Any postmatch interview yet?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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One thing really puzzles me.
You know when a new manager arrives at a club, right? Pretty much a clean slate, starting from fresh. No groundworks have been laid, no strategy has been worked on. Happens to some club or other every season in every league. Sometimes that manager will have arrived practically the day before the next game. That team still manages to be somewhat functional, despite effectively having no manager at all for the first one or two games. Like they'll at least make up the sum of their individual parts, right? They generally don't lose 0-5 at home to teams that they're on roughly equal footing with, on paper.
Why the feck are we way worse than a typical team whose new manager arrived yesterday? Is Ole so wildly incompetent that he's actively dragging the performances below the level of a team with no manager? Are his tactics so heinously awful that we would literally do better if we simply didn't have a manager? Because it really looks that way. Logic dictates that there's a bottom level no lower than the sum of the squad's parts where, if performances fall below that level, something must be happening that makes the team play worse than they would if there was literally noone in charge. I don't understand how it's possible to be vastly, dramatically worse on the pitch than the expected bottom level.
Whatever Ole is telling them to do before they run out onto the pitch, it must be something so inept that they perform worse than if no one told them to do anything. We see newly-minted oil clubs buy a random grab-bag of whatever players they can get their hands on, and a brand new manager appointed overnight, and do far better than this. We play as if someone is actively and intentionally sabotaging the club in some manner. Aside from one season under Mourinho, we've actually played like that since SAF retired: vastly below the sum of the squad's parts, with almost every single player underperforming for most or all of every season. We've seen them do much better, we know they can do much better, but for some fecking reason they just don't.
The fact that his has gone on for so long almost begs the question if Ole is personally responsible for it, but whatever the case, it's certainly clear by now that he can't fix the problem. We need a manager who can.
You know when a new manager arrives at a club, right? Pretty much a clean slate, starting from fresh. No groundworks have been laid, no strategy has been worked on. Happens to some club or other every season in every league. Sometimes that manager will have arrived practically the day before the next game. That team still manages to be somewhat functional, despite effectively having no manager at all for the first one or two games. Like they'll at least make up the sum of their individual parts, right? They generally don't lose 0-5 at home to teams that they're on roughly equal footing with, on paper.
Why the feck are we way worse than a typical team whose new manager arrived yesterday? Is Ole so wildly incompetent that he's actively dragging the performances below the level of a team with no manager? Are his tactics so heinously awful that we would literally do better if we simply didn't have a manager? Because it really looks that way. Logic dictates that there's a bottom level no lower than the sum of the squad's parts where, if performances fall below that level, something must be happening that makes the team play worse than they would if there was literally noone in charge. I don't understand how it's possible to be vastly, dramatically worse on the pitch than the expected bottom level.
Whatever Ole is telling them to do before they run out onto the pitch, it must be something so inept that they perform worse than if no one told them to do anything. We see newly-minted oil clubs buy a random grab-bag of whatever players they can get their hands on, and a brand new manager appointed overnight, and do far better than this. We play as if someone is actively and intentionally sabotaging the club in some manner. Aside from one season under Mourinho, we've actually played like that since SAF retired: vastly below the sum of the squad's parts, with almost every single player underperforming for most or all of every season. We've seen them do much better, we know they can do much better, but for some fecking reason they just don't.
The fact that his has gone on for so long almost begs the question if Ole is personally responsible for it, but whatever the case, it's certainly clear by now that he can't fix the problem. We need a manager who can.
I don’t expect Ole to resign and walk away from a cash payout, but I do expect him to be sacked and accept it with grace.
That's bullshit, he sort of stabilized the club brought some decent players tried to push forward but wasn't able to make that step because he's not good enough. Toda's result is only accumulation of mistakes he's made becasue he was out of his depth and that's why he should be sacked but worst manager ever, that's clear nonsense..
Christ
It's not nonsense.
The point being made is the fact that we're always one step behind, and due to that we're constantly missing out on some of the best managers around. We're, as a club, always chasing. It's a huge failing from the people in carge of thse things and it's a pattern. It's not some anomaly. You can argue about the merits of labeling Tuchel a transformative coach, but the main point (a simple point at that) stands. And if we don't react fast enough now (which we have form for), some of those other candidates that you speak of that are out there now could be gone, too.
I agree that there are other candidates out there now, but i woundn't necessarily label Conte as a transformative coach. We can have a differing opinion on that - that's fine. But the point about us missing out on some of the best coaches due to incompetence is corrcet. It's a big failing, as he says.
I get the feeling that in-depth tactics are left to one side, and instead he trusts the players too much.
anyway this experiment has gone as far as it can, the right thing now is for ole to realise this and resign
anyway this experiment has gone as far as it can, the right thing now is for ole to realise this and resign
He should’ve been put out of his misery before now. As much as I want him gone, it wasn’t a pleasing sight to see how upset he clearly was at the end.
Ole don't have a clue.
The club don't have a clue.
The club don't have a clue.
A dark dark day and there's some knobs on here who think fans that were calling for a change of manager to be proven right or some rubbish like that. We're all hurting terribly today and it's sad that it was allowed to get to this point.
Decent players ? He splashed ton of money on world class and established players, and get feck all worthy to note from them.
Just another chequebook manager. The fact that his defenders were only thinking of splashing more and more money to fix the team problems says it all really.
Our worst manager post Fergie. The one backed the most and achieved the least. The board gave him literally everything and he won feck all.
He's going to survive this. Somehow.
I was Ole Out way before this game. It's clear that he is out of his depth and the truth is that he is too limited to take us where we need to be.
However, I don't subscribe to this view that absolutely everything today that went wrong is completely on him. Yes, the preparation was clearly crap leading up to this game. We looked underprepared. Yes, the lineup didn't help and we looked very light in midfield. The warning signs have been there for weeks, especially in the last few fixtures. Yes, the motivation of the players isn't up to scratch. Saying all of this, let us not forget that these are not 8 year-olds who are just starting out with the game, or a school team. These are professional fecking men. These are meant to be the best players in the country in their respective positions, playing at one of the top clubs in the world. I have no doubt in my mind that they have to take some of the responsibility, too. The mistakes leading up to each of the goals were embarrassing. Players clattering into each other, players being needlessly and easily dragged out of position. Shaw and Maguire being the two worst offenders, going walkies from their positions and leaving the back four completely and utterly vulnerable. You would not expect professional players at the highest level to be making those types of mistakes. You would be slating them even if they were amateurs.
Yes, Ole should be replaced and the sooner we can move on, the better. However, every single position in that starting 11 is up for grabs. Players have to be dropped after performances like we saw today.
However, I don't subscribe to this view that absolutely everything today that went wrong is completely on him. Yes, the preparation was clearly crap leading up to this game. We looked underprepared. Yes, the lineup didn't help and we looked very light in midfield. The warning signs have been there for weeks, especially in the last few fixtures. Yes, the motivation of the players isn't up to scratch. Saying all of this, let us not forget that these are not 8 year-olds who are just starting out with the game, or a school team. These are professional fecking men. These are meant to be the best players in the country in their respective positions, playing at one of the top clubs in the world. I have no doubt in my mind that they have to take some of the responsibility, too. The mistakes leading up to each of the goals were embarrassing. Players clattering into each other, players being needlessly and easily dragged out of position. Shaw and Maguire being the two worst offenders, going walkies from their positions and leaving the back four completely and utterly vulnerable. You would not expect professional players at the highest level to be making those types of mistakes. You would be slating them even if they were amateurs.
Yes, Ole should be replaced and the sooner we can move on, the better. However, every single position in that starting 11 is up for grabs. Players have to be dropped after performances like we saw today.
Like a cockroach in a nuclear holocaust.
Aparantly the coaching staff is very very good according to Ole.
Sack him already goddamnit. Can't hear or read any more thing he says.
Please be it a new man coming out of the tunnel against Spurs. I can't imagine I'll see him managing another game for us.
Been absolutely out done yet again.
Zero philosophy, no style of play and tactically inept. Simply not good enough it’s absolutely pointless carrying this on.
Zero philosophy, no style of play and tactically inept. Simply not good enough it’s absolutely pointless carrying this on.
feck sake he isn't resigning!!!!
Fuming
Fuming
I think we’re at that awful stage again where everyone knows the manager is done for but the club will delay sacking him for weeks until the season can’t be saved.
This guy isn't leaving the job. Pull the trigger Woodward you clown.
Was he smiling when saying those, though?
Why am I even reading his post match comments. Makes one even angrier.
Just put you fecking hands up and apologise. Coaching stuff is very good my arse.
Just put you fecking hands up and apologise. Coaching stuff is very good my arse.
I HATE HIM SO MUCH!!!!
"The coaching staff are very good, brilliant.." 
Maybe we should have a thread, posting posts celebrating that 3-year new contract last summer.
Woodward wants to leave United at the end of the year without having to make any extra work for himself. Woodward won't be the one sacking Ole
Clinical enough? He really is deluded
He was never going to resign. We gave him a new 3 year contract, so he'd miss out on a juicy package if he resigns.
If he doesn't resign or get fired he has now hit the harming his legacy point.
He cannot believe he is the best manager for United
He cannot believe he is the best manager for United
Ya I was hoping (against hope) he is resigning as post match comments were slightly delayed. Should have known better. He is deluded.
Seriously it's not even on his mind to resign. He's totally lost.
I love Ole but he has delivered us our worst loss to Liverpool, ever.
Neville is right to ask why Ole has suddenly decided that we're going to be a pressing team, talking about 424, players racing about leaving gaps for the opposition.
Our approach today is on Ole. There were bad individual mistakes. But the setup played to our weakness and Liverpool's strengths. That's on the coach.
If you know you got a team that can't be pressing like City or Liverpool: Don't. Play the counter-attack.
Ole must know that. If he's too weak to resist the expectation that we play 'attacking football', too weak to go back to basics, he should resign. It pains me to say so cos I love him. But his approach is destroying us.
Neville is right to ask why Ole has suddenly decided that we're going to be a pressing team, talking about 424, players racing about leaving gaps for the opposition.
Our approach today is on Ole. There were bad individual mistakes. But the setup played to our weakness and Liverpool's strengths. That's on the coach.
If you know you got a team that can't be pressing like City or Liverpool: Don't. Play the counter-attack.
Ole must know that. If he's too weak to resist the expectation that we play 'attacking football', too weak to go back to basics, he should resign. It pains me to say so cos I love him. But his approach is destroying us.
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