The problem with Ole's tactics is that his plan A is great players bailing him out, when they don't, we just don't win (as we saw against Southampton). I don't even know what plan B is. Does Klopp or Pep have a plan B? No. Russell Martin said it best when talking about the myth of plan B.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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The problem with Ole's tactics is that his plan A is great players bailing him out, when they don't, we just don't win (as we saw against Southampton). I don't even know what plan B is. Does Klopp or Pep have a plan B? No. Russell Martin said it best when talking about the myth of plan B.
I mean I was thinking about Conte as our potential manager yesterday and how he would be for us.
Seems like he has the ability to win stuff for us.
However, I was looking at Ole having the ability to bring Haaland here the way he had managed to entice players like Varane and Sancho this window vs Conte bringing in Ashley Young to Inter.
Conte managing Haaland would be absolutely lethal. Destroy alot of teams.
However, that doesn't mean I want to sack Ole right now for drawing Vs Southampton. I'd rather let him finish the job be is doing, entice and sign players like Haaland, trippier and a CDM here to United, finish this rebuild with his type of players (because i like his type of players) - then call it a day when he isn't reaching expectations with a near perfect squad (I believe we are a single transfer window away from this).
Then we can see what a manager like Conte can do with players like Bruno, Haaland, Sancho, Rashford, even players like telles, trippier or Van De Beek.
I mean I feel like Ole is a season or window away from targeting a striker and aiming to trade Martial off like he has been trying with Lingard and got rid of alot of the other deadwood.
I just think we are getting a really good balance of the team for the first time since the Ronaldo Tevez era. I don't want that to stop, let it continue and target a new manager when our squad is absolutely class and fully deserves it. It's getting there.
Can we stop this?
Top teams do rely on great players. Don't act like this is only coming from Ole. Which is ridiculous statement.
Did you watch Chelsea against Arsenal? There you go, a clear style that won them the game. Both of their goals were a systematic approach. Don't kid yourself, teams like City, Chelsea and Liverpool rely on their system rather than individual players (although, they of course need great players too).
Absolutely not. Take out a big player from Liverpool and they'd still be a winning juggernaut like last season. Oh wait.
And don't even get me started on how much Pep had to struggle to make his system work for the below average bargain buy first XI he has at his disposal.
The horrible takes on this forum sometimes.
The thing is that top players are needed to play top quality football. There is a reason why there is a stronger correlation between player wages (quality of side) and where the team finishes than correlation between manager wages (or quality of manager however you want to define it) vs final position in the league table.
So, let's not go about he gets bailed by quality of players. We're having among the best records vs top 6 sides for example ever since Ole took charge - surely its too big a coincidence that our players just decided to be super motivated that got us the results against teams that would be having motivated players and a manager with a plan.
How about we look at Pool last season - defence got fecked and didnt seem strong. Doubt anyone said that Klopp's defensive structure is shit and they were too reliant on VVD.
I'm not saying manager does not make a difference. Of course it does and in games with little between them, its he who often decides the games. And in certain clubs like Leeds, I'd go a bit further and say that its the system that makes these guys look so good. But let's not kid ourselves into believing that teams aren't reliant on a set of players - be it Pep or Klopp or Dyche
Yeah, Shane Long could have outmuscled Mari. Brilliant example.
System and tactics are one thing, but top players win you trophies.
It will never stop, unfortunately.
For people in here, there are only 2 acceptable career paths as a manager: immediate success at the highest level(Pep and Zidane) or the long grind to the top(Fergie and Klopp). If you jump straight from the 3rd or 4th tier to the highest tier like Ole did, then it is only because of nepotism. It can't be because you are a capable coach. Nothing that happens behind the scenes matter. Professionals who make these appointments are not more knowledgeable than the average fan.
All of Ole's failures should be blamed on his mediocre CV before taking over United. All of his successes are thanks to individually brilliant players who ignore everything Ole says and go rogue.
Ole is just a glorified cheerleader and lifestyle coach.
What?
Those who win trophies have a great and clear system. There is a reason why Chelsea won CL with Tuchel and not Lampard, a superior manager with the same squad. United would win the league with Pep or Klopp, or even Tuchel (who we had the chance to get). We often win games thanks to having a far, far better squad than most teams. I can give so many examples where we won thanks to individual brilliance rather than a system last season, Fulham away is one example. With that said, of course, Ole has some tactics, he has some ideas and he does things the right way in some aspects. I'm just saying that it's a clear difference between United and the other top teams IMO.
City with a great and clear system didn't win CL last season. Mount and Havertz was brilliant in the final.
VVD signed for Liverpool and they suddenly won things.
RVP signed, we won the league.
Ronaldo clutch games for La Decima.
List goes on.
This pattern of play bullshit is just something used against Ole, just because he hasn't won anything.
Even when after Bruno was signed, the agenda was Bruno saving his job, not the other way around. (How Ole used Bruno to shine, nobody gives him any credits for) If Bruno is that great, why he didn't shine in Portugal side?
because they don't play to his strengths? Portugal uses a different system, a system that he won't flourish in. Bruno is a risk-taker number 10, and that's where he plays at United. Your post is so lazy, it's like tactics don't matter. "pattern of play bullshit". Jesus. Just read this thread, and try to watch a game. We are so, so bad in our build-up, regardless of who plays. That's pattern of play, that's a tactical setup. It's funny, United is not even close to winning big things despite splashing billions on transfers and having one of the best squads in the world, but it's nothing wrong with Ole!
This is what will ultimately end Ole's tenure because I cannot see us winning enough to justify the way we play. A change in coaching staff might change things.
If he fails to deliver trophies by the end of the season, he needs to go for me. Hell, if we are out of the CL groups or out of the title race by December, that'll be failure.
He's helped a lot in building a decent squad, but I'm not sure whether he can take us forward from here. No other club with our resources would give managers this amount of time to deliver.
Real Madrid and Chelsea model/philosophy of winning things now, every season has proven to be more successful than our model in the last decade. Sir Alex is not our manager anymore, and we need to be absolutely ruthless to win anything, with so much competition.
He's helped a lot in building a decent squad, but I'm not sure whether he can take us forward from here. No other club with our resources would give managers this amount of time to deliver.
Real Madrid and Chelsea model/philosophy of winning things now, every season has proven to be more successful than our model in the last decade. Sir Alex is not our manager anymore, and we need to be absolutely ruthless to win anything, with so much competition.
Exactly, but if you point that out you hate Ole and tactics are just bullshit. So naive.
Ole would be sacked already if he wasn't Ole. The board love him as he acts as a shield for them, fans a slower to vocally voice negativity around performances and results with a legend in charge.
A club of our stature should have moved him on at the end of last season, trophy less and losing a final to Villarreal, crazy that was deemed acceptable. Tell me one out of the below that would have continued with the same manager given our resources and ultimate results.
Chelsea, City, Bayern, Real, Barcelona, PSG, Juventus.
He's a dream manager for this board. He will keep us in top 4, where the CL money is and that's all they care about.
The clubs you mentioned above want one clear thing - to win. Our board, like Arsenal want to milk us as much as possible.
The gifs in that thread are so painful to watch. Two and half seasons, yet Ole can't coach us to play better against press.
How long did Potter need, one month? Then you just realize how light Ole takes at these things. He doesn't seem to think it is of any importance or he just isn't good enough, either way, we have a problem.
Managers do not get sacked because of a result in a final, irrespective of the opposition. Doubt any of the clubs you've mentioned have ever done that. They get sacked because of the performances in the league and sometimes in continental trophy.
And while we went out in CL, it was the group of death (admittedly we fecked up when we lost to Istanbul) and in the league we overachieved by a position, so there was no way he was getting sacked.
Chelsea didnt sack Lampard after he finished 4th because that's round about where they were expected to finish that season, they didnt sack Sarri for finishing 4th as well (he might have been had Juve not pursued him). And you can go on for every team. The thing is for each of these clubs, the pre-season expectation has been League at the minimum and maybe a run into latter rounds of CL. And that has been for a decade. For us, thanks to where we have been for the past 8 years, those expectations are unrealistic and hence he's survived
Tldr is basically - AWB is absolutely rubbish when we have the ball. Which of course we already know.
Put a brainless Fred on the same flank and it's a disaster. Add in Matic who cant move and it's a double disaster. Add in a forward who doesn't move to receive the ball in Martial and it's a triple disaster.
Well I don't care until he don't win this season. He signed his marquee signings in Varane and Sancho.
The trend is on upwards. He came close for trophies, this is the season he couldn't feck up, or else sack him.
I'm not pro Ole, but I do believe in stability, player growth and team chemistry. Why destroy that progress halfway?
I feel some will stop at nothing to absolve Solskjaer of any blame for our shortcomings on the pitch these last few seasons. It's almost a cult like obsession to see him succeed despite his obvious limitations. You can't be a real supporter of united for saying these things apparently
This! These clubs remain successful on the pitch while spending even less than united on transfers because they are ruthless. Chelsea is a good example of a club that has won several trophies in seasons where they underachieved until they brought someone else in. Pirlo was let go after a season at Juventus etc.
Or McTominay who can't pass or create for shit
Lesser teams with inferior players can do that. Although our midfield isn't the best, it's mostly down to tactics.
Thread is so active because of a 1-1 draw in just the second game of the season. I'm willing to wait and see how this season plays out. The objective is clear for me. The least we should be after is a title challenge. I don't care whether our squad is complete or not because we've spent enough money to have a squad that can compete
My original post referenced that very thing. If we are out of the title race or CL by Dec, or we end up with nothing again this year, he needs to go.Well I don't care until he don't win this season. He signed his marquee signings in Varane and Sancho.
The trend is on upwards. He came close for trophies, this is the season he couldn't feck up, or else sack him.
I'm not pro Ole, but I do believe in stability, player growth and team chemistry. Why destroy that progress halfway?
Out of curiosity, where does Klopp's spending sit if you take out the transfer value of Coutinho?Well I don't care until he don't win this season. He signed his marquee signings in Varane and Sancho.
The trend is on upwards. He came close for trophies, this is the season he couldn't feck up, or else sack him.
I'm not pro Ole, but I do believe in stability, player growth and team chemistry. Why destroy that progress halfway?
Yes because it's only the 1-1 draw which has people doubting his ability as a head coach. Think it may have more to do with the fact that the same issues that we've seen since he's joined were once again put on show, which is hardly inspiring, given the money he's spent and the time he's had now.
It's hard to say but true, our manager is a fraud.
We now have genuine talents in the team but he's not the man to bring it all together, I really wanted it to be him but it's not.
We now have genuine talents in the team but he's not the man to bring it all together, I really wanted it to be him but it's not.
hmm, Mike Phelan is the real manager??
I haven't seen that guy in our dugout in a while, but if that was a sarcastic response then OK
Zero excuses for him now 
Let’s get this title yeah lads!! Who’s with me.
Let’s get this title yeah lads!! Who’s with me.
Well he has given us the best transfer window in the history of Man United
Zero excuses for him now
Let’s get this title yeah lads!! Who’s with me.
Have 10 minutes off will you.No one know's what to expect right now, let's see how Ronaldo fits in first
He scares away good players, apparently.
Don't know what's happening here but all of a sudden we have some fecking team on our hands
Anyone being negative towards Ole can feck off.
We sign a midfielder and it all gel's, we're in fecking business in a big way
Ole's biggest fans will still say he hasn't been backed because he didn't sign a midfielder
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