Thanks.
This is so Wenger-ish.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer | W15 D2 L4
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Thanks.
This is so Wenger-ish.
Thanks.
This is so Wenger-ish.
Yep, you could easily believe both quotes came from the Wenger vs Fergie days.
Ole knows exactly what he's doing there.
Solskjaer from top to bottom is a better manager than Pochettino and is a winner, we need a winner's mentality at the club, just give him the job already!
I love Ole.
I hope to god the pressure doesn’t change him and his outlook on football. Right now he’s the perfect man we never knew we needed.
I hope to god the pressure doesn’t change him and his outlook on football. Right now he’s the perfect man we never knew we needed.
Sign him up, Woody, sign him up.
Not saying that I expect the team to be playing Barca style football right away, but that's the type of controlling game we should be looking for. LvG's ball retention was not bad, it's just that after the success he had with the dutch team playing ultra defensive football at the world cup, he was too scared to let the team do damage with the possession based football we played. He had the attackers in a shackle. As for Maureen, the less said the better.
As for Fergie's teams, there is no way any team that plays like that will succeed at national or international level right now. Look at the power house teams, they all play controlling football. That's the way forward, not cowering on the edge of your penalty area and hoping to beat a team on the fast break.
What's up with opposition fans thinking Ferguson is fully in charge at OT? I find it quite disrespectful to Solskjaer.
There are many teams that are more successful (in terms of trophies) than United over the decades or so. But (other than winning trophies), it's the type of football that have brought United to be the most marketable team (with the most fans) in the whole world. That last Summer Tour display in US was just a disgrace to the empire SAF had built.
The moneymen (Glazers, Woodward) need to not forget this.
I take it as a compliment. Ole is doing so well they think we are as good as we used to be under Fergie. It's denial because in their mind, if Ole is really the boss, then we just got another Fergie. And that's a stuff of nightmare for them.
Thats one way to look at it. I like that. Let them be afraid!
very well said! I like it.
Loser mentality this Poch. It's crazy how he wants to downplay the importance of trophies
Saying top 4 isn't good enough for United is very pleasing to hear and very much something Ferguson would have said. I've been disgusted at how low standards have fallen at this club lately, so it's good to finally have people in charge who get what it means to be associated with United.
Totally agree! We're the best supported and one of the richest teams on the planet- any manager that has aspirations of us being anything other than number one should immediately be dismissed!(Moyes/ Mourinho) Couldn't handle that expectation and tried to bring them down... not Ole!
Tbf, although I detest the man, Mourinho pretty much said the same things in his first two seasons. When things went south it wouldn't have made sense for him to continue talking up our ambitions like that. Ole can do so right now because our awful league position is not his doing.
Top 4 isn't an achievment for a club like ours but from where we were at when he took over it would be a huge achievment for Ole as a coach.
Ole, 8 wins out of 8, making United a proper team again, playing the football we wanted to see, finding the right mix of youth and experience, rotating when possible and still getting the good results.
The whole idea is now on how to take this group of talented youngsters and experienced players and make them true defenders of the club's status as England's most successful team.
With Liverpool probably going on to win it this year, it is absolutely imperative that we get our act together and challenge for the title next year. For all our dominance over the past 20-26 years, we surpass the scousers by just 2 titles.
It is time we look at the bigger picture, we are currently witnessing Ole starting to build the core of the side that will go on and challenge for the next few years. It is quite exciting as most of us I think weren't "really there" when Fergie built the team with the class of 92 so to see a young manager trying to emulate Sir Alex's steps is just brilliant to see. I trust Ole so far and I do hope he will be the next most serving United manager in our club.
The whole idea is now on how to take this group of talented youngsters and experienced players and make them true defenders of the club's status as England's most successful team.
With Liverpool probably going on to win it this year, it is absolutely imperative that we get our act together and challenge for the title next year. For all our dominance over the past 20-26 years, we surpass the scousers by just 2 titles.
It is time we look at the bigger picture, we are currently witnessing Ole starting to build the core of the side that will go on and challenge for the next few years. It is quite exciting as most of us I think weren't "really there" when Fergie built the team with the class of 92 so to see a young manager trying to emulate Sir Alex's steps is just brilliant to see. I trust Ole so far and I do hope he will be the next most serving United manager in our club.
Correct.
There is subtle difference between how Man Utd and Spurs prioritize.
In August every year
1. Man Utd: each trophy is priority
2. Spurs: top 4 in PL
Of course, towards the end of season sometimes you could find yourself in tough spot due to various reasons. Then you need to set your priorities right. Would be foolish if you don't. This season we are in that tough spot. So, I wouldn't mind if the club repiroritize tournaments.
This is stark difference between Man Utd and how Tottenham operates.
We will know pretty much all we will need to know by the time we've played City in March. We've a tough run of games now for any team and Manager so it will be a great indication of Ole's suitability long term. I'm all aboard the Ole train now and I am keeping all my fingers crossed for the next month or so.
Yeah, was not impressed by that statement at all. That big game mentality seems to be lacking on crunch occasions. May be its the Tottenham job he's too much into, or may be the lack of killer instinct in himself when you reach the final hurdle, that has always worried me about pochh, though the conditions at Tottenham do not suit a title winning mentality with injuries and lack of squad depth in quality. Can't blame the manager for missing penalties and simple chances as well.
Pochettino is in a Mourinhoesque situation. He's got a job to do but not been given the money to achieve it. Leads to him deflecting and protecting his own reputation. Unlike Jose though, he's actually done a good job to warrant transfer funds.
Ole is a caretaker manager, free of pressure, on a winning run with players who are rejuvenated. He's doing a great job and saying the right things, but comparing the 2 situations is apples and oranges really.
Fair enough but it becomes a self fulfilling thing. We don't care we are out of the cups. Players care just a tiny bit less and those are the margins at that level. I don't pretend to say I have the answer to how to go about it but that acceptance of defeat leads to more defeats imo.
Yeah, he’s a moron and doesn’t seem to have grown out of it. I was wrong by the way, it wasn’t ‘the Daddy’ it was ‘The Gov’nor’ he wanted to be known as.
Thanks, btw.
Oh, don't remind me....
That failure to go the final mile and close is what saw them fail to capitalize and win the league over Leicester - one team was playing to win, the other was playing with a mentality of "oh if we win, itd be nice, but if not, no biggies. Progress"
How is Ole free of pressure? If United had been slapped by Spurs and/or Arsenal, or even if he'd have come in and gotten dissapointing results against other teams, right now many of us (myself included most likely) would be moaning about getting shot of Mourinho for a caretaker who couldn't hack it.
Anyone who sits in the manager's hot seat at Old Trafford has to deal with pressure. Its Pochettino's prickly reaction to even gentle media scrutiny that makes you worry he hasn't got what it takes to do that.
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I knew about Gov'nor, but had no idea he had a rifle in his gym bag. Still
I think Poch is just laying the foundations for his departure this summer. Making sure all his reasons for moving to a more ambitious club are out in the open and hard to argue with.
Yep. I'm not saying he is flawless, but give the guy a big club and some money and see if he still chats shit about trophies. Think deep down he is angry and frustrated at not being able to win, and wants a platform to achieve it.
And I'm not even a big Poch fan by the way. I'm open to him managing United but I also have concerns about his record in Europe barring last season -- they barely squeaked past group stages of CL this season courtesy of an Inter bottlejob.
Anytime I read this thread, I get the urge to change my poll vote to Eboue
"That’s not the dream though - to be top four," Solskjaer stressed. "We’re Man United, you should always aim to win the league. We can’t do that this year but we’ve just got to look forward to that again because we have to get back to that."
Oh wow what a difference that makes to Moyes saying city are the level we are aspiring to and that Liverpool are favourites along with Jose saying us losing to Seville was part of our football heritage or something similarly awful, sure he alluded to Liverpool being on a level above us prior to his final game with us almost like Moyes said. I can't find the exact interview but compare all what Ole has said so far to the following
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...test-news-odds-prediction-watch-a8688751.html
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/gallery/david-moyes-in-quotes-7014000
Yes you could potentially look at Pochettino and his comments as someone who has been in their job a while and gets cynical compared to someone who is having what is technically an interview but Ole has just said all the right things so far.
I believe you should try and challenge for every trophy available to you- the FA cup and league cup were probably Tottenham's best chance of silverware, yes you could argue even Moyes won the charity shield but it still gave a good feeling for the fans at the time. Why do you think we won the treble with Sir Alex- because he wanted to win trophies .
Unfortunately due to where we have been manager wise the last few years top 4 has become an achievement which is nowhere near where we should be yes we've been spoilt with Sir Alex but we need to be back challenging for the league, you could argue City have an exceptional team at the moment but we should be pressing them all the way.
Interestingly I asked a Liverpool fan if they would be annoyed at Klopp technically sacrificing the FA cup IF they don't win the league- their answer was no they won't the only thing that would make them criticise him is not making top 4. If I'd supported that Liverpool team this season i would be disappointed at coming out of it trophyless. Unfortunately it'll probably be irrelevant as they will win at least the league () but I'd be disappointed at sacrificing the FA cup especially at the risk of ending the season without trophies.
It says everything when rival fans are disappointed you no longer have a manager e.g. Moyes/ Mourinho
Oh wow what a difference that makes to Moyes saying city are the level we are aspiring to and that Liverpool are favourites along with Jose saying us losing to Seville was part of our football heritage or something similarly awful, sure he alluded to Liverpool being on a level above us prior to his final game with us almost like Moyes said. I can't find the exact interview but compare all what Ole has said so far to the following
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...test-news-odds-prediction-watch-a8688751.html
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/gallery/david-moyes-in-quotes-7014000
Yes you could potentially look at Pochettino and his comments as someone who has been in their job a while and gets cynical compared to someone who is having what is technically an interview but Ole has just said all the right things so far.
I believe you should try and challenge for every trophy available to you- the FA cup and league cup were probably Tottenham's best chance of silverware, yes you could argue even Moyes won the charity shield but it still gave a good feeling for the fans at the time. Why do you think we won the treble with Sir Alex- because he wanted to win trophies .
Unfortunately due to where we have been manager wise the last few years top 4 has become an achievement which is nowhere near where we should be yes we've been spoilt with Sir Alex but we need to be back challenging for the league, you could argue City have an exceptional team at the moment but we should be pressing them all the way.
Interestingly I asked a Liverpool fan if they would be annoyed at Klopp technically sacrificing the FA cup IF they don't win the league- their answer was no they won't the only thing that would make them criticise him is not making top 4. If I'd supported that Liverpool team this season i would be disappointed at coming out of it trophyless. Unfortunately it'll probably be irrelevant as they will win at least the league (
) but I'd be disappointed at sacrificing the FA cup especially at the risk of ending the season without trophies.It says everything when rival fans are disappointed you no longer have a manager e.g. Moyes/ Mourinho
Some interesting facts.When we were 2-1 up away to Chelsea under Jose, with time running out Jose took two attackers off and brought on 2 defenders, the mentality was clearly to hold on for a 2-1 win.We drew 2-2.
When we were under the cosh away to Arsenal last week Ole brought on Martial & Rashford , two attackers.We went from winning 2-1 to winning comfortably by 3-1. Which mentality would you prefer in your manager? I know which one I like, it's Ole's.
Also since we have adopted Jose's more attacking game plan our goals conceded stats have improved hugely, I think its gone from over a goal game to .5 of a goal per game? Furthermore we have yet to be behind under OGS while it was the norm for us to lose the first goal under Jose.
Food for thought.
When we were under the cosh away to Arsenal last week Ole brought on Martial & Rashford , two attackers.We went from winning 2-1 to winning comfortably by 3-1. Which mentality would you prefer in your manager? I know which one I like, it's Ole's.
Also since we have adopted Jose's more attacking game plan our goals conceded stats have improved hugely, I think its gone from over a goal game to .5 of a goal per game? Furthermore we have yet to be behind under OGS while it was the norm for us to lose the first goal under Jose.
Food for thought.
Without tempting fate, Unless I’m wrong, a win over Burnley tonight would be the 1st time we have won 7 Premier League games in a row since Jan-March 2013 almost 6 years. We’ve done 6 a few times but not 7.
What an achievement it would be!
What an achievement it would be!
Have you heard of the concept of a jinx? If we don't win tonight, I putting all the blame squarely on you.
I'm scared after taking a look at our fixture list. I hope to god that he gets the job done.
It'll also be the first time in PL history that a manager has won their first 7 league games. Current record is 6 held by Pep, Mourinho, Ancelotti and our very own Ole.
Fecking awful from Ole to change the team tonight against a side in good form with an unbeaten record at OT since their promotion. Fecking awful
Well we were wondering when his first test would come, here it is! Let's see how he reacts after a defeat at OT