Ole’s farewell interview

Halftrack said:
You've been going back and forth between threads posting :lol: and ridiculing people for holding a more positive view of Ole than you. You're obviously free to do that, but it makes you fecking tedious. There's really no need for it.
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There's no need for your post either but here we are.

As I said, as long as I'm long not breaking the forum rules, I am not doing anything wrong and hence, you can put me on your ignore list to save yourself the pain of reading my tedious posts.

I have close to 100 users on the ignore and the majority of them are people I didn't even interact with just because I found their posts annoying. I won't tell them their posts are annoying, I just ignore them and forget they exist. It's easy.

Nothing more to be said regarding this.
 
Zlatattack said:
When he took over the club the squad was rubbish, we couldn't kick a ball straight and confidence was shattered. When he left us.... the squad is great.
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And we still can't kick a ball straight and the confidence is still shattered, getting humiliated by 4 and 5 goals against Leicester, Liverpool and Watford.
 
el3mel said:
There's no need for your post either but here we are.

As I said, as long as I'm long not breaking the forum rules, I am not doing anything wrong and hence, you can put me on your ignore list to save yourself the pain of reading my tedious posts.

I have close to 100 users on the ignore and the majority of them are people I didn't even interact with just because I found their posts annoying. I won't tell them their posts are annoying, I just ignore them and forget they exist. It's easy.
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Seems you can't handle seeing differing opinions.
 
Zlatattack said:
When he took over the club the squad was rubbish, we couldn't kick a ball straight and confidence was shattered. When he left us.... the squad is great.
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We don’t know if the squad is great. Personally, I think that the defense and midfield is a similar mess to how it was back then (AWB is garbage, Maguire is at best, ok).

Also, give 430m pounds to any manager, and the squad will improve. It has to, by definition. The question is did the squad improve enough to justify all the money spent. And I think that the answer to that is unquestionably no. In any case, we will see if these players are going to be those that will send us back to glory.

Now instead of going into hypotheticals, let’s talk about results. By any metric, we are worse than when we were when he became manager. Less trophies during his spell, fewer point, lower in the table and more humiliating defeats. The ‘Ole improved us cause squad now is better’ is as true as the ‘nonsense about cultural reboot’ when he was here. Because he is likeable (to many) and because of his total lack of success, his defenders had to invent the cultural reboot, or improving the squad. Cause if there was real success based on facts, those things would have been mentioned, not hypotheticals of he built a good squad or nonsense on the mythical cultural reboot.

It is also a bit ironic to say that when he took over the squad couldn’t kick a ball straight when you consider that in his last 6 league matches, we lost 5 of them, scoring 6 and conceding 16. If it was bad then, now is atrocious. But he is a nice guy and a legend, so it is alright.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Well, I addressed that in one of my earlier posts:

"Club PR have played a blinder again. Instead of people questioning how the board came to give such a mediocre manager 2(!) contracts everyone is now acting like he was giving up his time for free, and you'd think he'd pulled the club out of its darkest time since Munich to read some of the revisionism (just as a reminder we finished 2nd just 6 months before he was appointed...)"

Basically it suits the club to create this environment of misty eyed nostalgia around what is actually just a sacking, because it stops any scrutiny over their own failures. My opinion.
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I'm in agreement with this - doesn't matter what Ole or they say it's too professional and done too quickly to not have been planned. He's been paid to do a job and couldn't do it... but they are getting what they want when they hired him. Us off their backs long enough as we cry tears of sentiment over what was yet another failed managerial era under the same jokers above leeching us commercially and putting as little effort and restructuring into the football side as possible.

They played a blinder when they gave him an undeserved contract after being caretaker when they saw how we reacted to winning games under him. They played another by having an interview for a sacking him, something no other club in the world would do. it makes us feel as fans even more special for that reason - which other club would treat a playing legend so well after he tried so hard? Only us of course! we are special!

It's amazing how much like 90s Liverpool we have become. And we have sleepwalked into it face first. One thing the board has proven competent at is playing us like a fiddle. Expect more nostalgic clips of goals scored by famous players including Ole on their twitter, insta & fb over the next few weeks while we continue to drift aimlessly.
 
After the dust has settled, from watching the video and getting quite emotional with Ole, I honestly have reached the conclusion that Ole would be a great manager to work for but I wouldn't want him managing my company.

He comes across too nice and wanting to be friends with everyone.
 
Revan said:
We don’t know if the squad is great. Personally, I think that the defense and midfield is a similar mess to how it was back then (AWB is garbage, Maguire is at best, ok).

Also, give 430m pounds to any manager, and the squad will improve. It has to, by definition. The question is did the squad improve enough to justify all the money spent. And I think that the answer to that is unquestionably no. In any case, we will see if these players are going to be those that will send us back to glory.

Now instead of going into hypotheticals, let’s talk about results. By any metric, we are worse than when we were when he became manager. Less trophies during his spell, fewer point, lower in the table and more humiliating defeats. The ‘Ole improved us cause squad now is better’ is as true as the ‘nonsense about cultural reboot’ when he was here. Because he is likeable (to many) and because of his total lack of success, his defenders had to invent the cultural reboot, or improving the squad. Cause if there was real success based on facts, those things would have been mentioned, not hypotheticals of he built a good squad or nonsense on the mythical cultural reboot.
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I think AWB is salvageable. Maguire is ok, Lindelöf is ok, Varane will hopefully be class when he gets a good run (early signs are good, it's shame he's been out so much) and Luke Shaw has proven how good he can be with the proper motivation. That said, I agree that their are question marks. I think the right manager can absolutely make a solid defense out of the players available.

We're better offensively in midfield, but defensively we're worse. Matic has gotten older and less useful, Herrera was never properly replace, McFred not upgraded. I think not signing a proper DM was Ole's biggest failing.

I think, overall, the squad is in a better place than it was when he came in, but too much has been invested in attack, and even though I think the defense is stronger, we paid over the odds for the improvement.
 
Zlatattack said:
When he took over the club the squad was rubbish, we couldn't kick a ball straight and confidence was shattered. When he left us.... the squad is great.
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The squad was rubbish because Woodward ditched Jose after he achieved 2nd. Credit to Ole for creating lot of positivity in the team, but the current team is as chaotic as it was when Jose left. There is no big difference, except that we backed Ole like crazy out of which he blew 80M on someone like Maguire.
 
Halftrack said:
I think AWB is salvageable. Maguire is ok, Lindelöf is ok, Varane will hopefully be class when he gets a good run (early signs are good, it's shame he's been out so much) and Luke Shaw has proven how good he can be with the proper motivation. That said, I agree that their are question marks. I think the right manager can absolutely make a solid defense out of the players available.

We're better offensively in midfield, but defensively we're worse. Matic has gotten older and less useful, Herrera was never properly replace, McFred not upgraded. I think not signing a proper DM was Ole's biggest failing.

I think, overall, the squad is in a better place than it was when he came in, but too much has been invested in attack, and even though I think the defense is stronger, we paid over the odds for the improvement.
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The squad is probably better, but how it cannot be after spending 430m on it? People forget that during Ole’s tenure we outspent every other club, including the oil ones in transfer fees, net spent and salary bill.

So yes, the squad is probably better. But then, give 430m to anyone to spend (doesn’t even need to have watched much football) and the squad will get better.

The question is: is the squad that much better? I don’t think it is. Did the fees justified the players we got? Of course not, I mean, we spent 150m on Maguire, AWB and Telles in defense, and only one of them is good enough to be in the bench for a team that aspires to win trophies. That is not money well spent. And finally, did the players improve under Ole? As far as I can see, they did not.

As I said, he spent 430m and 3 years to sent us sideways, if not backwards. But then, it is not a surprise. The signs were there for more than 2.5 years to anyone who didn’t refuse to watch.
 
golden_blunder said:
Even if he was not good enough for United you’d still renew the contract of a 27 year old and sell him after. He would have fetched 20m
Those saying he should have just been released aren’t living in reality
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From who? Haven't seen any links about him being wanted by other clubs, even when healthy.
 
TrueRed79 said:
A sacking interview? I'm a sentimental person, honestly. Just can't get onboard with this. Find the whole idea very awkward and unnecessary.
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Because Ole is a club legend and hence good PR. Also he likes to talk and talk :D
 
Tough watch. Hope he can have a nice long break before he moves on to whatever's next for him.
 
bugmat said:
I'm in agreement with this - doesn't matter what Ole or they say it's too professional and done too quickly to not have been planned. He's been paid to do a job and couldn't do it... but they are getting what they want when they hired him. Us off their backs long enough as we cry tears of sentiment over what was yet another failed managerial era under the same jokers above leeching us commercially and putting as little effort and restructuring into the football side as possible.

They played a blinder when they gave him an undeserved contract after being caretaker when they saw how we reacted to winning games under him. They played another by having an interview for a sacking him, something no other club in the world would do. it makes us feel as fans even more special for that reason - which other club would treat a playing legend so well after he tried so hard? Only us of course! we are special!

It's amazing how much like 90s Liverpool we have become. And we have sleepwalked into it face first. One thing the board has proven competent at is playing us like a fiddle. Expect more nostalgic clips of goals scored by famous players including Ole on their twitter, insta & fb over the next few weeks while we continue to drift aimlessly.
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Absolutely - especially the final para. In the immediate aftermath of Fergie retiring we made exactly the same mistakes that we made when Sir Matt retired, and then in the subsequent years we have become a carbon copy of Liverpool in the 90s and 00s...to not learn anything from those experiences is criminal really.
 
Black Adder said:
From who? Haven't seen any links about him being wanted by other clubs, even when healthy.
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Well that’s up to murtough to earn his salary. Plenty of PL sides and championship sides may have bitten. Norwich, Brentford, Burnley, Newcastle, sheff Utd etc
Supposedly 13 clubs enquired about his health in the summer so I don’t doubt he could have been sold at the time before his injury. He was England squad, you don’t just give them away

https://www.sportbible.com/football...ign-phil-jones-from-man-utd-20211108.amp.html

if that amount want him now, it should have been easy to sell an England defender before the injury
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
We're going around in circles here - it's absolutely fine for us to disagree you know?!

I get that I'm being cynical and suspicious, but that is based on what we all know about how reluctant Woodward was to pull the trigger on Ole - it is in his interests to take the heat off his own role in the shitshow of the last few months. It's also based on the club being well aware that they would rather fans around the world were watching a nostalgic farewell video from Ole rather than questioning why the hell he wasn't sacked before the international break when we all knew that a result like the Watford one was pretty likely, and now have a couple of must-win fixtures coming up with Michael Carrick at the helm.

Once again I am not trying to convince anybody of anything, but personally would not be at all surprised if as part of the severance agreement discussions it was suggested that some kind of statement was needed from Ole. I can also imagine that the PR team might realise that a video statement would be most powerful medium to use and put that to him. I can also imagine them suggesting that it would look better if everyone was briefed that this was Ole's idea - to ensure that nobody felt the club was forcing him into it...and that would also explain why he mentions it in the video. I have never worked for a football club but I know how these things have worked in other organisations that I've worked for. I also think it's unlikely that Ole - who must have felt like absolute shit at that point and probably just wanted to go home to his wife and kids - was genuinely thinking 'you know what, I think I'd like to make a video for the fans now!'

What you choose to believe is absolutely up to you, but you've spent an entire morning trying to tell me that my opinion is somehow wrong.
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I have no problem with disagreeing mate I thought was clear from the start. I disagree with most of what you've posted in this thread.

We can all have our own opinions I was simply pointing out that yours is not based on fact but belief. I'm not trying to change your opinion, I have opinions myself based on what I believe on certain subjects.
 
Revan said:
The squad is probably better, but how it cannot be after spending 430m on it? People forget that during Ole’s tenure we outspent every other club, including the oil ones in transfer fees, net spent and salary bill.

So yes, the squad is probably better. But then, give 430m to anyone to spend (doesn’t even need to have watched much football) and the squad will get better.

The question is: is the squad that much better? I don’t think it is. Did the fees justified the players we got? Of course not, I mean, we spent 150m on Maguire, AWB and Telles in defense, and only one of them is good enough to be in the bench for a team that aspires to win trophies. That is not money well spent. And finally, did the players improve under Ole? As far as I can see, they did not.

As I said, he spent 430m and 3 years to sent us sideways, if not backwards. But then, it is not a surprise. The signs were there for more than 2.5 years to anyone who didn’t refuse to watch.
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You believe that do you?

Between Ferguson retiring and Solskjaer taking over Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho spent close to £700m between them over a 5 year period. Was the 2018 squad better than the 2013 title winning squad?
 
stevoc said:
I have no problem with disagreeing mate I thought was clear from the start. I disagree with most of what you've posted in this thread.

We can all have our own opinions I was simply pointing out that yours is not based on fact but belief. I'm not trying to change your opinion, I have opinions myself based on what I believe on certain subjects.
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FFS, yours is not based on fact either ya dimwit. As I've politely tried to point out to you on numerous occasions. Yours is based on your belief that this was all Ole's idea. The difference is I'm not trying to tell you you are wrong. I posted an opinion which you have attempted to pull apart. My original post on the thread was not a response to anybody else's posts, just my own belief. Therein lies the difference.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
FFS, yours is not based on fact either ya dimwit. As I've politely tried to point out to you on numerous occasions. Yours is based on your belief that this was all Ole's idea. The difference is I'm not trying to tell you you are wrong. I posted an opinion which you have attempted to pull apart. My original post on the thread was not a response to anybody else's posts, just my own belief. Therein lies the difference.
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Comprehension isn't a strong point it seems. I was trying to be polite with basically an agree to disagree post. And yet you sling insults, well done.
 
stevoc said:
You believe that do you?

Between Ferguson retiring and Solskjaer taking over Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho spent close to £700m between them over a 5 year period. Was the 2018 squad better than the 2013 title winning squad?
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That’s a 5 year spell. Players age, believe it or not. In addition, different managers went for totally different types of players.

Here it happened within a short amount of time. His first signing happened less than 30 months ago.
 
Roane said:
After the dust has settled, from watching the video and getting quite emotional with Ole, I honestly have reached the conclusion that Ole would be a great manager to work for but I wouldn't want him managing my company.

He comes across too nice and wanting to be friends with everyone.
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This
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
FFS, yours is not based on fact either ya dimwit. As I've politely tried to point out to you on numerous occasions. Yours is based on your belief that this was all Ole's idea. The difference is I'm not trying to tell you you are wrong. I posted an opinion which you have attempted to pull apart. My original post on the thread was not a response to anybody else's posts, just my own belief. Therein lies the difference.
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Can you make your points without the insults please.
 
Revan said:
That’s a 5 year spell. Players age, believe it or not. In addition, different managers went for totally different types of players.

Here it happened within a short amount of time. His first signing happened less than 30 months ago.
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So £700+m in 5 years is ok but £400+m in 3 years isn't?

Did any of the players age during the last 3 years since Solskjaer took over?
 
stevoc said:
So £700+m in 5 years is ok but £400+m in 3 years isn't?

Did any of the players age during the last 3 years since Solskjaer took over?
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Matic, Young, Valencia and Mata. He signed a dozen players to replace them.

However, what is your point here? That we should be thankful for the squad being on paper marginally better, and on pitch, miles worse (to already a low baseline) after he spent 430m?
 
Proper weird video that. They made it completely clear he was sacked, no mutual agreement or anything like that, so why do a video that pretends it was all friendly.

After all is said and done he was a nice guy, players liked him, he knew how to motivate, but he was a rubbish football coach. No shame in that, but he couldn't see that he needed better help than Mr Shorts and Mr iPad sitting on the bench next him. I am certain he would still be here and be doing quite well had he realised that and brought proper coaching staff in to help him.
 
Rusholme Ruffian said:
Comprehension?! We've been debating all day and you still can't see that we both just have a differing opinion - you think yours is fact and mine is belief!
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One version has reputable sources stating the facts as they are presented.

One version is a conspiracy theory. If you're going to make things up and believe them, I guess this is less harmful than network chips in your bloodstream.
 
I don't understand why this has become a debate. I wanted Ole gone, even threw some insults at him on a few occasions and was elated when the news first broke out, but I really don't see the fuss if indeed the interview was his final wish and if reports are to be believed this seems to have been the case.

He wasn't just any post-Fergie manager. Like it or not, we're talking about the man who is responsible for one of greatest moments in our club's history here.
 
Its good to see there are no hard feelings between the club and Ole. It seems to be an amicable departure.

So much so that the club are probably considering him as interim manager.
 
Can’t believe some fans laughing or calling this pathetic.

think about it… he’s legend at the club and is mutually leaving. I’m sure he wanted to do this as a way of saying sorry to the fans. He tried his best and lives and breathes United.
I think it’s authentic and real, he’s trying to leave on a positive and owning it. He’s a man and authentic.
 
Roane said:
After the dust has settled, from watching the video and getting quite emotional with Ole, I honestly have reached the conclusion that Ole would be a great manager to work for but I wouldn't want him managing my company.

He comes across too nice and wanting to be friends with everyone.
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Hes too loyal to be people around him and he wants everyone to succeed even though they arent capable of succeeding. He wants the best for everyone, regardless of their ability. According to some reports, he even refused additional assistance from Man Utd because he defined McKenna and Carrick and the rest of the coaches as world class. He then, on a personal level, speaks very highly of them.
 
Revan said:
Matic, Young, Valencia and Mata. He signed a dozen players to replace them.

However, what is your point here? That we should be thankful for the squad being on paper marginally better, and on pitch, miles worse (to already a low baseline) after he spent 430m?
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My point is giving someone a few hundred million to spend on players, even someone who knows nothing about football as you claim wouldn't automatically lead to squad improvement. Highlighted by 3 experienced coaches spending £700m on the United squad and the quality of the squad probably declining year on year between 2013 and 2018.
 
Tom Cato said:
One version has reputable sources stating the facts as they are presented.

One version is a conspiracy theory. If you're going to make things up and believe them, I guess this is less harmful than network chips in your bloodstream.
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Still on the Ole crusade I see! ;-)

One version requires the individual to be unquestioning of a video released by the Public Relations dept of an organisation in a state of flux and scrambling to manage an incredibly poorly handled situation.

The other version is hardly a massive stretch considering it is exactly how PR depts (and severance packages) work.

Hope you are going to be so unfailing supportive of the next manager :-)
 
Just watching it. Touching stuff, ole is a red through and through, he loves the club and I love the guy for what he’s done for us as a player, he came in as a Manger and puta smile back on our faces - He was out of his depth asa coach to take us that extra step on to winning major titles so I’m glad he will be replaced as manager,

Hope he takes his £7m payout and enjoys his life.

all the pillock disrespecting him are not real reds or are just out of nappies and don’t remember him as a player.
 
Who even said the squad is better ? The only position the squad is better in, is the attack and we have +2 35 years old strikers whom we'll need to replace next 2 years.

AWB isn't better than Valencia at all, Maguire has been a walking disaster and Varane is ridiculously injury prone. The midfield is still the same names he inherited and most fans think they're shit.
 
stevoc said:
My point is giving someone a few hundred million to spend on players, even someone who knows nothing about football as you claim wouldn't automatically lead to squad improvement. Highlighted by 3 experienced coaches spending £700m on the United squad and the quality of the squad probably declining year on year between 2013 and 2018.
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The 2018 squad in paper was miles better than the 2013 one.

If you dissect the 2013 squad: Scholes retired, Giggs retired within a year, and within two years Vidic and Rio retired , Nani went to Portugal, Rafael was struggling in France, Fabio couldn’t make it in Championship, Buttner no idea what he did, Anderson went to loan that season in Fiorentina and couldn’t start, Cleverley was shipped within a year in Everton and failed there, Welbeck failed at Arsenal, Kagawa went back to Klopp who was fighting relegation but couldn’t start, Jones became perma-crock, Evans was shipped to Hull City. In pretty much every department - in paper - the 2018 squad was better.

On achievement, the 2013 squad was better . But then, on achievements, the squad Mourinho left was better than this one, until gets proven otherwise and this squad does something.
 
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