then we are still doomed.
That's not actually true, is it? There's no way Fergie is settling for this.
Yeah if only we were just battling City this season. Also, you know when City recover they can go on a huge unbeaten run. We on the other hand….If United beat Atalanta and City (which are both very winnable games), Ole will have the same record as Pep this season: 20 points in the league, 3 wins and 1 loss in the CL, out of the League Cup.
Just goes to show that although the season so far has been under par, it's far from unsalvageable.
Wish I could do this. Get where you’re coming from, but what joy is to be had watching the same old players get trotted out game after game whether they play good or bad? All the while knowing are clueless board are probably letting another brilliant manager slip through their fingers. If I had any faith that these idiots would hire someone great to replace ole maybe I could enjoy it a little more. But I can actually imagine that Ole is going nowhere. Because we don’t appear to act like any other business. We’re a global business, one of the biggest sports brands in the world yet we have don’t strive for excellence and we don’t hold anyone accountable for their jobs. We hire complete novices in multiple positions and let egos rule the roost. Say what you like about Levy but he fired a manager 4 months after picking him. A manager that’s 2 points below ours yet has played most of the top 4. Whereas ours has done next to nothing after having half a billion to spend, 100 million of that he hasn’t even used. It’s inconceivable he would still be in a job in any other business in the world. Except ours because the guy at the top cares more about his ego than the future of the club. We are a shambles from top to bottom. I actually can not believe just how bad we are. Giving ole an extension after doing absolutely nothing and starting the season terribly was just ridiculous. I get these people not having a football brain. But just a brain would be nice.I'm surprised people are still so touchy on both sides. It's well established that he isn't good enough now - evident by the fact that he's spent half a million euros to have us playing with 6 defensive players against one of the worst teams in the league. (on form) He's reverted to damage control, that's never really a good sign - let alone 3 years into his management.
I'm personally just viewing this period as an interim manager, enjoying the results more. A legend at the club just sticking around until we get in a new manager.
I think the writing is on the wall anyway, he'll be gone soon, just try and enjoy the ride while he's here
When conte takes a hold of Spurs and passes us, we’ll see who is laughing. On an 18 month contract no less. So even if it doesn’t work out they can fire him.Least they take action and don't dither around due to a club legend blinding their sentimental board and some fans too
When conte takes a hold of Spurs and passes us, we’ll see who is laughing. On an 18 month contract no less. So even if it doesn’t work out they can fire him.
I'm surprised people are still so touchy on both sides. It's well established that he isn't good enough now - evident by the fact that he's spent half a million euros to have us playing with 6 defensive players against one of the worst teams in the league. (on form) He's reverted to damage control, that's never really a good sign - let alone 3 years into his management.
I'm personally just viewing this period as an interim manager, enjoying the results more. A legend at the club just sticking around until we get in a new manager.
I think the writing is on the wall anyway, he'll be gone soon, just try and enjoy the ride while he's here
sad state of affairs...lets be honest , is there one manager that truly fears ole ... the guy relies on an ipad for ffs
glazers have shown that as long as a yes man is in there , and the match day fans chant his name , he's going nowhere
Wish I could do this. Get where you’re coming from, but what joy is to be had watching the same old players get trotted out game after game whether they play good or bad? All the while knowing are clueless board are probably letting another brilliant manager slip through their fingers. If I had any faith that these idiots would hire someone great to replace ole maybe I could enjoy it a little more. But I can actually imagine that Ole is going nowhere. Because we don’t appear to act like any other business. We’re a global business, one of the biggest sports brands in the world yet we have don’t strive for excellence and we don’t hold anyone accountable for their jobs. We hire complete novices in multiple positions and let egos rule the roost. Say what you like about Levy but he fired a manager 4 months after picking him. A manager that’s 2 points below ours yet has played most of the top 4. Whereas ours has done next to nothing after having half a billion to spend, 100 million of that he hasn’t even used. It’s inconceivable he would still be in a job in any other business in the world. Except ours because the guy at the top cares more about his ego than the future of the club. We are a shambles from top to bottom. I actually can not believe just how bad we are. Giving ole an extension after doing absolutely nothing and starting the season terribly was just ridiculous. I get these people not having a football brain. But just a brain would be nice.
I disagree for two reasons. One, the board isn't decisive. As long as its not a disaster they would prefer the status quo. I wouldn't be shocked if he was given another season if he gets the 4th spot.
Secondly, sometimes a message needs to be sent. As a big club you can't have results like Leceister and Liverpool and be okay with it. You can't allow a manager to continue, that's just lowering the standards of what is permissible. And post SAF we have seen the standard drop. Before its was winning a trophy or a failed season. Now its just top 4.
Same thing with the players. Pogba should have been sold a long time ago to send a message that we only want players who are fully committed. Yet here we are offering him another contract after has publicly embarrassed the club.
Standards matter. And UTD are failing because they have lowered the standard from what they expect from their players, their manager and the club ambitions.
Takes 1 win to impress them and a impossible amount of losses to be fired.
Definition of Stupidity that.
If Ole uses 352 going forward it means his vision for the team completely failed.
He spent hundreds of millions building a team that plays 4 attackers....
Ole “the reaper” solskjaer
I could be wrong and this could just as easily be the board not knowing what the feck to do and panicking, but I just think with Ole they are purely just trying to buy as much time as they can as they determine their approach.
Yeah, what concerns me more is the idea that they do know what they're doing and plan is simply to ride it out. I don't think Ed wants to damage his ego by having to fire Ole and admit he's failed yet again. I think the plan is to simply ride it out and get to the end of the season and see where we finish. Only if we get thrashed by City will they act. I don't think Ole would survive another mauling at the hands of our greatest rivals because the noise from the fans would be too much. Otherwise he will only be fired if 4th isn't possible, as per usual. But really they just want to finish 4th and that's it. There appears to be no succession planning whatsoever. They've spoken to no-one. And if Ole makes 4th he'll be here next season too. I've just lost total faith in the board. Only City can save us now. Which is not to say I want them to beat us. I could never go into a game wanting us to lose. But if someone ever asked when could a loss ever be a win, that would be it.
So many gullible people on here that will believe any tweet.
Agreed. But there's no way we'll be quiet if we got thumped by City like we did Liverpool. That would be it. I'm certain of that. Our biggest problem is not just the real red fans, but the ex players in the media too. Love Gary but boy is he talking some shite these days. We must never ever hire an ex player/legend as our main coach again. It sends all fairness and reasonableness out the window.What noise from the fans we are a bunch of bloody softies compared to Barca, Real, Spurs, Juve
Agreed. But there's no way we'll be quiet if we got thumped by City like we did Liverpool. That would be it. I'm certain of that. Our biggest problem is not just the real red fans, but the ex players in the media too. Love Gary but boy is he talking some shite these days. We must never ever hire an ex player/legend as our main coach again. It sends all fairness and reasonableness out the window.
I look at it from the other side. It’s more testament to how shambolic things seem to be run these days that when you see a story like that you think it could be true.
A divided fan base is probably the most desired situation the glazers wanna see.
I don't think it's that divided, most United fans want Ole gone now except for a tiny section of top reds who'd support Ole even if he relegated us.Yeah and that's exactly what they have now achieved due to having no bottle last week so well done
I don't think it's that divided, most United fans want Ole gone now except for a tiny section of top reds who'd support Ole even if he relegated us.