The football under both those 2 were dross pal, seems memories fade when angry about another guy and less we forget this season is Ole’s first real chance to win a trophy unless you expected him to win the champions league last year?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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The football under both those 2 were dross pal, seems memories fade when angry about another guy and less we forget this season is Ole’s first real chance to win a trophy unless you expected him to win the champions league last year?
Either that or maybe an SPL club if he's lucky. It's clear he's not cut out for Premier League management as shown by his time here and at Cardiff.
At least Southgate has a style of play and seems to actually be able to coach, albeit a little tactically naive at times. We've set the bar low so there are many managers out there that would be an improvement on OGS at the minute.
LVG was pretty good in the World Cup with style of football then came to old Trafford and served shit on a stick so I wouldn’t bank on that pal.
Football under those two even in their last days were better than under Ole. But ok, lets stick with failed Cardiff manager. I mean; what can go wrong there?
Some of our most memorable victories since Fergie quit have been under Ole. Also the only one in the premiership that has stopped the Liverpool juggernaut so he seems to have something.
I actually think Southgate would win silverware with Utd - maybe not the PL / CL, but a few cups.
I reckon the England experience would see him handle the pressure at United a lot better than some might do.
He also has a lovely waistcoat vibe going on, which is nice.
No it wasn’t, don’t you remember all those 0-0s under LVG where players weren’t allowed to shoot without a first touch, or Jose and his Fellaini tactics.
There is no point in changing manager. Unted Should just have stuck with the manager before Saf and pool with rodgers.
The problem has been the many infamous defeats and draws we've had to endure under his tenure which have overshadowed the positives.
I can agree and understand with all the ole hating comments, but boring football is not one of them.
Seriously, LVG and Mourinho's football is the worse thing ever happened to this club.
At least when we're winning with Ole, there were some great slick attacking combination played.
Well, if Ole allegedly arent to be judged until he has bought 5 or 6 players more, I guess we at least will have a young, promising team for whoever is coming next - and not a bunch of 30 year old has-beens.
I still think he will get sacked at the end of the season if we dont get any trophies or CL spot.
I still think he will get sacked at the end of the season if we dont get any trophies or CL spot.
It’s going to happen with a very young team, could have continued with the Jose of method of over the hill players on silly contracts so he could win another trophy or 2 to add to his CV but where then after he walks off into the sunset.
I can at least at see a strategy from Ole under difficult circumstances that Jose wasn’t prepared to contend with or any of these superstar managers desperately waiting in the wings apparently.
Jesus christ. Go to bed
fergiesarmy1 genuinely its just head buried in the sand stuff, dear me. Name doesn't surprise me though, obviously yearning for the days gone by that will never return.
Absolute ardent Ole's number 1 fan, please oh please in all your wisdom explain to me why Ole should be kept on, other than the fact he used to play for us. You literally reply to every message defending his honour for virtually no reason.
Absolute ardent Ole's number 1 fan, please oh please in all your wisdom explain to me why Ole should be kept on, other than the fact he used to play for us. You literally reply to every message defending his honour for virtually no reason.
It's not just a question of picking any manager with experience. It's about picking the right manager with experience. Both the appointment of LVG and José was met with speticism because of the lack of cohesion between player material and the two managers tactical preferences in prior jobs, which in addition clashed with the classic United way of playing. Furthermore, those two were completely different managers tactically which only contributed to the aforementioned problems.
Right now Poch is available, and with a few investments I think our squad could fit his way of playing in a relatively short space of time.
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Possibly. Just dont like the guy though, nice guy Gareth, snidey fecker got Keane sent off.
I still don’t get the obsession with Poch from so many on here.
Sorry for defending a united manager on a united forum, if it offends you so much just block me but I don’t post that often in an Ole thread I’m usually in a Pogba one
You may not have noticed while losing your head over Ole but we still have a good chance of having a decent season in Ole’s first full season.
Only one that has had to come in the middle of a season by the way since Sir Alex back in 86 and take over after Jose had clearly thrown the towel in even before last season started leaving a squad in disarray.
One thing you can’t throw at Ole one fecking bit is that there is no dissent in this squad and that isn’t easy so he’s doing that thing called man management right at the very least.
. You are talking about that? Really? You defend a coach who has awful results, no progress in general play at all and whos CV is 1-7 places in Norway and embarrassment in CardiffOle's football is better than Mourinho's and LVG's. Think a lot of people have forgotten how ugly it was.
It's still not good enough, but it has improved in my opinion.
Yeah I wonder why folk want Poch over our current manager with a 34% win rate. Truly baffling.
Yes but I still see signs of progress, if we are gonna sack him which I can see is now the consensus please tell me Poch isnt the only answer all you geniuses have come up with?
What’s the win rate of lampard, arteta and Jose?
I think Poch is a really good manager.
If he’s have done here what he did at Tottenham you would have all wanted him sacked this year.
If he’s have done here what he did at Tottenham you would have all wanted him sacked this year.
People calling me baffling and delusional but saying the football was better under those 2 dinosaurs, glad I’m not on my own on this
It was mostly meant as an example of a better fit with the squad we have today, than the fit between respectively LVG and José and the squads they inherited.
I don't have much insight in other potentially available options and how they would fit.
more pertinently, in the premier league across the same time frame using the same criteria, Poch’s win rate is a lot lower
Yeah, finding better manager than Ole will be tricky....
Only in PL you have 19 managers better than him
How many times will you have to read this point you’ve just made being ripped to shreds before you stop trying to make it?
They won trophies they qualified for CLs and had win %s above 50 compared to Ole who’s record makes even Moyes look like a towering success here.
“Two high level managers didnt win us a title therefore we must only hire incompetent no marks from now on because reasons”
Yeah, finding better manager than Ole will be tricky....
Only in PL you have 19 managers better than him
Well 4 based on the statistics you were using earlier
Sorry for defending a united manager on a united forum, if it offends you so much just block me but I don’t post that often in an Ole thread I’m usually in a Pogba one
You may not have noticed while losing your head over Ole but we still have a good chance of having a decent season in Ole’s first full season.
Only one that has had to come in the middle of a season by the way since Sir Alex back in 86 and take over after Jose had clearly thrown the towel in even before last season started leaving a squad in disarray.
One thing you can’t throw at Ole one fecking bit is that there is no dissent in this squad and that isn’t easy so he’s doing that thing called man management right at the very least.
It doesn't "offend" me, it's just that your defense has absolutely no basis in a reality that matters, you wanna talk about culture change and invisible crap behind the scenes that you cannot prove and you have absolutely zero evidence for since he's been here, where as I focus on what is happening on the pitch and so forth, you know actual evidence that you can see. So, why should I defend a manager that has, what is it now, like a 33% win rate? Before you climb on the whole "but but time but but transfers and players!" yeah see this is what I DON'T get from anybody that is Ole in, i must ask the question of anybody on this forum actually.
Regardless of the squad we have right, which is not a bad squad, it isn't great by any means, but it is okay, why are we the only football team that has to give managers about 3 seasons worth of time and 6 transfer windows before we see ANYTHING that made it remotely worth it on the pitch, why is it other managers can come into other clubs, regardless of the squad and with no players that they themselves bought, and are able to implement their ideas and way of thinking onto the pitch, like into something you can actually physically see their team doing, do results go their way straight away? No, but they earned that multiple seasons of time and multiple transfer windows because you can actually SEE what is being implemented on the pitch. Not a damn person in the world can see what we are doing on the pitch except for die hard Ole in fans who seemingly make it up stuff in their head in order to defend the man.
I am an ardent supporter of Manchester United, not Ole Gunnar Solskjaer the manager, i'll support a manager if he is worthy of the support, and he isn't the right man for this job, rival fans want him to stay on for the longest time, no other club with any kind of ambition was ever going to hire him before we had him and they certainly won't after, I genuinely have no idea what goes through the heads of anybody massively pro Ole in when he's done nothing to deserve it, except of course, be an ex player for us, but we aren't talking about the player, we're talking about the manager and for all intents and purposes his managing career has been abysmal and it isn't going to change here at United, all evidence points to this and all your hoping and dreaming that he might become good won't change that at all.
What are you talking about, you realise this is Ole’s first full season and he has two chance of champions league qualification open still plus 2 trophies (3 statistically but we all know that’s unlikely to turn around)
Answer me this please you obnoxious ...., what is win rate of every other manager this season bar the top 2?
. Touchè.Time will tell
Ok, lets say that we have hired some random manager from division one or championship instead of Ole. Would you still think like this? "Needs time" and other shit?
Obviously none of us lot get to choose the chosen one but I’d give them more than 13 months unless it was a complete disaster but let’s not kid ourselves UNITED fans have been calling for his sack after about 5 months which is sad.
5th place is about where you would expect this squad to be. The clubs above us have a better first 11 and squad (especially considering the injuries we have had this season.) The manger is not the problem, he has not been given nearly enough time or nearly enough money.
When you add 140m worth of transfers to a team that finished sixth you don't expect to finish 5th. Leicester and Chelsea dont have better squads than us plus Chelsea had a transfer ban last summer. Also the squad is the manager fault as are the injuries. We needed reinforcement in the midfield ole decided to spend all his budget on defense. The manager certainly is the problem. So is woodward. They are both way out of their depth.
You realise we are closer to 14th than 4th and only 11 points from the relegation zone right
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