Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Are we seriously comparing Klopp with Ole?

Ole failed with Cardiff and then whatever he achieved in the norwewiang league counts for shit, he could have won the league 10 years in a row with the lowest budged and still wouldnt matter, its a low level league. Stop the nonsense.
 
True, but as I said he got out of a Europa league group with some handy sides which is impressive.
I don't think there's a massive difference in their careers leading upto getting a 'big job'


Also the last 20 years Rosenborg have won the league 14 times. And in the last 30 years 22 times. I think Ole did a great job to win two back to back.
 
Are we seriously comparing Klopp with Ole?

Ole failed with Cardiff and then whatever he achieved in the norwewiang league counts for shit, he could have won the league 10 years in a row with the lowest budged and still wouldnt matter, its a low level league. Stop the nonsense.

Agree. Are we really comparing Germany to Norway in terms of achievement in football leagues? I bet the second division in Germany is tougher than premier Norwegian league. :lol:
 
Are we seriously comparing Klopp with Ole?

Ole failed with Cardiff and then whatever he achieved in the norwewiang league counts for shit, he could have won the league 10 years in a row with the lowest budged and still wouldnt matter, its a low level league. Stop the nonsense.
What about his achievements in the Europa league though?
Nobody is saying Ole is as good a manager as Klopp, but there are comparisons to be made with the starts to their managerial careers.
 
The Manchester United job right now is not the same as the Dortmund job either. Being manager at Manchester United right now has to be the most difficult managers post in the world.
True, I'd say the United job is harder than any in the world, we'll have to see if Ole is up to it, or if he even gets the backing for success to be a possibility.
 
What about his achievements in the Europa league though?
Nobody is saying Ole is as good a manager as Klopp, but there are comparisons to be made with the starts to their managerial careers.

The difference is that Klopp then went to Dortmund won the league, the cup and reached a UCL final while playing really attractive football. Then he arrived to Liverpool.

Ole did some apparently impressive stuff at a low level league and something in europa league and then he came to United.

There’s worlds appart in difference, Im not saying it’s impossible for Ole to eventually become a top manager, but right now he isn't even close.
 
The difference is that Klopp then went to Dortmund won the league, the cup and reached a UCL final while playing really attractive football. Then he arrived to Liverpool.

Ole did some apparently impressive stuff at a low level league and something in europa league and then he came to United.

There’s worlds appart in difference, Im not saying it’s impossible for Ole to eventually become a top manager, but right now he isn't even close.
I'm not saying he's close either, but there are obvious comparisons between Klopps job at Mainz and Oles at Molde. They both took over a club they'd played for, got results that perhaps people didn't expect, both got relegated (the difference being Ole moved jobs for his relegation) and both had positive results in 'big competitions' with Klopp having decent bundesliga finishes, and Ole doing well in the Europa with Molde.
Saying Ole did some 'apparently' impressive stuff at lower level and 'something' in Europa league isn't really fair to Ole or the conversation.
 
I'm not saying he's close either, but there are obvious comparisons between Klopps job at Mainz and Oles at Molde. They both took over a club they'd played for, got results that perhaps people didn't expect, both got relegated (the difference being Ole moved jobs for his relegation) and both had positive results in 'big competitions' with Klopp having decent bundesliga finishes, and Ole doing well in the Europa with Molde.
Saying Ole did some 'apparently' impressive stuff at lower level and 'something' in Europa league isn't really fair to Ole or the conversation.

Whats not fair is to compare the bundesliga to the norwewiang league. I dont think any player from the norwewiang league would play in any team of the bundesliga. We are comparing really really different situations.
 
Whats not fair is to compare the bundesliga to the norwewiang league. I dont think any player from the norwewiang league would play in any team of the bundesliga. We are comparing really really different situations.
I never compared the leagues, though.
Klopp spent years getting Mainz out of the second tier of German football.
Ole won the league in Norway.
Klopp did well in the bundesliga.
Ole did well in the Europa league.
Of course the bundesliga and Europa league are totally different, but there is a comparison of quality there.
 
I never compared the leagues, though.
Klopp spent years getting Mainz out of the second tier of German football.
Ole won the league in Norway.
Klopp did well in the bundesliga.
Ole did well in the Europa league.
Of course the bundesliga and Europa league are totally different, but there is a comparison of quality there.
He didn’t won the league with Molde, and whats the case of comparing the managers but not putting into perspective the level of their achievements. For all of this we could compare Klopp with a manager from the 4th division.
 
I never compared the leagues, though.
Klopp spent years getting Mainz out of the second tier of German football.
Ole won the league in Norway.
Klopp did well in the bundesliga.
Ole did well in the Europa league.
Of course the bundesliga and Europa league are totally different, but there is a comparison of quality there.
Klopp was one of top and most talked about managers when he joined Liverpool.
Ole wouldnt even be mentioned as a manager in a top 100 list before joining us.
 
He didn’t won the league with Molde, and whats the case of comparing the managers but not putting into perspective the level of their achievements. For all of this we could compare Klopp with a manager from the 4th division.
Yes he did win the league with Molde.
If you think comparing Ole doing well in the Europa league is the same as a manager from the fourth division then there's no point having this discussion at all.
 
Klopp was one of top and most talked about managers when he joined Liverpool.
Ole wouldnt even be mentioned as a manager in a top 100 list before joining us.
You're not wrong, but what's your point? I'm talking about when Klopp was at Mainz, not joining Liverpool.
 
What exactly did he do in the europa? Honest question
Finished top of a group that had Ajax, Celtic and Fenerbache. Then went out to Sevilla 3-1 on aggregate, after losing 3-0 at their ground but winning 1-0 in Norway.
Not bad considering the players he had available.
 
And I'm guessing if they were last, you would be talking about how incredible Solskjaer is that he was making relegation candidate players finish in 5th.
Not sure how a hypothetical like that is relevant to the discussion, but you do you hun...
 
And a massive increase in points behind the leader - from 19 to 32.

Do you understand how maths works? Sure from early days the gap between leader and relegation/mid table team will be narrower, as there is fewer matches there (we were in range of mid-table point wise before Ole took over) . If we are already 19 points behind leaders in Dec, by end of season it is expected we will be 30-40 points behind.
Point is, we are only within 3 or 4 points ahead of mid table teams in Dec, by end of season we are 14-16 points ahead, the gap is wider.
 
I would love to see this work and be proven wrong but I think he will be sacked by the end of next season.
 
But at the same time we can’t just keep hiring the wrong managers and then sacking them just to start again. This is the boards fault for lack of vision and planning.
If we figure out that a manager is not good enough to manage our club,then he needs to be sacked immediately.Its not Oles fault,the board and Woodward were stupid enough to rush in and give him the job.But don’t make a bad situation worse by preserving with someone’s who’s clearly not cut out for this job....
 
After six months in charge, the very bare minimum I’d expect to see from any manager is some semblance of style of play. Every top manager has their own MO when it comes to the way that their team is set up.

But with Ole, I see nothing. It’s like this management team just chucks 11 players out onto the pitch and says go play. There is no structure or order about the way we play, it’s just chaotic.

We should be at a stage now where the system is there and we can see what Ole is trying to do. But there is nothing.

Pre season and 2-3 players is not going to suddenly sort our problems on the field out.

Ole will always be a legend for his playing days, but as a manager he looks fecking clueless.

Guardiola in the first 6 months in charge of City is nothing like they are playing now. It more resemble the likes of Van Gaal football, who got sacked in United - boring recycling of possession. Ole only has 5 months here, he doesn't even have a chance to buy his own players, and inherited from a squad who is in mid-table range, whereas the likes of Guardiola already spent over 200m in his first summer in charge, and inherited from a squad who is title contenders.
 
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This is precisely why managers at United need to be paid the big money.

They will always be the focus of angry by United's fickled fans. Four managers on, we have not learnt anything but just behave like some mob and blame the manager.... AGAIN.
 
I wanted to get a better picture of his side in the Europa League and compare it to Marco Rose who manages Red Bull Salzburg.

Solskjaer
Goals: 10
Conceded: 7

vs Fenerbahce: 366 passes 12 shots vs Fener 581 passes 24 shot attempts
vs Ajax: 399 passes 10 shots vs 590 Ajax passes 21 shots
vs Celtic: 331 passes 11 shots vs 793 Celtic passes 14 shots
vs Celtic: 488 passes 9 shots vs 538 Celtic passes 16 shots
vs Ajax: 312 passes 10 shots vs 655 ajax passes 17 shots
vs Fener: 370 passes 12 shots vs 531 Fener passes 23 shots

Total passes: 2266
Total opposition passes: 3688
Total shots: 64
Total opposition shots: 115

Goals: 1
Conceded: 3
vs Sevilla: 332 passes 7 shots vs Sevilla 748 passes 19 shots
vs Sevilla: 497 passes 11 shots vs Sevilla 555 passes 12 shots

A. Summary vs 4 Top sides
Total passes: 3095
Total opposition passes: 4991
Total shots: 82
Total opposition shots: 146
Goals: 11
Conceded: 10

Rose

Goals: 7
Conceded: 1

vs Marseille: 443 passes 12 shots vs Marseille 458 passes 14 shots
vs Vitoria: 484 passes 16 shots vs Vitoria 377 passes 7 shots
vs Konyaspor: 439 passes 15 passes vs Konyaspor 478 passes 9 shots
vs Konyaspor: 589 passes 14 shots vs Konyaspor 363 passes 6 shots
vs Vitoria: 450 passes 11 shots vs Vitoria 483 passes 6 shots
vs Marseille: 487 passes 10 shots vs Marseille 482 passes 15 shots


Goals: 14
Conceded: 12
vs Real Sociedad: 353 passes 11 shots vs Real Sociedad 554 passes 15 shots
vs Real Sociedad: 378 passes 16 shots vs Real Sociedad 377 passes 8 shots

vs Dortmund: 354 passes 14 shots vs Dortmund 661 passes 13 shots
vs Dortmund: 382 passes 14 shots vs Dortmund 520 passes 12 shots

vs Lazio: 496 passes 14 shots vs Lazio 428 passes 17 shots
vs Lazio: 529 passes 12 shots vs Lazio 411 passes 6 shots

vs Marseille: 457 passes 10 shots vs Marseille 374 passes 8 shots
vs Marseille: 494 passes 17 shots vs Marseille 417 passes 15 shots

B. Summary vs 4 Top sides
Total passes: 3443
Total oppositioni passes: 3742
Total shots: 108
Total opposition shots: 94
Goals: 14
Conceded: 12


From this (A & B), we can see that Ole's Molde side were less impressive on the ball than Rose's team and probably parked their way to victory in a lot of instances. What Rose did was more impressive. Not that these statistics were needed to point out how Rose's side was more modern, but I just wanted to examine the numbers myself to get a more accurate picture.
 
One of the reasons for why Ole is backed on here is because he's supposedly going to get rid of the deadwood. The deadwood that have been at United for all these managers are Young, Jones, Valencia, and Smalling. The only one who is leaving is Valencia. So that excuse just doesn't work. All of the players leaving aren't a matter of Ole being ruthless. I will give him credit for Fellaini. That was the one instance where he was ruthless, however we also know that Fellaini wanted out. We can add Lingard to this and I can't be confident he's on his way out either.

Another reason why Ole gets some leeway is due to fitness. I'm much more inclined to believe this because the drop off or rather, the change in tactics was a lot more noticeable after a string of injuries. My problem with this point is, why has Ole not gone back to what worked regardless of players getting injured? It's been clear that this park the bus style has been the side's downfall. Because of this drastic change and reluctance to have the players play a more modern style, I've lost confidence in Ole actually wanting that style. Was it due to McKenna's influence at first or Ole's? Ole barely had any time where we looked at our most modern (the 1st match). We've slowly started to go into a more cautious approach, well before the injuries against Liverpool.

All I want is a manager who looks to implement a more modern style that presses high, places a lot of importance on technical quality, and a style where players know exactly what they want to do. That's what is needed to go up against Pep and Klopp. All of the success stories have been a form of this as well with Rose, Tuchel, Ten Hag, etc... Even lower league sides have started to implement this like with Norwich and Barnsely. It's clear what is working right now. Not only are these sides the most effective, but they're also the more entertaining sides and show a clear pathway to success. It's easy for us fans to see what the manager wants, it's easy on the eyes so we don't run out of patience, and has the most success stories.

If Ole isn't working towards that, I will want him out.
 
One of the reasons for why Ole is backed on here is because he's supposedly going to get rid of the deadwood. The deadwood that have been at United for all these managers are Young, Jones, Valencia, and Smalling. The only one who is leaving is Valencia. So that excuse just doesn't work. All of the players leaving aren't a matter of Ole being ruthless. I will give him credit for Fellaini. That was the one instance where he was ruthless, however we also know that Fellaini wanted out. We can add Lingard to this and I can't be confident he's on his way out either.

Another reason why Ole gets some leeway is due to fitness. I'm much more inclined to believe this because the drop off or rather, the change in tactics was a lot more noticeable after a string of injuries. My problem with this point is, why has Ole not gone back to what worked regardless of players getting injured? It's been clear that this park the bus style has been the side's downfall. Because of this drastic change and reluctance to have the players play a more modern style, I've lost confidence in Ole actually wanting that style. Was it due to McKenna's influence at first or Ole's? Ole barely had any time where we looked at our most modern (the 1st match). We've slowly started to go into a more cautious approach, well before the injuries against Liverpool.

All I want is a manager who looks to implement a more modern style that presses high, places a lot of importance on technical quality, and a style where players know exactly what they want to do. That's what is needed to go up against Pep and Klopp. All of the success stories have been a form of this as well with Rose, Tuchel, Ten Hag, etc... Even lower league sides have started to implement this like with Norwich and Barnsely. It's clear what is working right now. Not only are these sides the most effective, but they're also the more entertaining sides and show a clear pathway to success. It's easy for us fans to see what the manager wants, it's easy on the eyes so we don't run out of patience, and has the most success stories.

If Ole isn't working towards that, I will want him out.

Didn't Fellaini just sign a new contract with us under Jose before he was sold as well? Anyway, not just Smalling and gang, but others from the LvG era like Rojo and Darmien will most likely be gone too. I don't think Ole can sell Smalling, Young and Jones all at the same time as there will be a shortage of numbers. I think Young will have his last season with us next year, and Jones most likely will as well, with Smalling as back-up.

As for the style of play - we have been going back to what works. We were impressive in most matches, but only for the first 30 minutes. Go and re-watch most of our games in this poor run. We should have raced to 2-0 leads in the Chelsea, Wolves and Arsenal league games if we had better finishers, and we should have held on to many other points as well if the players did not seem knackered after 30 minutes of attacking football and higher pressing.

Give Ole a transfer window, a pre-season and half a season after that at least. We are hurting from this mess as fans, but I am sure someone like Ole who has such strong ties to the club is hurting just like the rest of us, which I can't say was the case under previous management after SAF who had no affiliation to us at all.
 
Guardiola in the first 6 months in charge of City is nothing like they are playing now. It more resemble the likes of Van Gaal football, who got sacked in United - boring recycling of possession. Ole only has 5 months here, he doesn't even have a chance to buy his own players, and inherited from a squad who is in mid-table range, whereas the likes of Guardiola already spent over 200m in his first summer in charge, and inherited from a squad who is title contenders.
We knew exactly what Pep wanted in his first 6 months. He was getting irritated by the English media and opinion because they kept telling him passing out from the back under all circumstances wasn't working in the PL and wouldn't work in the future. They have since been proven wrong.

Pep's City scored 80 goals in the league. That's only 15 less than this season's City and 9 less than this season's Liverpool. That's 26 goals less than last season's City and 4 goals less than last season's Liverpool. That's also 12 more than last season's United. So they weren't boring from a LVG standpoint, although some would argue that Pep's teams aren't that exciting due to how much they suffocate the other side of possession and how they probe for chances.


Klopp took over midway through the season as did Ole. Let's compare how many goals each got their side to score. From the time Klopp was hired to the time the season ended, Klopp got his side scoring 55 goals in 30 matches. That was 2nd most in that time frame, trailing only Spurs with 58 goals, good for a 1.83 goal per match rate. On the other hand, Ole has gotten United to score 36 goals in 21 matches. That is tied for 4th place (along with Arsenal and Spurs) and less than Liverpool, City, and Crystal Palace. That is a scoring rate of 1.71 per match.

I think the most interesting part of that is the trend. Ole's time has been polar opposites.

If you look at United's scoring rate from February to the end of the season, it's at 17 goals per 14 matches, or 1.21 goals per match and that is tied for 14th in that time frame. Klopp's 2015 season from February to the end of the season was 33 goals in 15 matches, good for a 2.2 per match rate. In that time frame, Klopp had Liverpool with the most goals scored.

In other words, if the season were to hypothetically still go on, Klopp's side would score a lot more goals than Ole's side would. It's clear to see that Klopp deserved more optimism even if we disregard their previous club accomplishments.
 
Im not at all convinced any top manager would entertain the idea of working for Woodward and the glazers. We already know Klopp and Pep snubbed them and I find it difficult to believe Poch wouldn't see what a pack of fakers they are in a minute. It's amateur hour here. Ole and Mike Phelan need to be allowed the time to metaphorically reset windows to the last working settings.
 
I'd say back him. But at the same time I probably wouldn't mind if he stepped down himself. The results lately hasn't been very flattering and it has definitely put a dent in my trust in him. However our problems goes much deeper than just the manager. Everything above and below him stinks rotten.

I honestly can't name a manger who'd walk in and actually do much better with our current structure.
 
Don't understand the calls for him to leave the job. He got us believing again in the UCL and also that we could make top 4 this season. In all honesty, if we had won against Everton, Huddersfield and Cardiff, we would be celebrating qualifying for CL right now. Yes, maybe he should take some of the blame but 2 of the 3 teams i mentioned, we should have absolutely battered them no matter who the manager was. Even after the draw against Chelsea, we were actually still in the hunt for a CL spot.

The game isn't played on the bench, this group of players simply isn't good enough. Yes, they may have immense quality individually but as a team, we are shite. Players are not taking responsibility for their fecking jobs. Is Ole to blame for Young's corner that couldn't even get past the first man, Rashford skying free kicks, De Gea making mistakes in the final few games, Shaw's error in the Huddersfield game or even Sanchez poor form? There's no leader on the pitch. Who's there to pick these guys up when they are not performing? He inherited a group of players that ain't his, so why should he be judged for that? Would Poch have got better results from this group of players? We would never know. When Jose said his greatest achievement was getting 2nd with this team, we laughed at him. And if we believe him now, then getting 6 should be ok for Ole, afterall, this is somewhat Jose's team and he was a serial winner. Had all the experience as a serial winner while Ole is still learning the ropes.

For those saying that Ole is not backing his words about being ruthless and giving the kids a chance. What the feck? Did you really expect him to put out a startling 11 of kids? Those that question his decision to start Smalling Jones and Young, do we have better players in those positions? Rojo? Darmian? Bailly? Our defence is either on the treatment table or simply not good enough. Questioning his decision to drop Lindelof and Shaw in the final game? For feck sake, it was a meaningless game and Lindelof and Shaw was probably 2 of the best players all season. I think its ok to give them an early break. Man for man, the teams we put out there against Everton, Huddersfield and Cardiff, we had better quality throughout the pitch. For those that ask in those games, why didn't we start Chong, Greenwood and Gomes? Yes its exciting to watch the youth plays as they give you that energy that our seinor team doesnt have. But in those games, we were still mathematically in with a shout for top 4. If we play the kids in those games and drop points, shouldnt we then have started with the senior team? Are we gonna blame the youths for missing out on champions league qualification? Should they take the blame for the senior team? Greenwood started last night and did quite well tbh, though he did miss a few chances, but he's only 17. Honestly, i think if Lukaku was in Greenwood position last night, he would have put away a couple of those chances simply because he's more experienced. I'm not putting the blame on Greenwood here, i think he did really well for a 17 yo kid. Point being that it's always easier to look back on things. I think Ole did the right thing by only playing most of the youths when we really didn't had anything to play for or needed a spark. That's what Fergie usually did anyway. Do we want to blood in the youths in a team with Young, Smalling, Jones, Lingard, Alexis etc.. Who are they gonna look up to? Who will be the one that put their arms around the kid shoulders and tell him that he did well?

For me, Ole has every right to be given at least a season to show what he's capable of. Let's face it, we are not one of the stronger teams in England anymore, let alone Europe. Klopp finished 8th in his first season IIRC. But he was given the backing and support. For those wondering why For those wondering why Ole didn't sign any players in the Jan window. FFS, he wasn't even given the job yet. Are we gonna sign players that the next manager doesn't want? If we did that, guess who's making the signings then? Yes. It's our favorite CEO of all time. Isn't that what we all hate? Ole's record against the other big 6 ain't fantastic, but it is not bad either. 3 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses in all competitions i think. Over the last 2 months or so, our better performances were against City and Chelsea. If we had just put in the same amount of effort against Cardiff and Huddersfield, we would have walked away with 5 more points. Why can't we do that? We are becoming like the Liverpool and Arsenal when Fergie was here. Only turning up against the bigger teams and shite against the smaller teams. Doesn't that show a mentality issue among the players which we always ridiculed our rivals for?

Yes Ole doesn't have the qualifications nor the experience needed for the job. But who is to say he wont succeed? And calling for his head at this time? This club is rotten from top to bottom. Even if we appoint Pep, Klopp, Zidane, Conte, Guus, Carlo, Poch we are not even guaranteed to be successful. No one will ever know. We already had LVG and Jose. 2 managers with loads of experience and trophies who couldn't even survive here. Would the rest of them want to come and tarnish their legacy knowing how bad things are with the board here? I highly doubt so. If the Glazers dont sell the club or see that we need a DOF urgently, we are fecked for at least 3-4 more seasons.

We would have no problem attracting quality players. There is quality everywhere, just not the Messis, Ronaldos, Mbappes, Neymars, or even Sancho and De ligt kind of players. Just look at Liverpool, Robertson, Mane, Salah, Van Dijk, Fabinho. All of them not big name players but they put in whats required of them on the pitch. Just 1 year ago, we were laughing at them for buying a 75 million Phil Jones. I hate to keep referencing us to Liverpool but it is the best example for us to follow. We need to buy players that Ole trust and need, not the kind of big names that sulk when things are going down. For next season, I would be happy if we could play the whole season with the same amount of effort and hunger shown by Wolves this time. And... we are not even near that yet.
 
Realistically, do you guys think he will be sacked in the morning/before next season? Please, someone with insight. It's scary to think he might get sacked already.

By the way, I feel sick of reading the posts of you fans that actually want to sack him now. Disgusting.
 
OGS - Rated by Fergie as a very intelligent man and great manager material.
Phelan - Fergie has him as no 2 for the best period in Man Utd history

Carrick - Rated highly because of his intelligent approach and experince as a player
Mckenna- Was one of most highly rated young coaches in the country. Did well with the under 18 and got promoted.

So I see a good team with perhaps around 60 to 80 years in combined experince as players and in coaching between them. But perhaps that does not matter anymore...
Means feck all seeing as Fergie thought fecking Moyes was the man to rebuild us. If Phelan was so good he would have worked in top leagues after his time with us. Phelan is past it, we need new young coaches not relics of the past.

Carrick and McKenna have proved nothing, they've been here far longer and neither of them have improved anything. And no being a good player doesn't translate to being a good coach, we have to get rid.
 
Personally i was naive and thought that if he doesn't win last two games that he will be sacked. Reading headlines today i finally realised that it will not happen. What a shitty monday
 
“They’re good players you know, but they’ve hit a brick wall more or less towards the end and we’ll get them positive again, optimistic again. Today, we created an unbelievable amount of chances, we just couldn’t score, and that’s human nature. When you’re not confident, feeling the world’s against you, those margins will go against you.” - Ole yesterday
 
“They’re good players you know, but they’ve hit a brick wall more or less towards the end and we’ll get them positive again, optimistic again. Today, we created an unbelievable amount of chances, we just couldn’t score, and that’s human nature. When you’re not confident, feeling the world’s against you, those margins will go against you.” - Ole yesterday

His only solution so far is to get them "positive" and "fit and running". No talk of systems or tactics. Doesn't really bode well for next season.
 
Im not at all convinced any top manager would entertain the idea of working for Woodward and the glazers. We already know Klopp and Pep snubbed them and I find it difficult to believe Poch wouldn't see what a pack of fakers they are in a minute. It's amateur hour here. Ole and Mike Phelan need to be allowed the time to metaphorically reset windows to the last working settings.

Exactly. After how the owners/top brass and fans treat the previous managers... banners and all, who the feck would want to come to OT for this job?

4 1/2 managers in six years doesn't make for a good advert for the classifieds.

We are also behaving no different to all the clubs (eg Chelski, City, RM, Leeds, etc) we used to laugh at for sacking their managers as though they were disposable nappies.

Grow some cojones boys (and girls) we may not have too many choices after Ole/Phelan other than your typical mercenary 3 yr managers ... and we have already tried that before.

We will need to dig in with Ole/Phelan and stay the course and do a root and branch.

Or we will be going down this perpetual cycle of blaming/sacking the manager. If we aren't a joke club now, we will be then.
 
“They’re good players you know, but they’ve hit a brick wall more or less towards the end and we’ll get them positive again, optimistic again. Today, we created an unbelievable amount of chances, we just couldn’t score, and that’s human nature. When you’re not confident, feeling the world’s against you, those margins will go against you.” - Ole yesterday

He’s naive or just talking bollocks.
 
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