Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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432JuanMata said:
While it won’t happen but a lose to Liverpool(which is likely) and other results going wrong and we can be 18th
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Which will still only have us 8 points off top 4, with 4 of our next 5 games being against clubs below us in the table and the one club above us being Bournemouth. If we can get our players back from injury by the time the internationals are over we have an opportunity to start turning things around.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Which will still only have us 8 points off top 4, with 4 of our next 5 games being against clubs below us in the table and the one club above us being Bournemouth. If we can get our players back from injury by the time the internationals are over we have an opportunity to start turning things around.
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Bebestation said:
I felt the moment he lost me was when he gave away Smalling on Loan.

Ball playing defenders are important but even the most possession based teams don't need 2 at the back; especially with the possibility of negatively effecting the defensive aspects of the team.

Under LVG Smalling did well whilst Blind would focus on receiving the ball of him and passing the ball onto the attackers. Pep's Barcelona - I felt Pique was more of a ball player than Puyol even though the latter was decent on the ball. At Bayern Sule & the likes play alongside Boateng. Even at City players like Kompany and Otamendi have the ability to pass the ball but not to the same level as laporte or Stones that don't seem to work aswell together.

When Ole gave Smalling up to keep the likes of Jones & Bailly - that made me ask questions about his thoughts about management.

As much of a legend as he is - I feel that he merely tries to follow the 'right' idea's or tactics of other managers at other clubs rather than actually trying to make the team play to the best ability by creating tactics that get the best out of the starting 11.

When he started - what was his first words?

He wants the players to work harder and press the opposition. From his words he sounded purposely that no tactics were important if the players didn't work hard and press until they break their breath - trying to emulate the teams of the world that press to stop the opposition gaining any chances on the ball. Yet do we see any idea of the right positions of players? The right angle of pressing? Pressing as a team or do we see a bunch of individuals just running cluelessly just following the ball? I see the latter.

He follows the tactics that works but doesn't have the ability to implement the tactics to his team. Likewise ball playing defenders in the squad, 2 players who can pass the ball but the midfield is hardly ever positioned to ever receive the ball and the ball players end up passing between them. We end up losing the ball in midfield and suddenly our two ball playing defenders are not that great defensively either.

Ole knew that we needed a ball playing defender - because which team doesn't in this era - but he simply doesn't know how use those tactics to make the team flow to play in a methodical way.

As rubbish we may have been under any other manager - unfortunately under Ole we look like a bunch of individuals all given simplified tactics to follow rather than to play as a team that know how to position, defend to play with possession and to attack. Look at the game vs West ham - never mind the players, one team played with an understanding of their strengths and weaknesses and what tactics to use and follow to influence a team like tempo to their game that wins games.

We are just individuals so I find it hard to point and blame individual players at this current state even if they had previously failed in previous seasons.
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Great post and you've hit it on the head. Ole is an idealist and manages as such.
 
we hired a coach that got cardiff sacked and was at molde prior

if his name aint ole , its not even close

well played woodward you clown , fancy letting someone do work experience as manager of man united
 
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I don't really understand this new transfer strategy, we're pretty much only linked with British players now - we're becoming Liverpool when they went on that weird spree of signing Henderson, Lallana, Clyne, Lambert, Allen, Sturridge over a couple of seasons. They overpaid and only one of them worked out - Personally I think they can upgrade Henderson as well.

Maddison & Chilwell targets now apparently, I don't think they're bad players (Maddison in particular) but they'll be excruciatingly expensive and there must be other options out there? It's like we enjoyed our 'negotiations' for Maguire and want to get rinsed again.
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Clueless Manager at the helm.

For what it's worth I don't agree with the British preferred, not in our situation. It's a luxury we can afford when we are actually in the position of strength. And I don't see any prestige in poaching british talent, you bought them for good money. Credit is a credit if we actually develop them from the academy and called him one of ours, but if you're gonna spend 80M and buying a british player you're just another chequebook club
 
Shimo said:
Go back to Ole's words during our winning run, how do we do once we start losing or facing adversity. How do we do when we go down a goal? Take an objective view of how he has handled it and it has been amateurist at best.

As a manager, watching games when things are not going right on the pitch, how often have we seen him adjust the team tactically or through smart subs to really affect the game? Almost never and the latter part of last season, it happened, we should have seen signs but, there weren't. We were told he needed a preseason and fitter players to sort it out. That hasn't worked out very well.

As a manager, who has had ample time to assess those available to him, know their strengths and weaknesses, you'd think he'd be prepared in the eventuality of injuries/suspensions. What is his approach based on the squad he has available? Stick to the same formation as though he had everyone available. Play players out of position like playing a 17 year old Striker on the wing while a 21 year old winger gets played as a striker and playing the likes of Mata and Gomes together well because they are the closest he has available to stick to that one formation he knows.

Even the most basic of managers would know that if you don't have the personnel to play your favored approach, you adjust based on what you have. Only if you are tactically inept, do you then just try random players in positions / roles they don't really excel at and hope for a performance out of them.

He had Young, Dalot as fullbacks, and only has James and Rashford as real forwards as Greenwood as much as he talks him up, does't rate him as a forward and in midfield he has the options of McTominay, Fred and Matic, none who are great creators from deep, in the first 2 he at least has 2 hard working mobile players. So how about fielding a 3-5-2. Allowing Rashford who is not really great as a lone #9 to have a partner in James who can also get in behind, thus not having 2 CBs at all time watching him and they'd both have someone to play off of as well rather than being totally isolated all game. In Dalot and Young, you do have 2 players that can provide width and in Tuanzebe, Maguire and Rojo (or Lindelof when he was fit) he had defenders that he could count on to make a pass out of the back and still be good defensively and in McTominay and Fred players that could get up in support of the forwards as they push up.

It doesn't even have to be a 3-5-2, it could be a 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-4-2 Diamond or even just old traditional 4-4-2. Point is he could adjust and not use the excuse oh I have injuries and players that are performing shit who need their heads sorting out so I can play just one way. He needs his head sorting out to know that whatever positives he is seeing are a figment of his imagination.
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You sir, nailed it!
 
Shimo said:
Go back to Ole's words during our winning run, how do we do once we start losing or facing adversity. How do we do when we go down a goal? Take an objective view of how he has handled it and it has been amateurist at best.

As a manager, watching games when things are not going right on the pitch, how often have we seen him adjust the team tactically or through smart subs to really affect the game? Almost never and the latter part of last season, it happened, we should have seen signs but, there weren't. We were told he needed a preseason and fitter players to sort it out. That hasn't worked out very well.

As a manager, who has had ample time to assess those available to him, know their strengths and weaknesses, you'd think he'd be prepared in the eventuality of injuries/suspensions. What is his approach based on the squad he has available? Stick to the same formation as though he had everyone available. Play players out of position like playing a 17 year old Striker on the wing while a 21 year old winger gets played as a striker and playing the likes of Mata and Gomes together well because they are the closest he has available to stick to that one formation he knows.

Even the most basic of managers would know that if you don't have the personnel to play your favored approach, you adjust based on what you have. Only if you are tactically inept, do you then just try random players in positions / roles they don't really excel at and hope for a performance out of them.

He had Young, Dalot as fullbacks, and only has James and Rashford as real forwards as Greenwood as much as he talks him up, does't rate him as a forward and in midfield he has the options of McTominay, Fred and Matic, none who are great creators from deep, in the first 2 he at least has 2 hard working mobile players. So how about fielding a 3-5-2. Allowing Rashford who is not really great as a lone #9 to have a partner in James who can also get in behind, thus not having 2 CBs at all time watching him and they'd both have someone to play off of as well rather than being totally isolated all game. In Dalot and Young, you do have 2 players that can provide width and in Tuanzebe, Maguire and Rojo (or Lindelof when he was fit) he had defenders that he could count on to make a pass out of the back and still be good defensively and in McTominay and Fred players that could get up in support of the forwards as they push up.

It doesn't even have to be a 3-5-2, it could be a 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-4-2 Diamond or even just old traditional 4-4-2. Point is he could adjust and not use the excuse oh I have injuries and players that are performing shit who need their heads sorting out so I can play just one way. He needs his head sorting out to know that whatever positives he is seeing are a figment of his imagination.
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Top Class post.

Time to judge OgS based on performances & his words.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
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OGS gives great press conference and the press likes him, but if results don't improve they'll be calling
him Comical Ole.



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devilish said:
Jeez its cut and paste from his initial interview with us. Does he run on a script? It might explain his tactics.
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What originally seemed like a breath of fresh now looks,in hindsight, like a man just talking in clichés to warm up a disillusioned fanbase. Ole doesn't have anything original about him as a manager, he's just another lower level boss stumbling his way through a career in football management.
 
Great post Shimo. This is what a lot of people don't want to agree. Blame the players all the time and give the manager a free pass.
But a manager has to deal with the players he has. To be honest he got rid of three players who would at this moment in time would walk into this team.
He has no clue how to play football in this age. This is not Molde in Norway. This is Manchester United.
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
What originally seemed like a breath of fresh now looks,in hindsight, like a man just talking in clichés to warm up a disillusioned fanbase. Ole doesn't have anything original about him as a manager, he's just another lower level boss stumbling his way through a career in football management.
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There are many with a clear agenda here that's isn't in line to the club's benefit. That include former players.

The club needs to act smart by hiring experienced and non biased football men at board level.
 
devilish said:
There are many with a clear agenda here that's isn't in line to the club's benefit. That include former players.

The club needs to act smart by hiring experienced and non biased football men at board level.
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Exactly, and many of these ex players are pundits and that should tell you everything.

The club they grew up and played in was completely different, this is a new generation of players and a new era.

It is not an easy job to manage United and it has proved to be one of the most difficult jobs in football.

We need someone with modern techniques who can understand the new generation of players whilst also being strong minded with the board and media.

Jose was the one but from his history most people knew he tends to fall out with players after 3 seasons.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Which will still only have us 8 points off top 4, with 4 of our next 5 games being against clubs below us in the table and the one club above us being Bournemouth. If we can get our players back from injury by the time the internationals are over we have an opportunity to start turning things around.
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:lol:
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
What originally seemed like a breath of fresh now looks,in hindsight, like a man just talking in clichés to warm up a disillusioned fanbase. Ole doesn't have anything original about him as a manager, he's just another lower level boss stumbling his way through a career in football management.
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Perfect caretaker talk after Jose left but thats about it. The club were stupid not to wait till the end of the season before choosing whether to appoint him full time or not.
 
If we'd lost to PSG, none of this would be happening probably. That really was a magical night, which makes watching and investing time into this sport worth it, but christ it came at a price didn't it?
 
romufc said:
Exactly, and many of these ex players are pundits and that should tell you everything.

The club they grew up and played in was completely different, this is a new generation of players and a new era.

It is not an easy job to manage United and it has proved to be one of the most difficult jobs in football.

We need someone with modern techniques who can understand the new generation of players whilst also being strong minded with the board and media.

Jose was the one but from his history most people knew he tends to fall out with players after 3 seasons.
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Legends genuinely love the club. However they love themselves more. Their time with us was the peak of their career. They would love to have that back. Unfortunately they lack the talent to do the job here
 
devilish said:
Legends genuinely love the club. However they love themselves more. Their time with us was the peak of their career. They would love to have that back. Unfortunately they lack the talent to do the job here
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Their love for the club is not questioned. They all keep saying Ole because he is a nice man, that's not what this club needs. The club needs someone in charge who is completely immune to such distractions because the manager of Manutd is bigger than any other club in England. The media coverage is enormous and it when we are not doing well, all rival fans will come out to because it is Manutd.

Everyone apart from United fans want to see Manutd fail which in itself brings a bigger social media coverage.

I don't think Ole is strong enough to deal with this.
 
It is stupid of the club to wait anymore to sack, it will only be worse. Under his 10 months here he has never shown signs of a manager who can come back from a difficult period. Now as soon we entered this period this season (second match in the league) 2 months ago and we are still at the same situation. He cant turn around sh*t he himself need a manager to teach him the basics of football managing. He has done it in what ? Norway in Molde with a minimal club with few thousands of fans? FFS he is managing a gigantic club with 600 m supporters around the globe. Sack now you stu*id useless CEO.
 
JohnnyLaw said:
Which will still only have us 8 points off top 4, with 4 of our next 5 games being against clubs below us in the table and the one club above us being Bournemouth. If we can get our players back from injury by the time the internationals are over we have an opportunity to start turning things around.
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In other words - the teams we are struggling against.

So far we have won 2 games and both were against clubs above us in the table - Chelsea and Leicester.

Won't even start on our away form and the majority of those games are away.
 
Giggsyking said:
You thinking Ole turn things around! Where have you been the last 10 months?
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More like 10 years. Ole hasn't been able to replicate his success even at Molde. The year he left his successor is leading them to a championship title.

The funny thing is, ever since Ole won 2 titles in 2011 and 2012 Molde (along with this year) have only won the title 2 times in 7 attempts - both times when Ole wasn't managing them :lol:
 
romufc said:
Their love for the club is not questioned. They all keep saying Ole because he is a nice man, that's not what this club needs. The club needs someone in charge who is completely immune to such distractions because the manager of Manutd is bigger than any other club in England. The media coverage is enormous and it when we are not doing well, all rival fans will come out to because it is Manutd.

Everyone apart from United fans want to see Manutd fail which in itself brings a bigger social media coverage.

I don't think Ole is strong enough to deal with this.
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True. Also legends love the club but they are not martyrs. Don't expect them to put the club ahead of themselves especially at a time when their money are slowly draining out and they aren't exactly a queue asking for their services. United remain a very attractive place for them to go especially considering their lack of experience
 
I'm in such a weird position with Ole. He's one of my favourite players and by far has the best personality. Well grounded, humble and never confrontational.

But as a manager I really wish he would go. I don't want to have sour feelings towards him and yet I wake up hoping to read news he's been let go. Wish he can resign with dignity and live a happy life as an ambassador for us whilst managing Molde.
 
VP89 said:
I'm in such a weird position with Ole. He's one of my favourite players and by far has the best personality. Well grounded, humble and never confrontational.

But as a manager I really wish he would go. I don't want to have sour feelings towards him and yet I wake up hoping to read news he's been let go. Wish he can resign with dignity and live a happy life as an ambassador for us whilst managing Molde.
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Every united fan love Ole the player, who wouldn't? He is one of my favorite players.
But this has to be separated from Ole the manager. He is not good enough period.
 
Both Ian McGarry and Duncan Castles are reporting on their "Transfer Window" podcast that members of the Manchester United board and owners held an unscheduled meeting to which they decided that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer would be given time but his position will be monitored on a "game by game" basis due to the worry that the Glazers have that things are going to get worse with him as manager:

 
Giggsyking said:
Every united fan love Ole the player, who wouldn't? He is one of my favorite players.
But this has to be separated from Ole the manager. He is not good enough period.
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I agree. I just don't enjoy a lot of posters hurling disrespect towards him that gets personal. I've seen him called a coward, Gollum, and other names. Would rather he just left nicely but the longer this goes it's only going to get more toxic.

I'd love a big protest at a game voiced against the glazers. That gets the media attention and affects the brand under Glazers. That's what we need to target. As passive as it may sound, banners/chants/protests and the like need to be brought out. I don't really think fans are doing anything at OT anymore.
 
Affirmation said:
Both Ian McGarry and Duncan Castles are reporting on their "Transfer Window" podcast that members of the Manchester United board and owners held an unscheduled meeting to which they decided that Ole Gunnar Solskjaer would be given time but his position will be monitored on a "game by game" basis due to the worry that the Glazers have that things are going to get worse with him as manager.
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They continually appoint the wrong managers, then they panic at the thought of giving them money in January transfer windows.
 
vivaronaldo said:
we hired a coach that got cardiff sacked and was at molde prior

if his name aint ole , its not even close

well played woodward you clown , fancy letting someone do work experience as manager of man united
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There's clown here too than Ed because they still want Ole to keep his job :lol:.
 
I understand why some or most of his ex team mates are not saying anything bad about him. It's going to very difficult for them and for him. I feel that they value and respect their friendship more than they club so they keep their mouth shut. Kudos for them for standing by their friend Ole.
 
You should get on with your boss. But if you are not performing then you should be reminded. We've gone from one extreme to the other, is Ole really handing out the hairdryer?
 
Flying_Heckfish said:
You should get on with your boss. But if you are not performing then you should be reminded. We've gone from one extreme to the other, is Ole really handing out the hairdryer?
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He’s not soft apparently, he can give it out. Whether these overpayed pampered prima donnas take any notice is a different matter.

The leak that some senior players are unconvinced with some of the training doesn’t bode well. I’d be letting the senior players know I’m unconvinced with their fecking performances with a foot up their arse but I’m old skool :devil:.
 
VP89 said:
I'm in such a weird position with Ole. He's one of my favourite players and by far has the best personality. Well grounded, humble and never confrontational.

But as a manager I really wish he would go. I don't want to have sour feelings towards him and yet I wake up hoping to read news he's been let go. Wish he can resign with dignity and live a happy life as an ambassador for us whilst managing Molde.
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Eh, what exactly is weird? He's a fecking shite manager who absolutely has to go. Yep, absolute legend as a player and seems like a top bloke. But surely you have the emotional intelligence to separate the two, which are entirely different entities.
 
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