Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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For the older ones 40+ I guess. I remember the early years with SAF but I was too young to really know what I was watching, were we this clueless and devoid of any ideas back then? Or was it more a case of us having a clear direction but it wasn't working as planned at the beginning?

I want to have faith in Ole but he really does look like he has no idea what hes doing an awful lot of the time.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Yep. We sack managers when have to rather than when we need to. One could argue that it's a matter of principal of giving the individual every chance to make it work. But I think you have be intelligent and assured in your decision making rather than rely on emotion, the narrative, random concept of morality etc
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100% this crusade to act like we're "not a sacking club" actually hurts the club. The media narrative around United managers performance is completely different to any other club.

There's a famous phrase - more money is lost through indecision than the wrong decision. That is something our board should bear in mind, bad decisions happen to everyond the key is acting decisively to address it. We're bobbing along in mediocrity at the moment and it should be unacceptable for a club of our stature and aspirations.
 
we need to be our best to have a chance against Norwich.

Norwich.

and people used to give Moyes shit for aspiring to be like City.
 
stepic said:
we need to be our best to have a chance against Norwich.

Norwich.

and people used to give Moyes shit for aspiring to be like City.
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Its a low ebb. Even if he is thinking like this he needs to keep it to himself FFS
 
Like I said, Woodward is the best CEO in world football and deserves some kind of recognition for what he's achieved recently.

He has successfully forced a large section of our fanbase to accept statements like "we need to be at our best to beat Norwich" whereas 6yrs ago, Moyes was crucified by the entire fanbase for making similar statements about TOP SIDES like Man City.

He has successfully convinced a large section of our fanbase that 'enjoying watching football' isn't a given and should be a privilege.

He has successfully convinced a large section of our fanbase that struggling to beat relegation sides, League Two nobodies and teams from Serbia and Kazakhstan while being outplayed regularly is not a problem and is in fact a positive sign.

He has successfully convinced a large section of our fanbase that no other manager in world football would have the vision to plan for the future by signing younger, hungrier players. That no other manager would have this team doing ANY BETTER than 14th place in the league with the statistics to back up that standing.

Ed Woodward = The Greatest of All Time.

I'm no longer angry at him, I'm past that. I now admire him in a bizarre way. He is fantastic at what he does, it's impressive to behold.
 
18 months ago we didn't like the fact we're second with a very big gap of points away from City and wanted a title challenge. Now we're 14th in the table and hoping to be able to stop Norwich. Standards took a nose dive thanks to Ole being at the wheel.
 
el3mel said:
18 months ago we didn't like the fact we're second with a very big gap of points away from City and wanted a title challenge. Now we're 14th in the table and hoping to be able to stop Norwich. Standards took a nose dive thanks to Ole being at the wheel.
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It looks like Oles driving on a fake license
 
To be fair Norwich did beat City at home, if he means stop their attack I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Yep. We sack managers when have to rather than when we need to. One could argue that it's a matter of principal of giving the individual every chance to make it work. But I think you have be intelligent and assured in your decision making rather than rely on emotion, the narrative, random concept of morality etc
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This is the problem when you don't have deep knowledge of the game at executive level. They have kept managers far beyond their shelf life when results have shown that the situation isn't retrievable. This has caused significant damage to our prospects for the following season and no doubt cost us in the market. Then they go on to appoint another wrong guy to replace the wrong guy they fired. Perfect manual for descent into midtable and football oblivion.
 
I've heard all managers say things like Ole said, as anyone can beat anyone, like Norwich proved against City, hardly anything to get bent out of shape over.

What Moyes said about aspiring to be like City is much worse
 
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2mufc0 said:
To be fair Norwich did beat City at home, if he means stop their attack I don't see anything wrong with that.
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You don't see anything wrong with hoping to stop Norwich?

OK now let me ask you, can you imagine Klopp/Pep even fecking Brendan Rogers hoping to stop Norwich?

For me it tells me everything about where he is in his mind right now.
 
mav_9me said:
You don't see anything wrong with hoping to stop Norwich?

OK now let me ask you, can you imagine Klopp/Pep even fecking Brendan Rogers hoping to stop Norwich?

For me it tells me everything about where he is in his mind right now.
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Well Pep did fail....
 
starman said:
I've heard all managers say things like Ole said, as anyone can beat anyone, like Norwich proved against City, hardly anything to get bent out of shape over.

What Moyes said about inspiring to be like City is much worse
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Usually there's a team that assumes to be favourites, which is not the case. Most top club managers do say something like "We have to be at our best to beat them" like Ole said, but they also assume to be the favourites so the players can feel the responsibility to assume that every game is a game to win at this club.

Look at Porto's manager: their team lost several key players at the end of the season and is having some troubles rebuilding their core this season, but their manager while saying similar things as Ole, he also adds that "The culture of this club is a victory culture. A draw is seen as a bad as a defeat here!", etc.

If the players can't hold pressure and responsibility, then they are in the wrong club or job.
 
Ole, thank you for lifting the club after Mourinho left and playing some decent football and thank you for that night in Paris. But please, do the honourable thing and go.
 
Time to get Allegri in for the reminder of the season. United way this, united way that, bla bla bla. The man is clueless.

We have not made any progress at all, but this season is not over yet. We need to make a management change now!

Only way I would allow Ole to continue is if he can lure Håland here in january. After that he can go. Great player, great guy but a joke of a manager.
 
Bunch of drama queens on here. When Moyes was speaking we were still the champions. Context has to be taken into consideration. Now we're 14th and we've had a ridiculous injury list... it would be arrogance to suggest that we're sure to beat anyone right now. Liverpool were sure to beat us last week, Solskjaer doesn't want these players to think for a second that "this is only Norwich".
 
Decomposing In Paris said:
Bunch of drama queens on here. When Moyes was speaking we were still the champions. Context has to be taken into consideration. Now we're 14th and we've had a ridiculous injury list... it would be arrogance to suggest that we're sure to beat anyone right now. Liverpool were sure to beat us last week, Solskjaer doesn't want these players to think for a second that "this is only Norwich".
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Also he's not going to come out and say we are going to smash them, even Klopp and Pep don't do that.
 
Leroy The Red said:
Yeah it’s mad as he doesn’t even speak English yet he’s managed to turn Leeds from set piece, long ball merchants under Gary Monk to a team who press relentlessly, dominate possession and create a mass of chances every game. All done whilst more or less signing fecking no one. It really does open your eyes to the fact a very good coach with a team of good coaches can get a team functioning as a unit. You don’t need 11 iniestas or twenty five transfer windows to do it.
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I should not get dragged into this mire of so called 'supporters' posting here,

Some of the stuff that is being spouted is complete ollocks, and the manner of supporting their arguments is even more ollocks.

Really, you are comparing a person who has been involved in top level management for a few decades to someone who has just stepped into this malarky in the last few years, really ???

I am guessing that the majority of the whiners on this board have never played football competitively, have never been part of any team sport and whose only experience with such things is through some digital medium aka 'Championship Manager'.

The complete lack of understanding in what goes into a team sport, which is clearly obvious, because only such people could have expectations that a team that is made up of misfits, kids and continuous injuries to the more established members of the squad is supposedly meant to be playing as a world class team in the space of a few months.

Football and team sports in general do not work this way!

To make matters worse, we have pundits who have played the game and should know better, but they need to play to the cameras, instead of telling it how it is.

You cannot build a team if every few years you are chopping and changing.

You cannot build a team if you cant choose the same/similar personal for a extended period of time.

Football is a game of many skills and details, but a good team without confidence is an average team and visa versus an average team with confidence can become a great team.

All the negative crap coming out of the majority of people posting in threads such as this tells me a few things,

1/ You must lead miserable lives if the only things you can spout are negative things about a team you 'support'
2/ Because of the miserable lives you are living, you are using Manchester United as your scape goat.
3/ All this negative energy you are directing at our team does not just vanish, meaning you are also responsible for the lack of confidence that is prevalent at our club.

Sorry, but I had enough of all you whiners with your misdirected agendas, find something better to do, its ok having an opinion, but you are all living in dream/cookoo land with your false expectations.
 
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Decomposing In Paris said:
Bunch of drama queens on here. When Moyes was speaking we were still the champions. Context has to be taken into consideration. Now we're 14th and we've had a ridiculous injury list... it would be arrogance to suggest that we're sure to beat anyone right now. Liverpool were sure to beat us last week, Solskjaer doesn't want these players to think for a second that "this is only Norwich".
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He's the one who has overseen this dramatic fall and wasn't he supposed get the squad fitter, whatever he is doing is clearly not working off the field either.
 
matsdf said:
I'm not "completely fine" with how things are at the moment, but I'm happy to stick by the manager because at least for me, it's easy to see he has a long term vision. He has cleared out much of the dross, and has brought in very exciting talent.
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Has he?

Maguire and AWB are both very good defenders, but it’s hard to see how they contribute anything exciting. They’d have been perfect for a Jose team.

James is exciting all right. I just hope his all action style doesn’t lead to lots of injuries.
We've also been drenched with injuries, both at the end of last season, and the start of this season. Our football will probably be bad this season, but it will pick up as soon as everyone is back.
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I see this a lot. Is it not more likely that as injured players return, others will get injured in their place? Or is there a plan to buy a whole new legion of squad players as cover, to replace the squad players who are apparently dross?
 
imamuppet said:
I should not get dragged into this mire of so called 'supporters' posting here,

Some of the stuff that is being spouted is complete ollocks, and the manner of supporting their arguments is even more ollocks.

Really, you are comparing a person who has been involved in top level management for a few decades to someone who has just stepped into this malarky in the last few years, really ???

I am guessing that the majority of the whiners on this board have never played football competitively, have never been part of any team sport and whose only experience with such things is through some digital medium aka 'Championship Manager'.

The complete lack of understanding in what goes into a team sport, which is clearly obvious, because only such people could have expectations that a team that is made up of misfits, kids and continuous injuries to the more established members of the squad is supposedly meant to be playing as a world class team in the space of a few months.

Football and team sports in general do not work in this way!

To make matters worse, we have pundits who have played the game and should know better, but they need to play to the cameras, instead of telling it how it is.

You cannot build a team if every few years you are chopping and changing.

You cannot build a team if you cant choose the same/similar personal for a extended period of time.

Football is a game of many skills and details, but a good team without confidence is an average team and visa versus an average team with confidence can become a great team.

All the negative crap coming out of the majority of people posting in threads such as this tells me a few things,

1/ You must lead miserable lives if the only things you can spout are negative things about a team you 'support'
2/ Because of the miserable lives you are living, you are using Manchester United as your scape goat.
3/ All this negative energy you are directing at our team does not just vanish, meaning you are also responsible for the lack of confidence that is prevalent at our club.

Sorry, but I had enough of all you whiners with your misdirected agendas, find something better to do, its ok having an opinion, but you are all living in dream/cookoo land with your false expectations.
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Best thing I’ve read on here for ages and agree 110%
 
How can people use injuries as an excuse? We have been crap when we have had Martial and Pogba fit. Let us not ignore the end of last season where the whole team was fit and we still got awful results and performances. Cardiff loss, Huddersfield draw, spanked by Everton etc.

We also lost against Crystal Palace with Pogba and Martial in the team this season.

Solskjaer is a terrible manager, plain and simple. This team should not be in 14th position. He has this team underperforming. Do I think it is good enough for top four? No, but it should be in the top half of the table, at least. It should be good enough to beat Newcastle, even without Pogba and Martial.

We have just been dominated by Partisan, who are a crap team. We needed a penalty to win against them. We have struggled against terrible opposition in the Europa League. How on earth are people still backing him?

We have also gone incredibly defensive. We were playing 3 centre backs against Partisan.
 
Untd55 said:
How can people use injuries as an excuse? We have been crap when we have had Martial and Pogba fit. Let us not ignore the end of last season where the whole team was fit and we still got awful results and performances. Cardiff loss, Huddersfield draw, spanked by Everton etc.

We also lost against Crystal Palace with Pogba and Martial in the team this season.

Solskjaer is a terrible manager, plain and simple. This team should not be in 14th position. He has this team underperforming. Do I think it is good enough for top four? No, but it should be in the top half of the table, at least. It should be good enough to beat Newcastle, even without Pogba and Martial.

We have just been dominated by Partisan, who are a crap team. We have struggled against terrible opposition in the Europa League. How on earth are people still backing him?

We have also gone incredibly defensive. We were playing 3 centre backs against Partisan.
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The big injury at the end of last season was Herrera, because the midfield stopped functioning without him and he has not been replace so still isn't functioning.
 
VP89 said:
Just need him to cause a sexist stir like when Moyes said a female interviewer would get a slap :drool:

Oh wait
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He's more or less done everything Moyes has done and surpassed his depths.

  • Ole took these group of players down to the cliff training ground to remind them how he use to train in the good ol days,(which ironically is exactly where we're now heading - to the edge of a cliff) which is similar to Moyes showing Vidic and Rio old training videos of his everton defenders which left the team bemused
  • Both looked clueless on the touchline and even taken on the look of sheer terror with his eyes bulging out of his skull like he doesn't know what to do
  • Has lowered expectations with nonsense about ''On certain days you're lucky and you win games and sometimes you lose games.''
  • He's gone to penalties against non league fodder Rochdale which was remininest of Moyes vs Sunderland in the league cup when we went to penalties
  • Has made it so that crosses are our bread and butter method of play.
  • Now he's had his let's make it difficult for newcastle with the we have to be at our best to stand a chance against Norwich
All that's left is for him to come out and say ''I don't know what we have to do to win'' and he can then take the mask off to reveal Moyes' face

Besides that, I would love if the Ole in boys would answer if City where wrong to let go of Stuart Pierce when he took over as caretaker manager. He was one of the big legends, big heart and everything about him epitomized passion. ''He got City'', ''knew the club'' as the sentimentalists would say

In his first half season in charge after taking over from Keegan, he was a point away from Uefa qualificatio, finishing in the top end of the table. He was subsequently hyped up to be the next England manager. City's fans loved him, the media loved him and England loved him. The following season they were toothless resulting in having the worst attack at home scoring only 10 goals all season and ended up around 14th before the owners decided to pull the plug.

Now did they make a mistake? Did he deserve more time? Where City and their fanbase impatient, spoilt, short sighted and ignorant for failling to see his plan?

I ask because his reign parallels that of oles and surely no one in their right mind would say there were no better managers that could have improved on what Stuart Pearce was doing to City, which is the argument for Ole remaining

The other main arguments I have heard for why Ole should continue is that he signed players and released some players, which is the very basics of what any manager should be doing.

He shouldn't be praised if as if did something miraculous that could never be done.

A boss/manager/consultants walks into new companies every day across this country and hire and dismiss staff. It's rudimentary aspect to their responsibly. If after hiring the new staff are doing good but the rest of the organization falls apart, the executive director isn't going to say ''well lets wait until the shop floor manager is allowed to bring more of his own staff in, even when the whole place is losing sales, workplace performance is at all time low and complaints from customers flood in.

Ultimately the manager is going to have to take the brunt of the blame eventually leading to dismissal and replaced.
 
Ancient Of Days said:
He's more or less done everything Moyes has done and surpassed his depths.

  • Ole took these group of players down to the cliff training ground to remind them how he use to train in the good ol days,(which ironically is exactly where we're now heading - to the edge of a cliff) which is similar to Moyes showing Vidic and Rio old training videos of his everton defenders which left the team bemused
  • Both looked clueless on the touchline and even taken on the look of sheer terror with his eyes bulging out of his skull like he doesn't know what to do
  • Has lowered expectations with nonsense about ''On certain days you're lucky and you win games and sometimes you lose games.''
  • He's gone to penalties against non league fodder Rochdale which was remininest of Moyes vs Sunderland in the league cup when we went to penalties
  • Has made it so that crosses are our bread and butter method of play.
  • Now he's had his let's make it difficult for newcastle with the we have to be at our best to stand a chance against Norwich
All that's left is for him to come out and say ''I don't know what we have to do to win'' and he can then take the mask off to reveal Moyes' face

Besides that, I would love if the Ole in boys would answer if City where wrong to let go of Stuart Pierce when he took over as caretaker manager. He was one of the big legends, big heart and everything about him epitomized passion. ''He got City'', ''knew the club'' as the sentimentalists would say

In his first half season in charge after taking over from Keegan, he was a point away from Uefa qualificatio, finishing in the top end of the table. He was subsequently hyped up to be the next England manager. City's fans loved him, the media loved him and England loved him. The following season they were toothless resulting in having the worst attack at home scoring only 10 goals all season and ended up around 14th before the owners decided to pull the plug.

Now did they make a mistake? Did he deserve more time? Where City and their fanbase impatient, spoilt, short sighted and ignorant for failling to see his plan?

I ask because his reign parallels that of oles and surely no one in their right mind would say there were no better managers that could have improved on what Stuart Pearce was doing to City, which is the argument for Ole remaining

The other main arguments I have heard for why Ole should continue is that he signed players and released some players, which is the very basics of what any manager should be doing.

He shouldn't be praised if as if did something miraculous that could never be done.

A boss/manager/consultants walks into new companies every day across this country and hire and dismiss staff. It's rudimentary aspect to their responsibly. If after hiring the new staff are doing good but the rest of the organization falls apart, the executive director isn't going to say ''well lets wait until the shop floor manager is allowed to bring more of his own staff in, even when the whole place is losing sales, workplace performance is at all time low and complaints from customers flood in.

Ultimately the manager is going to have to take the brunt of the blame eventually leading to dismissal and replaced.
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It might have been a good idea if he had reminded his lads to make it difficult for Newcastle first.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
The big injury at the end of last season was Herrera, because the midfield stopped functioning without him and he has not been replace so still isn't functioning.
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Yet Ole said he made all the decisions in the summer so not replacing Herrera is on him and so is keeping the clearly past it Matic and Mata plus the never-good enough-in the 1st place Rojo. The make up of this squad is his construct so for his supporters to turn around and blame the players is hypocritical imo.
 
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