At the very least 90+ points! Bahaha
That's your bare minimum?
So you're expecting an average of 100 I assume and will only be impressed if he gets 110.
You don't ask for much do you
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That's your bare minimum?
So you're expecting an average of 100 I assume and will only be impressed if he gets 110.
You don't ask for much do you
That was when we told him we aren't interested. Moyes rejected him. Rio also said that Thiago asked him to sort a transfer to united.
12 points.
Ah you're right, thought it was 82 in the end but they finished on 86
This is nonsense.
(Just pointing it out in case you aren't aware that what you posted is - in fact - absolute nonsense).
It carry two things
a positive, we have a good never give up mentality and that one is for the manager and the players.
a negative, we enter games very sloppy and we wake up after we get shocked and I dont know who to blame here.
No, we should be challenging. We haven't got the god-given right to win the thing especially when we're up against some great teams. A challenge is required though.
I agree with us being in a very challenging league. But the poster asked for trophies, not necessarily the premier ship. I agree with you, over a season, it is very difficult and it factors in being lucky in some situations where your opponents are not. So no debate about PL, almost no debate about CL because it is the best teams in Europe, but trophies are attainable elsewhere as well.
I think, it isn't the right thing to just ignore FA or EFL cup, it is silverware. Same goes for EL. We should challenge in the league and for these cups and if the season ends on a high note in the league and we will have one new pot in the cabinet, people won't be as fickle as they are today. Last season we could have had some silverware. But we were denied by Villareal, Leicester and City (2 times). Only one team belongs to the top4. What sticked out last year weren't tense fights against the Big Four where they were just a fraction better than we were. It was matches against smaller and small teams.
With our 8 year absence, I think, it doesn't shine a good light on people who are smug about potential trophies. I agree, Ole needs some silverware or very very good explanations for their absence (like bringing a weakened squad in FA semi final because focus on league game and then losing out on the league on the last two matchdays or something). I was pretty disappointed after Leicester and Villareal, that shouldn't be accepted in the same fashion again.
This away record of ours is quite extraordinary. Obviously, I’ve been aware of it, but it was only when I was thinking about it earlier after hearing it being mentioned again that I realized how mental it is. I think it’s 29 now, and perhaps because it hasn't yet materialized into anything substantial (i.e., winning the league) that perhaps it’s not talked about THAT much. There are a few draws in there, but that’s to be expected. Also, when you factor in that a lot of those have been us coming from behind, it’s a bit mental.
It carry two things
a positive, we have a good never give up mentality and that one is for the manager and the players.
a negative, we enter games very sloppy and we wake up after we get shocked and I dont know who to blame here.
The people who play the match?
As well as the manager who prepares them
This is just your bias which is stopping from accepting the fact... in fact even Moyes is twice the manager Ole is. Give Ole a team like West ham and see what he does with it. Ole's level is Norwegian league, that's about it.
It's not a fact; it's an opinion. And not a great one.
What do people mean by title challenge? In contention in April?
My definition would be going into the last few weeks of the season and being in a position where if the team at the top drops points, we're able to capitalize on that and either take over them or move to within a point or two if we win our game. That's mine, anyway.
One supervising a free-fall and one supervising year on year progress, with the same club, kind of trumps a rhetorical scenario, based on blind faith in your own dubious judgment and prejudice.
Congratulations on your bravery, for broadcasting it in public, though.
Basically in whatever resolves itself as being the final handful of games, we're still in with a realistic shout of winning. Not a "Oh City might lose four games" kind of race.
Blame the problem not individuals.
To get better all involved need to take accountability. Players and management.
Example. Maguire needs to work on his concentration and that he slow things down. This is a problem between the player and the coaches and both need to take accountability to get it solved ASAP. When concentration lapses are repeated then there is a problem.
Example 2. Our game plan and tactic is often one dimensional and easy to counter. That’s on the management. Instead of burying our heads in the sand it’s better to acknowledge the problem and make it visible. Be open. Take accountability. Involve both players and coaches and see if there’s internal ideas. If not search for outside help. This problem is on our manager. Trying to deflect the problem in interviews or similar doesn’t help anybody. Try to move forward by working on the problem. Acting like it’s none existing is brainless.
This is the elephant in the room in our club.
To get better all involved need to take accountability. Players and management.
Example. Maguire needs to work on his concentration and that he slow things down. This is a problem between the player and the coaches and both need to take accountability to get it solved ASAP. When concentration lapses are repeated then there is a problem.
Example 2. Our game plan and tactic is often one dimensional and easy to counter. That’s on the management. Instead of burying our heads in the sand it’s better to acknowledge the problem and make it visible. Be open. Take accountability. Involve both players and coaches and see if there’s internal ideas. If not search for outside help. This problem is on our manager. Trying to deflect the problem in interviews or similar doesn’t help anybody. Try to move forward by working on the problem. Acting like it’s none existing is brainless.
This is the elephant in the room in our club.
Jeez I can’t believe we aren’t at the stage of bans for posts like this.
Imo I’ve been temp-banned for less.
You make a good point.
Maybe it's time someone gave David 'twice the manager Ole is" Moyes a title-winning side and see what he does with it...
Oh, wait..
I've also noticed a lot of Ole Outers seem to hate Maguire?
Yep.
And a lot of them try to downplay Bruno too wherever possible. Instead of appreciating such a player and his influence they are rather frustrated why Ole managed to integrate him so quickly and successfully and why he keeps performing for him.
It means one of the following:
We finish well off the pace - Outrage ensues. People want Ole sacked
We finish comfortable top 4 but 10 points off 1st - no progress here. We've stagnated. Outrage ensues. People want Ole sacked
We finish close to the title but fall just short (ie what is currently considered a title challenge) - Ole is a bottler/choker/not able to get the team over the line. Outrage ensues. People want Ole sacked
We win the title - General level of satisfaction, but with this squad we couldn't fail. Style of play is insufficient. Individual brilliance etc. People want Ole sacked but aren't allowed to say it as much anymore until we lose our first game next season
Why, is it now sacrilegious to tell the truth about how blatantly nepotism worked in an absolute average manager's appointment. Both Moyes and Ole got the job in a platter, but at least Moyes proved himself over the years pre and post United stint. The shameless defense by his media friends the likes of Neville in the media and lowering the expectations after spending record levels of money is truly astounding.
Give Moyes a team that’s reigning champions, and see what he does.
You defo on the wind up, you not see what Moyes done with a title winning squad
I mean Ole inherited one of the worse squads I can't remember as far as morale was, and didn't even finish 7th.
Top trolling to be honest
including the 4 games we played so far, to get 90 points means we need to at least: -
win 26 games
draw 2 games
lose 6 games.
and to compete with City, Liverpool & Chelsea, we need to be consistent in getting results, so getting 87-90 points at least shows that we actually challenged for the league, so I would argue that a 90 pts target is fair ask and not an impossible one (Assuming the other 3 contenders maintained similar consistency to City & Liverpool in 18/19 season).
How does this work? I thought Bruno was to be the poster boy of individual brilliance no?
Different managers suit different clubs. Give Pep west ham and see what he can do with it. Not a great deal i would imagine.
Moyes didn't suit United at all where the expectation is to be the best. He does seem quite good at getting mid table clubs to punch a little above there weight mostly by making them very solid defensivley and a threat on the counter playing direct football. Its suits that sort of club but not United.
I think ole is suited to big clubs he seems to be able to cope with the pressure of expectation and happy enough to take risks to force results and get his team on the front foot. Weather that will be enough for him to achieve what is required at United the jury is still very much out of course and only time will tell.
But I will say one thing, Ole has been five times the manager at United then what moyes was.
That's total nonsense though. If Ole proved he can actually win a PL title there would be significantly more trust in his abilities. Scratch that if he wins the league cup I'd be willing to bet there would less knee jerk among the fanbase. Not sure why you think there should be a general level of satisfaction until United are winning silverware again. Ronaldo didn't come here to twiddle his thumbs. Bruno will also clearly want to start winning silverware to back up his ridiculous stats. These WC players aren't going to stick around forever winning absolutely nothing.
Woah! slow down your roll, Ole's done well here and progressed us nicely during the rebuild in the past 2 seasons, but i can't say he suits big clubs just yet.
Yep, that’s why both Bruno and Individual Brilliance are disliked here!
Yeah fine it's doable but if we got 90 points it would be a great achievement. I reckon only about 7 or 8 teams have ever done it in the history of the English game. It takes an amazing level of ability to win almost 30 of 38 games, especially when the league has 6 games against some of the best teams in the world.
I was pointing out and ridiculing, the entitled attitude that demands that this be the bare minimum that could be expected. Basically we have to beat everybody twice and only drop points against the top 6. Like I said, it can be done but to demand it, is not respectable.
Moyes lost the dressing room in Pre-season so that's bollocks.
It gets better
Bizarre right? Moyes was fecking awful at this club and broke dozens of hideous records for us. Fumbled around on who to bring in and insulted half of a title winning squad.
We've reached the stage where a good portion of people on this forum are happier when we lose so they can run their agenda than when we win.
It's absolutely pathetic. These 'fans' are largely the same people who would be Chelsea or City fans now if they were a bit younger.
Get behind the manager and club. I could understand the frustration if we were bottom half and struggling but we're not.
It's absolutely pathetic. These 'fans' are largely the same people who would be Chelsea or City fans now if they were a bit younger.
Get behind the manager and club. I could understand the frustration if we were bottom half and struggling but we're not.
Ah Jibbs we have seen what each man can do at the same club.
Really? I haven't noticed any hate directed at Bruno personally, but you're not the first person to mention that to me recently. I don't actually read any of the player performance threads besides this one, though.
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