More reason to for coaching staff to leave at the end of this show then?
Ole's Made clear we're in this mess because of "brilliantness" of coaching staff.
Ole's Made clear we're in this mess because of "brilliantness" of coaching staff.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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It was interesting to hear Ole use the word "gimmicky" in the presser today. I suspect that was entirely down to SAF using that word in the recent United pod, where it was actually appropriate.
I think there have been a lot of gimmicks over the last three years. Both from Ole and from the board. The DNA and the cultural reboot. With regards to the latter, I wonder now, when I see players not really fighting as it appeared against Leicester (apart from the lack of organisation) whether the same problems aren't still here. The players are bigger than the manager. When Pogba criticised our form and performances after the match I thought it was rich. What he said wasn't wrong, but he looked devoid of fight against Leicester, reminiscent of when he downed tools under Mourinho. Has the culture really been altered? We're still dishing out huge contracts to average players, so average in fact that the manager decides to play an injured player instead of one of those lottery winners. It also seems whatever plan - if any - Ole and his excellent "United through and through" coaches have had seems to have been shelved to fit all the important players into the team. And he says maybe it's an issue of balance, which is staggering to hear.
Anyhow, I'm not sure a cultural reboot has been achieved in any way really. I thought maybe it had to do with not spending tonnes on players' contracts, as evidenced by Bruno's relatively low deal, and Maguire's not too outlandish deal (given the outlandish outlay), but de Gea was quickly made the highest paid player in the league post-Bruno and now there's talk of doubling Maguire's contract for absolutely no reason whatsoever, while Lingard is being offered a deal when he could have been booted out in the summer to make room for balance.
I guess the tell tale sign of a cultural change will be what sort of succession is in place for when Ole is sacked and how his sacking will be handled. The cultural reboot has to be a top down process. And this recent managerial reign will be best described as the many false dawns, part 43583420.
I think there have been a lot of gimmicks over the last three years. Both from Ole and from the board. The DNA and the cultural reboot. With regards to the latter, I wonder now, when I see players not really fighting as it appeared against Leicester (apart from the lack of organisation) whether the same problems aren't still here. The players are bigger than the manager. When Pogba criticised our form and performances after the match I thought it was rich. What he said wasn't wrong, but he looked devoid of fight against Leicester, reminiscent of when he downed tools under Mourinho. Has the culture really been altered? We're still dishing out huge contracts to average players, so average in fact that the manager decides to play an injured player instead of one of those lottery winners. It also seems whatever plan - if any - Ole and his excellent "United through and through" coaches have had seems to have been shelved to fit all the important players into the team. And he says maybe it's an issue of balance, which is staggering to hear.
Anyhow, I'm not sure a cultural reboot has been achieved in any way really. I thought maybe it had to do with not spending tonnes on players' contracts, as evidenced by Bruno's relatively low deal, and Maguire's not too outlandish deal (given the outlandish outlay), but de Gea was quickly made the highest paid player in the league post-Bruno and now there's talk of doubling Maguire's contract for absolutely no reason whatsoever, while Lingard is being offered a deal when he could have been booted out in the summer to make room for balance.
I guess the tell tale sign of a cultural change will be what sort of succession is in place for when Ole is sacked and how his sacking will be handled. The cultural reboot has to be a top down process. And this recent managerial reign will be best described as the many false dawns, part 43583420.
I honestly don't think there is a single intelligent football minded person at the club after hearing this stuff.
"Secure that Champions League place"...yeah we are fecking done as a top club. Absolutely taking the p*ss. The club is willing to accept mediocrity, but the supporters shouldn't. This is going to be the worst period, for supporters, post Fergie. Having a world class team, one of the biggest wage bills in Europe, and all that is expected is top 4. 1) Because of the CL payout, and 2) so the club can have their front man Ole there as a shield from the fans whilst they carry on with their business care free.
The fans are the biggest loser's in all of this, unless you are one of these Ole In feckwits that thinks all is rosy.
Woodward still believes Ole will be the "transformative figure". His ego knows no bounds. His last managerial appointment before he leaves and he is going to cling on in sheer hope that he's the next Fergie and Woodward will be talked about for years to come for his last call as CEO.
He's an absolute numpty. I hope the stories of another protest are true. Let's see the back of him earlier than planned.
I read a story that that said he was convinced of Ole in a chance encounter at Carrington. He was apparently passing Oles office and Ole was at his desk planning out his team for years to come. Apparently this impressed Woodward
He's an absolute numpty. I hope the stories of another protest are true. Let's see the back of him earlier than planned.
I read a story that that said he was convinced of Ole in a chance encounter at Carrington. He was apparently passing Oles office and Ole was at his desk planning out his team for years to come. Apparently this impressed Woodward
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He probably took a glimpse at Ole's football manager save game and was convinced there and then.Woodward still believes Ole will be the "transformative figure". His ego knows no bounds. His last managerial appointment before he leaves and he is going to cling on in sheer hope that he's the next Fergie and Woodward will be talked about for years to come for his last call as CEO.
He's an absolute numpty. I hope the stories of another protest are true. Let's see the back of him earlier than planned.
I read a story that that said he was convinced of Ole in a chance encounter at Carrington. He was apparently passing Oles office and Ole was at his desk planning out his team for years to come. Apparently this impressed Woodward
And I'm only half joking:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/aston-villa-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-185471
If "securing a Champions League spot" is all it takes to keep his job, then I'm done. I regret laughing at Arsenal all those years for winning their top 4 trophy.
I get so annoyed about the arguments that he trots out in his defence. Since when did being “United people” guarantee anything resembling success? He could as well have gone with “they’re humans, and all winners ever have been humans so that means that we’ll win titles soon enough”. Hardly like Klopp’s staff is full of Liverpool people, City’s bench is full of city people and so on. Is Tuchel’s success based on him having Chelsea people around him? It’s only here that being United people is something that the manager would use as a defence, and (thankfully fewer and fewer) people lap it up because we’re so different!
Amen
"Secure top 4 spot" Disturbing at many levels. Are we now a new Arsenal? Because then it's all downhill from here.
On the loss to Leicester he said "when you lose games it's obvious things didn't go as planned. It might be some personnel or some injuries." Jesus christ, can he ever just say he tactically got it wrong? Blaming injuries and missing players for that absolute rabble. He says Atalanta were third seed in our group & that "shows how tough this group is" when everyone knows our group was one of the easiest, just getting his excuses in early. Somebody get this passion merchant out of the club.
This thread doesn't generate the same amount of traffic when he actually does something good uh?
Great work by him to fix the mess that was the first half (which he was responsible of in the first place of course), looked like a totally different team on the pitch after that half time break
Great work by him to fix the mess that was the first half (which he was responsible of in the first place of course), looked like a totally different team on the pitch after that half time break
Good job from him to manage to get such reaction from the player. Doesn't change anything though regarding my opinion on the whole thing. It's just a matter of time, but it was a great win and really great second half. Really enjoyed everything about it once Rashford scored.
I really wouldn't consider that game 'good'. Was a great result and a great finish to the game but the fact that we were even in that position against an Atalanta team who were missing their best players/lost another in Demiral at HT is hardly something to write home about.
Great result and finish to the game though, as I mentioned.
Nice win. Still not good enough.
He worked shit. Messed up with formation and lineup. In second half he threw in all creative players and what happens, happens. That was run and gun football which can bring you comeback then and there. And that is it.
Can’t help feel that Scholesy was right. They’re a bit Leeds in that they keep playing and play wide open. Maybe another false dawn, but at least it was entertaining.
So now, wins are not good enough. Instead of being sad for our win, people should support the team even when there are some bad spells.
To people that just see negativity in Solskjaer. You can find lot of positivity today. You just need to try doing that.
To people that just see negativity in Solskjaer. You can find lot of positivity today. You just need to try doing that.
That win was fantastic, I am delighted.
I do not believe Solskjaer is good enough to be our manager despite absolutely loving the bloke.
They are not mutually exclusive.
We could potentially be 8 points adrift after Sunday and it's still October. There have been very few positives this year.
I think the players saved him today because they don’t want to get knocked out more than anything he did. Ole looks totally lost and we’re a mess, not sure how many more times they’ll save him. He can’t continue being inept in the tougher games to come.
I enjoyed the comeback and delighted we won but it's shocking how badly organised we are.
I enjoyed the comeback and delighted we won but it's shocking how badly organised we are.
I don't know what he says to the team at half times during games.......but wish he did it at start of matches........we are like a different team at times.
The game I saw, the front 4 didn't bother doing anything when not in attack for the first half. The chances were there even then and it could have been 2-2 at the half just as well. The second half, everyone, including Ronaldo busted a lung to get bodies behind the ball, organize themselves when out of possession and simply turned up. I don't think either the come back or the lack of commitment were down to the manager. Its more or less a work ethic issue unless Ole is telling the front 4 to stay up when not in possession.
Don’t think we learned much tonight about Ole and his team. When the game is wide open, chaotic and end to end, we thrive. When we need structure, control and to set the tempo, we’re a long way short. Plenty exciting when it works, but not a recipe for long term success in my opinion.
Playing a team with poor fitness levels has saved him more than anything else.
Don't get me wrong, it's not a masterclass, but everyone told me Atalanta "actually have a system" and we'd get found out. We basically did what Leicester did to us, don't see how people can be so miserable about this game.
It's just Villareal all over again? Why should any united fan feel like this game will change anything when we all know how we were after that game too.
I'm over the moon that we're looking likely we are progressing and avoiding Europa. That's all.
Pretty much everything here is spot on
plan a fails, throw on all your best players and shockingly it works against a team that dropped its arse
They were missing half their team to be fair
Can’t help feel that Scholesy was right. They’re a bit Leeds in that they keep playing and play wide open. Maybe another false dawn, but at least it was entertaining.
The spaces between their players was something else. Might be the least compact team we’ve played against all season.
We made hard work of beating a mediocre side.Nothings changed.Ole out.
One thing that can't be said is the players aren't playing for him. We wouldn't have as many comebacks if that was the case.
I'm interested to know what the half time team talk would have been
It was the exact same players first and second half with the exact same shape.
If we're giving credit for the players saving him, then we gotta blame them for that first half especially the two goals we conceded which were bad mistakes
I'm interested to know what the half time team talk would have been
Then the players almost cost him in the first half
It was the exact same players first and second half with the exact same shape.
If we're giving credit for the players saving him, then we gotta blame them for that first half especially the two goals we conceded which were bad mistakes
Good performance, enjoyed that. Hopefully we can beat Liverpool next.
Should see it as a positive, I might apply
Atalanta have 5 injured players and lost their best defender due to another injury during the break. They were still very close to get a result against us.
Well done Ole got us back firing in the second half.
I want us to still be in the CL for when the new manager comes in. We can win the CL with this squad with the right manager setting us up.
Ole just said he thinks we played well in the first half 
Huge win for him tonight, bless him.
Good to see the players are still playing for him - he owes them for bailing him out yet again!
Good to see the players are still playing for him - he owes them for bailing him out yet again!
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