I agree. I want ole gone as a manager, but that wont tarnish his playing career and what he helped us win as a team, for me anyway.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Scary.
Ex-players can feck off with that shit. I find it hilarious the notion that we should expect another Fergie and should be happy because Ole is willing to stay here all his life, irrespective of how bad (or good) he is at the job. Managers would stay at a club for however long they enjoy it. I'm sure SAF didn't come here with the intention of staying 27 years. He just enjoyed it and time simply passed. Neither Jose or LVG were expecting to leave so soon either. If Conte is successful and he enjoys it here, there is no reason why he wouldn't stay here 20+ years. We have to go with the flow and not with the idea that any manager that we appoint has to stay +10 years regardless of what happens because that is setting ourselves for disappointment and the lowering of expectations.
We can "develop" for 50 years under Ole, it doesn't matter when our rivals are also "developing". It seems that some Ole fans have the idea that only we are "developing". The goal of football is to develop at a rate that far exceeds that of your opponents, yet not only are we not even closing the gap against our rivals, but we have basically been stuck in the mud for the past 3 years, not even moving an inch from where Mourinho left us despite astronomical sums of money being spent. And I'm sure nobody here is gonna argue Mourinho was a success.
Just realised that we are tied with Arsenal on points. Arsenal! Who played Chelsea, Spurs and City already.
Better not looking at the table sometimes.
You can't look at the table this early?
Lose tomorrow and we're out the title race.
Yes, we damn well are.
City and Liverpool don't lose when they're on form.
We can't even keep a clean sheet ffs, or win games at home convincingly.
Already, the standards are low. Let's lower them even further, why not?
He did this last season as well. Beginning of the season, he said we had to challenge. When we hit first, he said the same things he's saying now and we fell off the wagon.
Here we go again.
Lose tomorrow and we're out the title race.
Yes, we damn well are.
City and Liverpool don't lose when they're on form.
We can't even keep a clean sheet ffs, or win games at home convincingly.
Already, the standards are low. Let's lower them even further, why not?
He did this last season as well. Beginning of the season, he said we had to challenge. When we hit first, he said the same things he's saying now and we fell off the wagon.
Here we go again.
This is unbelievable. How he lowered standards in this club is amazing.
And best part is; when Jose was a coach, Solskjaer was the one who said that 2nd is not good enough for Man Utd.
At times I think Ole doesn't want to win something, as he would then have to win something else.
Ha ha. It looks like that. From day one, he is trying to lower expectations as much as posible. But this is another level. He refuses even to say that we are challenging for title. With this team, you ARE title challenger by default ffs.
And people laughed to Moyes.....
You seem to forget many fans here are actually satisfied with our achievements and direction in post-Mou era and would love to see more of the same. I fail to understand that too, but it seems like they’d rather have United constantly struggling in Europe and hanging there for top4 battle with their favorite in charge compared to giving ourselves a chance to actually compete with the most successful teams of last decade and utilizing our extremely potent squad. I think for some it’s the romantic notion “it’s gonna taste sweeter when Ole finally wins it”, but it’s problematic since a) he’s not winning a Premier League in next millennium, nevermind next decade, because he’s too shite of a manager with too strong competitors b) we might take a moral high ground over likes of Chelsea, but I’m sure the CL win with Tuchel was much sweeter for the fans than romantically looking at their former legend dragging them down; at least the Chelsea fans I know enjoyed triumphs more - and I’m sure that even the Ole hardliners here would be quite happy seeing us actually challenging and producing some sexy football, even if it was under another manager, not their favorite.
This was a pretty shit line too:
Just...why? Why would you come out and say we only finished ahead of them because Van Dijk got injured? What could he even be aiming for with that comment?
Just...why? Why would you come out and say we only finished ahead of them because Van Dijk got injured? What could he even be aiming for with that comment?
Moreover, he just recently said that 2nd is not an achivement for Manchester United, only title is https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-utd-solskjaer-jose-mourinho-20612265
I think some people thrive on pressure, win a trophy, the pressure builds and they are hungry for more. Yes it is an ego thing. The best manager have at least a bit of an ego. Ole's personality is all wrong for a pressurized job.
Did anyone actually read the article or are they just reacting to the misleading title?
He is saying that were not out of the title race. And that you can't talk about things like that so early. Not that we shouldn't be thinking about a title race, quite the opposite - we shouldn't be thinking were out of it.
Read articles before reacting.
He is saying that were not out of the title race. And that you can't talk about things like that so early. Not that we shouldn't be thinking about a title race, quite the opposite - we shouldn't be thinking were out of it.
Read articles before reacting.
Love to see him belittling his 2nd place "achievement" to lower the expectations this season once again while also throwing a blowback to his supporters who didn't like it when people attributed that finish to Liverpool's collapse more than anything else.
This was a pretty shit line too:
Just...why? Why would you come out and say we only finished ahead of them because Van Dijk got injured? What could he even be aiming for with that comment?
Hang on. Isn't that what Moyes said too?
He's trying to be too diplomatic. We were 2nd last season because we deserved to be Ole. Everyone gets injuries, Liverpools entire team stagnated last season. Bad comment.
The old adage of 'you finish where you deserve to' comes to mind.
Moyes said that months after we'd just won the league 11 points clear of the team he said we needed to be like. We were reigning champions!
It's very different Ole saying it 8 years since we won the league and and years of turmoil. During that time Liverpool have been very good, winning the league and europe.
Last year, as soon as it looked like we could be competing for title, he came out and wrote us out of the title race and said trophies were overated. City overtook us in the league shortly after and the rest was history.
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Eh? He's just saying that only eight games into a season you can't really say who's really in the title race and who isn't, but losing to Liverpool would be bad because they'd obviously get further ahead. He doesn't mention anything about 2nd place or rule United out of the title race.
All he's clearly saying is we've been behind Liverpool for a few years now and it's hard to know whether to read too much into finishing above them last season, given their injury problems.This was a pretty shit line too:
Just...why? Why would you come out and say we only finished ahead of them because Van Dijk got injured? What could he even be aiming for with that comment?
I actually believe we need a change of manager to win major trophies too, but the way people are -I can only assume wilfully- misinterpreting frankly normal generic football interview comments to fit their agenda is ridiculous. There are enough real problems to be concerned about without inventing things.
You expect too much in the era of instant gratification and 180 character soundbites.
He is downplaying our chances. This is not the way how manager of title contender should speak. No confidence in those words at all.
"Yes, our goal is to win a title and despite what happens tomorrow, we will attack title". Or something like that...
Sounds like you two didn’t read it?
It’s a classic lowering of expectations. My favourite is the part where he says that we probably finished above them last year because of their injuries, setting expectations nicely for this season (that we’ll most likely finish behind Liverpool)
But I know many United fans prefer feelings and other intangibles over actual achievements, so do you your thing.
Read article WITH understanding before reacting
I still think it's a really strange thing to say.
I'd agree with you if he'd just said 'Liverpool have been far better than us over the last 4 years'. Who could argue with that? I'd still question the need for a United manager to be saying something that's so obviously apparent...but fine, it's clearly true.
But to come out with the second line of "well, we did fight hard to finish above them last season but I'd put a fat asterisk on that one because Van Dijk was injured" just serves nobody. It needlessly diminishes what we did last season.
That went under a radar in press and among the fans.
When we were first (!!) he refused to tell that we are in title race. Then, when City went on 8-10 points and when you can't nothing to lose by saying it, he started to talk how "it is not over yet".
He has just that small club manager mentality.
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No worries brother.Teach me how to be a deep thinker like you. Please.
Let's take this:
This could also be our manager putting all the pressure on Liverpool because now they are full strength they are expected to win the league.
Pressure is a bitch. Some fold and some don't. We'll do what we have to do while Liverpool will have to do what they're expected to do.
"We are chasing them. Liverpool are one of the teams that we are trying to catch up on, on say the last four years. Even though last season we were ahead of them, maybe because of bad luck with injuries."
This is hilarious. I mentioned this myself many times about how we were lucky to finish second because of the number of injuries Liverpool had, and the Ole inners criticised me for saying it, because I apparently wasn't giving Ole enough credit for his achievement. Now Ole himself is saying it
This is hilarious. I mentioned this myself many times about how we were lucky to finish second because of the number of injuries Liverpool had, and the Ole inners criticised me for saying it, because I apparently wasn't giving Ole enough credit for his achievement. Now Ole himself is saying it
Do you remember the outrage when Moyes said he aspired to be like City? Rightly so at the time but Solksjaer, more than any of your post Ferguson managers comes out with this stuff often. He did it throughout last season and I got the sense he wasn’t bothered about winning the Europa League because he was scared of Emery, and he thinks getting to the final is not a bad achievement.
He still keeps coming out with this stuff, it’s not a slip of the tongue, he really thinks like this. I don’t think it’s because he doesn’t want United to win anything, I think it’s because, fundamentally, he’s scared of Klopp and Pep and knows he can’t compete with them over a season. He’s been quite spoilt in having so many players bought for him to overcome the fact that he’s well out of his depth.
I’m baffled why United persist with this Solksjaer vehicle and the notion that, because Ferguson had time, giving Solksjaer time must mean that he will become as good as Ferguson. The Europa League final loss was the perfect time to let him go. He’d have been able to walk away with consecutive Champions League qualifications and a better squad. At the same time your board would have sent out the message that winning is important. Reasonable given what happened the previous year against Seville.
He still keeps coming out with this stuff, it’s not a slip of the tongue, he really thinks like this. I don’t think it’s because he doesn’t want United to win anything, I think it’s because, fundamentally, he’s scared of Klopp and Pep and knows he can’t compete with them over a season. He’s been quite spoilt in having so many players bought for him to overcome the fact that he’s well out of his depth.
I’m baffled why United persist with this Solksjaer vehicle and the notion that, because Ferguson had time, giving Solksjaer time must mean that he will become as good as Ferguson. The Europa League final loss was the perfect time to let him go. He’d have been able to walk away with consecutive Champions League qualifications and a better squad. At the same time your board would have sent out the message that winning is important. Reasonable given what happened the previous year against Seville.
"We are chasing them. Liverpool are one of the teams that we are trying to catch up on, on say the last four years. Even though last season we were ahead of them, maybe because of bad luck with injuries."
This is hilarious. I mentioned this myself many times about how we were lucky to finish second because of the number of injuries Liverpool had, and the Ole inners criticised me for saying it, because I apparently wasn't giving Ole enough credit for his achievement. Now Ole himself is saying it
You guys don’t get it! @RedTiger explained! See above.
Ole is just misunderstood
You're still paraphrasing him with your own spin on it. He's not exactly being bullish but he's saying we're still in the race whatever. I'm trying to thing when any of our managers have made massively confident statements before facing a rival? Half the time it's moaning that they had an extra day's rest after midweek fixtures or whatever, whoever was in charge.
What he's saying is true, as you say yourself, and he's saying we need to keep improving. Equally, if he'd said look how we sailed past Liverpool last year he'd be slated cos everyone would just bring up VVD.
Clearly you guys get some perverse pleasure out of winding yourselves up over this nonsense, so as you were, I'll leave you to it.
I fail to see what everyone is moaning about, Ole never really said anything untrue. Last season we did only finish second because of Liverpools injuries and Lampard at Chelsea for half the season. If you think we actually improved last season you need to give your head a wobble. This season will be a struggle for 4th tbh, we're far behind Liverpool, Chelsea and City let's be honest. Arsenal don't have Europe so it'll be between us and Arsenal for that 4th spot imo. That is of course until/if there's a manager change.
People need to understand that names are just names, we may have a world class squad of names, yet, we play nothing like a world class team. We didn't last season and this season we look even worse. I think the last time we performed to the level of a world class team was against Roma last season In the Europa. Unfortunately, those performances are too few and far between.
People need to understand that names are just names, we may have a world class squad of names, yet, we play nothing like a world class team. We didn't last season and this season we look even worse. I think the last time we performed to the level of a world class team was against Roma last season In the Europa. Unfortunately, those performances are too few and far between.
Teams reflect the personality of their manager and I will hereby list a few reasons he deserves to go.
1) we lost to bursapor-(conceding from our own corner when we left no defender behind as he Ole sat on his arse)
2) Left Fred on a yellow vs PSG even after he again tripped opponent and ref gave yellow to the victim (we went down to 10 men and you can argue we lost the subsequent game against Leipzeig as Fred was suspended)
3) Lost final to Villareal he either didn't have the balls to replace De-Gea or didn't do his homework to realize he's shit on penalties..
4) Young boys, Everton, Villa were all winnable games we lost on lack of effort with an embarassment of riches on the bench and it's not like we weren't warned before vs Wolves, West Ham and Soton.
This is just a sample as I could list 10 other examples we have lost games directly attributable to Ole's passive demeanor . Many times he knows what to do he's just not brave enough. Many managers stand on the sidelines yell at their team when they sense a lack of press etc but Ole just sits there...too shy to do anything.
1) we lost to bursapor-(conceding from our own corner when we left no defender behind as he Ole sat on his arse)
2) Left Fred on a yellow vs PSG even after he again tripped opponent and ref gave yellow to the victim (we went down to 10 men and you can argue we lost the subsequent game against Leipzeig as Fred was suspended)
3) Lost final to Villareal he either didn't have the balls to replace De-Gea or didn't do his homework to realize he's shit on penalties..
4) Young boys, Everton, Villa were all winnable games we lost on lack of effort with an embarassment of riches on the bench and it's not like we weren't warned before vs Wolves, West Ham and Soton.
This is just a sample as I could list 10 other examples we have lost games directly attributable to Ole's passive demeanor . Many times he knows what to do he's just not brave enough. Many managers stand on the sidelines yell at their team when they sense a lack of press etc but Ole just sits there...too shy to do anything.
Worst case scenario (which is not improbable) we are sitting in lower mid table by Dec. Damn.
Typical MEN.
Top four is his merit. Anything else is a plus and he knows it. Disgusting state of affairs right now.
Because some of our fans simply hate the idea of us hiring a good manager and him actually winning trophies for us. They would rather live in their fantasy world where Ole eventually becomes a clone of SAF and we live happily ever after.
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