Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Back him. Give him full backing in the transfer window next summer. Not just spend enough to try for us to get to 4th.

Hopefully see some progress and see that the club is moving in the right direction and see where we are come the end of next season.
 
We really need a focused coach to instil that winning mentality again. The players always look like they can’t be arsed.
 
Enigma_87 said:
I think you need to look at what all top teams had in their ranks when doing a rebuild and compare it with our team. We have literally have no options in midfield and attack and rely on teenagers to do the job. As I said I have never seen a top team doing a rebuild like that. Letting 6-7 senior players go and bring in 3 one of who is still in his early 20s.
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Again, not all areas can be addressed instantly!

Do you think Fergie rocked up in 86, got to the following summer and we were perfect?

So far Ole has only bought 3 players, all 3 are performing very well. The issues are still there from previous set ups and that is going to take time to get rid of.

Sir Scott McToMinay said:
Fergie won a European Cup and a league title with bloody Aberdeen, Ole did absolutely nothing in comparison so all you can go by is wishful thinking, that literally all there is to it.
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I'm not comparing the 2 managers in terms of quality, just the horrible situations they both inherited.

He's inherited a club in a mess and his 3 signings in the opening 4 games have been very good. Given time I'm confident that will continue.

The only pressure on him is from our spoiled rotten "supporters" who only want glory.

If they aren't seeing instant glory they just want manager, after manager, after manager sacked.

Jim Beam said:
You might check your facts on that one.
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What in the blue hell are you on about? That is exactly what happened.

The drinking trio of McGrath, Whiteside and Robson was broken up as it was a bad influence in the dressing room. Did we magically become over night sensations? Did we feck!

What's the answer, sack him...give the next manager 25 league games, unless were neck and neck with City and Liverpool sack again?

Massive Spanner said:
I don't see how McTom replaced Herrera seeing as they both played together in our best midfield three last season with Pogba?
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McTominay was playing ahead of Ander at the back end of last season with Matic.
 
the guy is awful, but large segments of our fanbase aren't trying to hear it because he scored important goals for us in the past and because he can name drop Fergie.

something something youth, something something knows what the club is all about, something something united way, something something take us back up to the top

:rolleyes:
 
Keefy18 said:
We've replaced James with Sanchez, James already has the same amount of league goals as Sanchez.

Greenwood has a greater upside than Lukaku who simply didn't fit Ole's plans, why bother keeping him?

Herrera wanted to leave, but he was replaced with McTominay who is of the same quality. A squad level player who offers work rate. Is it that big a deal?

Darmian & Valencia are replaced by Dalot and AWB, The latter 2 are infinitely better options going forward.

Smalling wanted 1st team football but we got Maguire.

It's simply going to take time to coach and improve the younger players like Chong, Gomes and Greenwood to step up and improve the overall quality.
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Top scorer since he arrived. People think Lukaku is shit but if you think Rashford performed better than Lukaku would have today I'd have to say that's beyond delusional.

Lukaku was perhaps unhappy and a disruption to our team but selling him and replacing him with youth players that have, despite their potential, never shown anywhere near current quality or consistently to be relied upon in a 70 game season.

It was a huge mistake, just look at the results, they speak for themselves.
 
passing-wind said:
I wouldn't say fire straight away but all the points above are completely true. It's embarrassing that fans are still defending what's clearly an incompetent manager and coach.
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Personally I can’t see any justifiable reason to keep him (barring the fact that you’ve had a lot of managers in the last couple years, but that’s not a good reason).

Realistically I don’t think there has been much progress since he took over bar maybe Maguire and Wan Bissaka being signed which improves the defence. Stylistically you are still miles off the top teams and I don’t really see much difference from the football Jose was playing. It was reactive and negative football. A good manager’s impact on style of play doesn’t take this long to show. Rodgers took about 2 weeks to have Leicester playing much better football. Lampard (not saying he’s a good manager, jury is out still) has a clear plan for how he wants us to play and it’s obvious after only a few games.
 
It sucks but he's had enough time to show us if the team's heading in the right direction.

With that said, the first person I want out is Ed Woodward. I wish we could have new owners but that's not happening so a new guy running things is the next best option.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
But you can, ffs. If you are doing it well, you win games. At least most of them. Or at least after 9 fecking months, you can dominate bottom table teams. Or at least you can show some progress in gamestyle.

Ole is just one nice talker. He talks nice, he smiles, he has "legend" status and he is using that. In any other club he would be sacked after this run of results. Even in bottom table clubs.
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Leicester got rid of Ranieri the following season after a title win!

I'm not advocating for Ole's sack yet but to have blind faith is absurd. We are in deep trouble right now.
 
When we sacked our previous managers there was a feeling of relief that the suffering was over and we would get our act together. What makes me feel most despondent is I fully expect us to manage to feck up the next appointment. Until the entire structure of the club is gutted out and modernised with competent staff we're going to keep underperforming.
 
snowkarl said:
Top scorer since he arrived. People think Lukaku is shit but if you think Rashford performed better than Lukaku would have today I'd have to say that's beyond delusional.

Lukaku was perhaps unhappy and a disruption to our team but selling him and replacing him with youth players that have, despite their potential, never shown anywhere near current quality or consistently to be relied upon in a 70 game season.

It was a huge mistake, just look at the results, they speak for themselves.
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It really wasn't a mistake to let Lukaku go, he wasn't even fit.
He was here last season and was a bit of a laughing stock.
We probably should've brought someone in, but I don't even want to think about Lukaku in a United shirt ever again.
 
The_Order said:
And pray tell, what would a good manager have done in his place when the board would not buy?
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The board has bought. The manager has bought. They've also sold but sadly the wrong players. They're promoting 'youth' but sadly the wrong players (Lingard, Periera incredible development of talent). Now, Woodward is making an absolute mess of the football club. But part of that mess, yet again, is hiring seemingly the wrong manager.

As with Jose, Ole has no excuses for being unable to turn us into a well managed and well drilled priper football team, regardless of shiny toys he may or may not have. I mean, he may not be good enough to do it of course so I suppose that's a decent excuse to have. But the manager can do plenty and doesn't seem to be able to.

Just goes to show that 'lets play with passion', ''set the boys free', 'we want to be happy' etc doesn't work. You actually have to have quality managerial ability.

I see Lampard and Emery doing better than Ole this season, sadly. And should he finish outside top 4 he should go.
 
passing-wind said:
Team finished 2nd less than three years ago, how do you amass a defence for Solskjaer when the capabilities of this team is better than the results he's achieving ? Is the team bad enough to lose at home to palace, struggle with Southampton, get battered 4-0 by Everton ?

I've said this many times and will quote Mitten, Solskjaer's long term success depends on short term results. the club have spent 200 million if we finish 6th / 7th he gives us absolutely nothing long term. There's no improvements on the field compared to when Jose was in charge.
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200m? It is rather 75m net and a heavily reduced wage bill to the tune of 50m a year?

Ole has proven almost nothing as a manager but I doubt Klopp or Pep would do miracles with the squad and a limited transfer budget.
 
No matter what manager you have you will always hate one or two of his styles. But that's okay.

I don't have too much negatively against Ole. There is clear progress in terms of fitness and way we play. Last transfer window was focused and everyone bought are performing very well. Which indicates the management has a plan but also not limitless budget to change 80% of the team in one or two windows. So on that front I am satisfied. This year he has some good players and some average. There is nothing can be done about it. He needs to work that out, for which he is being paid.

The problem I have with Ole is he is showing lack of imagination, innovation with the limited options he has. That will drag him, his team and the club behind.

But overall I want him to stay and finish the project he has started.
 
I'm little stumped by decisions by Ole. Mata is best suited when we are attacking and want final bit of quality. Yet he replaces him with lingard who looks looked so poor. Greenwood should have been in at half time for Pereira but he waits till balance of the game is shifting. Gomes should be in this squad but he's left to play u23. Bad decision after bad decision. It's becoming very hard to standby him.
 
Eric's Seagull said:
Back him. Give him full backing in the transfer window next summer. Not just spend enough to try for us to get to 4th.

Hopefully see some progress and see that the club is moving in the right direction and see where we are come the end of next season.
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I'm with that.

Much too early to get rid (given what he inherited).

Some people need to lose their sense of entitlement. Times change, get on with it.
 
I think everyone knows there's been institutional problems for years that I'm not even sure Klopp or Guardiola could've solved. In many ways, the influence of Solskjaer is laying more positive foundations. This Summer's signings have been good but we needed more of an overhaul, which I believe was out of Ole's hands.

My concern regarding Ole is his tactical nous. He did OK at Molde, not earth shattering, and poorly at Cardiff. He gets the club and has potential to grow but for a big club like ours to appoint a manager with such a weak pedigree, we need to be sure he's special. I've not seen enough to convince me of that.

No point changing now as I don't believe anyone elite is available and institutionally we're still fragile. Maybe Ole will come good. I would get Luis Campos in as DOF quickfire and give him the reins. The guy is smart and great at rebuilding clubs with affordable young players. He can decide on the coach.
 
Cardiff fans in Championship wanted him out being around the same time into the job, yet many United fans are backing him with even worse record in the last 20 or so games. You can’t make that up.:lol:
 
snowkarl said:
Top scorer since he arrived. People think Lukaku is shit but if you think Rashford performed better than Lukaku would have today I'd have to say that's beyond delusional.

Lukaku was perhaps unhappy and a disruption to our team but selling him and replacing him with youth players that have, despite their potential, never shown anywhere near current quality or consistently to be relied upon in a 70 game season.

It was a huge mistake, just look at the results, they speak for themselves.
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The only delusion is from instant gratification plebs who think this is a quick fix.

Of course he is top scorer since he arrived, do you know why? Cause he played double mins at the cost of Martial for example!

Lukaku himself yesterday was interviewed on BBC and he even admitted he was overweight, yet tried to claim he was still fecking professional, try work that one out. I'm absolutely certain Lukaku was one of the rotten apples, I mean look at how incredibly unprofessional he was by releasing private club data on social media? He took it upon himself to feck off to Anderlecht and train with them and wouldn't return.

Complete and utter poison, But you think Ole should of kept him?
 
AshRK said:
You are focussing too much on results and making wierd statements. On any other day we should have beaten palace comfortably. So I don't think hodgson or bruce or silva or eddie howe or villa manager or lampard would have done any better. Just because one doesn't rate ole doesn't mean any one under the sun would have done a better job. I myself have criticized ole but I won't make wierd statements that sacking him would make our average players look amazing.
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A weird statement is saying no other manager would get better than a 19% win rate with this squad. I mean think about that for a second...
 
Whatever mess it took Jose 3 years to create, hold Ole’s beer while he does it in 3 months
 
Yes but he is rebuilding the team, other managers left us a mess, Mourinho spent 1,000 millions and only two players worked.

There’s no way anyone could had done a better job, Ole for life.
 
snowkarl said:
Top scorer since he arrived. People think Lukaku is shit but if you think Rashford performed better than Lukaku would have today I'd have to say that's beyond delusional.

Lukaku was perhaps unhappy and a disruption to our team but selling him and replacing him with youth players that have, despite their potential, never shown anywhere near current quality or consistently to be relied upon in a 70 game season.

It was a huge mistake, just look at the results, they speak for themselves.
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Rashford isnt Lukaku his replacement as CF, Martial is. Martial has been good in the games he played. Scored goals but also offered a lot in build up. Something Lukaku has never done.
 
Lingard and Matic on iur bench to change the game. Everything is wrong at this club. Ole must leave. We are having our worst start ever.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Cardiff fans in Championship wanted him out being around the same time into the job, yet many United fans are backing him with even worse record in the last 20 or so games. You can’t make that up.:lol:
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We have such idiot fans. Any top club would never accept years like this.
 
The commentator just said it's 26 wins out of 28 games for City. What a contrast.
 
Tbf to Jose, this isn't all on him. Ed and LVG also had a part to play.
 
Keefy18 said:
What in the blue hell are you on about? That is exactly what happened.

The drinking trio of McGrath, Whiteside and Robson was broken up as it was a bad influence in the dressing room. Did we magically become over night sensations? Did we feck!
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You're talking shit as usual. He bought replacements by the time he got rid of Mcgrath and Whiteside. Both Bruce and Pallister were bought. Kept Robson while adding McClair and Hughes in attack and so on.

So, no, the rebuilding wasn't done slowly in terms of buying players, nor he only focused on our defence when he took over.

The fact it took a while for him to reach success with the team is totally different matter.
 
Its a shit team and you cannot make a pie out of shit but hes not helping himself with some decisions.
 
Keefy18 said:
Again, not all areas can be addressed instantly!

Do you think Fergie rocked up in 86, got to the following summer and we were perfect?

So far Ole has only bought 3 players, all 3 are performing very well. The issues are still there from previous set ups and that is going to take time to get rid of.



I'm not comparing the 2 managers in terms of quality, just the horrible situations they both inherited.

He's inherited a club in a mess and his 3 signings in the opening 4 games have been very good. Given time I'm confident that will continue.

The only pressure on him is from our spoiled rotten "supporters" who only want glory.

If they aren't seeing instant glory they just want manager, after manager, after manager sacked.



What in the blue hell are you on about? That is exactly what happened.

The drinking trio of McGrath, Whiteside and Robson was broken up as it was a bad influence in the dressing room. Did we magically become over night sensations? Did we feck!

What's the answer, sack him...give the next manager 25 league games, unless were neck and neck with City and Liverpool sack again?



McTominay was playing ahead of Ander at the back end of last season with Matic.
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Yeah because Herrera was leaving. In most of our good performances they played together. He did not in anyway replace him. Besides if Matic is on the bench surely he's a replacement for him?

Herrera was not replaced, because if he was still here he would be in our team, without question.
 
OK. Sticking with the thread.
Where is the evidence that Ole is turning it around.
Yes he has been part of a management team that has sold or loaned some of our older or fringe players.
And yes he has signed three tidy players.
But. We are desperately weak in midfield and attack.
But. This is a results business.
And based on results things are getting worse and not better.
 
8 shots on goal vs Southamptons 1. If Rashford was a better finisher none here would be baying at the managers head like a pack of wolves.
 
Stadjer said:
Rashford isnt Lukaku his replacement as CF, Martial is. Martial has been good in the games he played. Scored goals but also offered a lot in build up. Something Lukaku has never done.
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Well if Lukaku was still part of the team surely he'd have played today when Martial was injured?
 
He's isn't turning around anything. Just adding another stamp of disappointing on this football club.

Sadly rhetoric and a smiling face aside, Ole doesn't really seem to offer that much.
 
Oles league record as permanent manager.

13 points from 36 available in the league. Only 14 goals scored 17 conceded.
Luckily our full season form would be around the 40 point mark so we won’t get relegated!

Whatever happens we are in big trouble and how anyone believes we can get top 4 is beyond me.

Did the pressure get to him when getting the job and was that great run just your typical new manager boost? can he change our fortunes considering his squad is now weaker?

It’s a shocker and I just do not see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
In one thread titled something like who is our most important player this season, I said Fred. Because he holds the key to free pogba.

We have perriera, lingard, mata apart from pogba. All 3 bang average. Only hope for this season is if Fred pulls his socks and justifies 50m tag. We desperately need one more decent midfielder to launch any kind of challenge in Europa league or for top 4.
 
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